Very Bad.

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He looked solid early on. I'm going to guess fatigue is the issue.

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By early on, if you mean the first two plays he was in on I agree. I even said so in the game thread. But after that? Dog food. Woof.

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Short arms and appears mentally challenged. I hated the pick on draft day

He looks like the chubby kid who cries when the the other kids give him wet willies and pink bellies during third grade recess. Pansy. Might eventually blossom into a reliable backup guard.

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Yep. He's weak too. Borom is lite years better.

They were hiding him for a reason.

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That seems oddly specific.

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He certainly looked out of football shape. Maybe he gets back into it, maybe he never had it.

He looked like he was in eating bonbons all day while binge watching The Bachelor shape.

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I'm shocked a guy with a back injury wasn't pumping iron for the past four months and wasn't immediately ready to play in the NFL as a rookie.

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If he wasn't ready to play he shouldn't have been active. Put him on the practice squad until he is ready.

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He would be immediately scooped up by another team if they exposed him to the practice squad.

The choice was either to remain on IR for the entire season, getting zero reps even in practice or to put him on the roster so he could get some NFL work in advance of next year. Most of the daily observers said not to expect much right now.

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And Nagy/Pace have no time to mess around and they need their draft picks to perform. They were not going to keep him on the IR all season if there was a chance he might show some potential.

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There was no reason to keep him on IR if he was medically cleared. The season is lost so the only damage he could do to the future by being rostered is to get Fields killed.

His physical strength was never in question in any scouting. I wouldn't be too worried about it long term.

The skills to play LT were always a question to every team but the Bears.

Many have said this season that Borom's physical restructuring make them believe he is a future LT, which would allow Jenkins to be the RT every other scout thought he could be. I don't care about the positioning if they ultimately come out of this draft with two OT.

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NBC production team sure jinxed him... they run highlights of him doing a decent job in the first half and immediately after he went to shit.

Juan Castillo said Jenkins decorates a nice Christmas tree, so he has that going for him.

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Borom looks good. Hopefully he maintains his physical condition.

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This is just more indictments against Pace's judgement. I can't see how we're going to trust EIU boy to pick more linemen to protect Fields when his judgement with regards to these important building blocks has been average at best.

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He has said the current state is his normal and he was only bigger because Missouri wanted him that way.

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He'll adjust and be good. Borom was a steal. You guys are being a little harsh.

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He’s coming off surgery as a rookie that didn’t go thru any camps on the road being shoe horned into a position he’s never played before at the highest level of the sport.


Let’s give this one some time to breathe at least

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You can protect up to 4 players on the practice squad from being snagged by other teams. That would have been the correct move if they didn't believe he was ready.

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You don't know this to be true at all.
He's fine but has been struggling with bull-rushes recently.

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Borom looks to have the feet and arm length to maybe play LT, Jenkins could maybe play the right side, but will likely be a starter at either G or RT next year. The next GM/HC will have to go out and sign/draft the next starting C and possibly LT, Daniels and Whitehair are just replacement level guys at this point anyway, so may as well redo everything next year and start from scratch.

Heard Thayer give the same take I have over the years on the Bears Oline situation, you have to spend high round picks on guys that have the athletic ability and size to play in the NFL, late round guys and FA fill ins can hold a spot, but it you want a quality Oline you must invest early round picks. The Bears under Pace have chosen not to invest the draft capital necessary to actually build a team in many areas, but his frequent adventures picking jabroni WR's and TE's in the early rounds has severely impacted this teams offense to the point it needs to be completely reconstructed around Fields, Mooney, and Montgomery, and even those three are likely just above average.

I've always agreed with loading up with high round high quality linemen on both sides. You can't do anything without the horses up front. It doesn't matter how elite your skill players are. A great line makes everyone better. A shit line ends careers.

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I realize that my example will be from 55 years ago when the rules were different, but Art Shell and Gene Upshaw gave John Madden the opportunity to make tens of millions of dollars. A new GM should draft Fields a LT in round 2, a LG in round 3, let Borom and Jenkins sort out RT/RG, and go from there. Draft defensive depth in rounds 4-7.

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I think it’s possible the Bears may have 4 good linemen between Jenkins, Daniels, Whitehair, and Borom.. we need to see this talent under more competent circumstances tho. Game plan, play design, play calling, and tempo are all completely terrible with this group of coaches meaning the personnel could look vastly different and improved under better leadership. So, I’m not willing to write off certain players atm.


It’s funny sometimes watching this team and when and how they implement specific things like a 2 point stance Vs a 3 point stance (tipping their hand on Pass Vs Run).. constant empty backfields (again tipping their hand).. random use of things like the ‘Wildcat’ in situations that don’t make sense (again tipping their hand).. we could go on and on about this but the point is that it’s very hard (for me personally) to take hard stances on individual players and their actual value when they are almost never put in the best situations for success by the people in charge of that part of the equation. I’ve been in here bitching about the coaching and strategic approach to games under Nagy for years now at this point, hopefully there are some real changes after this year.


In short, I need to see some of this under a completely different (and hopefully competent) coaching staff before I really feel comfortable saying ‘yeah this guy is X vs Y’..

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Really odd listening to the local "football experts" attempts to puff up Nagy's offense early on in his tenure. Remember Bernstein in particular going on and on about how you really don't need good tackles in this offense because the ball is gone so quickly, huh? How many times has a Pace/Nagy era LT or RT completely whiffed on a block leading to a strip sack or sack at critical moments.

Then you had Hub and the rest of the goofs completely dismissing Olin when he pointed out that Daniels was way too small to be anything other than a replacement level guy at G, the only place he made sense was at C, he sucks at C, so they plug in an even smaller UDFA and give him the job without brining in competition. Pace has consistently filled the roster with undersized guys at C (Grasu/Daniels) when Nagy calls shotgun run/RPO which required the interior of the line to be able to at least stalemate the DT/NG, but with little guys in the interior the plays get blown up with regularity which then forces the QB to leak out of the pocket where your piss poor tackle also get beat.