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Nagy says that Boomer Esiason is full of shit.

That's a well settled fact.

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Nagy says that Boomer Esiason is full of shit.

That's a well settled fact.

Boomer Esiason can be full of shit but be accurate in stating Nagy has been informed he's being fired.

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Nagy says that Boomer Esiason is full of shit.

That's a well settled fact.

Boomer Esiason can be full of shit but be accurate in stating Nagy has been informed he's being fired.

Yes, a broken clock is right twice a day.

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Harbaugh's work at Michigan has been mediocre. Until this year, he was an automatic fade in any big game. He bumslayed to winning but irrelevant records and couldn't develop a QB to save his life.

His work before that was impressive.

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Harbaugh's work at Michigan has been mediocre. Until this year, he was an automatic fade in any big game. He bumslayed to winning but irrelevant records and couldn't develop a QB to save his life.

His work before that was impressive.




This evaluation means nothing to me. For starters, we already know what he can do in the NFL -he was fantastic in the bigs. We also know what he can do in terms of assemble a coaching staff around him at the next level, which is what so many people overlook as far as something that is important to being a coach at any level. Harbaugh is plugged into the coaching world like very few coaches that will be candidates for openings this year so..


..He should have little trouble putting together a good coaching staff after getting hired. This is especially important when it comes to the identity part of the team -Harbaugh is going to know not only what he’s going to want to do as far as the type of team he wants to build, but he’ll know how to go about doing it. We are coming out of 4 years of watching a coaching staff that couldn’t figure out how to become the type of offense it wanted to be. I’m not worried about that with a guy like Harbaugh.


Another problem I have with the college evaluation is recruiting. And recruiting your talent doesn’t matter at the NFL level because for the most part it doesn’t exist outside of the odd free agent -and money does most of the talking there. You can be a better coach than the guy across the field from you at the college level but it might not matter if the talent gap is too wide.


Give Jim Harbaugh an NFL team on Sunday and Kirby Smart an NFL team on the opposite sideline and see who wins that game -you’d be a fool to bet against Harbaugh because he’s the better coach between the two.

Lastly, Harbaugh hasn’t been a world beater at Michigan but he hasn’t been a disaster either. In any event there are just too many reasons I don’t care about Jim’s final success at the college level because I’ve already seen what he can do at the NFL level. They are different games, and there’s many reasons as to why -and Harbaughs coaching translates better to the NFL game.


Oh, and 1 more reason -his record at Michigan is far better than what he did at Stanford where he really only had 1 good season (his final season there). And if this is his final season with Michigan, this will also be his best season (his final season). So again, using what he’s doing at the college level doesn’t hold much water with me.

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Nagy says that Boomer Esiason is full of shit.

That's a well settled fact.



I like Boomer, I believe him..Nagy is a proven bullshitter and phony.

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Nagy says that Boomer Esiason is full of shit.

That's a well settled fact.



I like Boomer, I believe him..Nagy is a proven bullshitter and phony.

Yes he is but I don’t believe Nagy should have to tell the world he is fired before he is fired. Where the hell is management at? They should be the ones answering the questions. If in fact Nagy is gone after the season McCaskey or Pace, if he is still around needs to be lit up for how they handled this. Fucking amateurs.

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Nagy says that Boomer Esiason is full of shit.

That's a well settled fact.



I like Boomer, I believe him..Nagy is a proven bullshitter and phony.

Yes he is but I don’t believe Nagy should have to tell the world he is fired before he is fired. Where the hell is management at? They should be the ones answering the questions. If in fact Nagy is gone after the season McCaskey or Pace, if he is still around needs to be lit up for how they handled this. Fucking amateurs.


Agreed, it is a disfunctional disgrace. George or one of the other halfwits should have came out on thanksgiving and said " Matt is our coach and under contract, we will evaluate that at seasons end"

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312player wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Nagy says that Boomer Esiason is full of shit.

That's a well settled fact.



I like Boomer, I believe him..Nagy is a proven bullshitter and phony.

Yes he is but I don’t believe Nagy should have to tell the world he is fired before he is fired. Where the hell is management at? They should be the ones answering the questions. If in fact Nagy is gone after the season McCaskey or Pace, if he is still around needs to be lit up for how they handled this. Fucking amateurs.


Agreed, it is a disfunctional disgrace. George or one of the other halfwits should have came out on thanksgiving and said " Matt is our coach and under contract, we will evaluate that at seasons end"

Again....just wait until the season is over and they get to defend Ryan Pace still having a job.

They are highly underestimating just how bad the team is and how indifferent they're going to see their fanbase turn. Firing Nagy isn't going to cut it.

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Harbaugh's work at Michigan has been mediocre. Until this year, he was an automatic fade in any big game. He bumslayed to winning but irrelevant records and couldn't develop a QB to save his life.

His work before that was impressive.




This evaluation means nothing to me. For starters, we already know what he can do in the NFL -he was fantastic in the bigs. We also know what he can do in terms of assemble a coaching staff around him at the next level, which is what so many people overlook as far as something that is important to being a coach at any level. Harbaugh is plugged into the coaching world like very few coaches that will be candidates for openings this year so..


..He should have little trouble putting together a good coaching staff after getting hired. This is especially important when it comes to the identity part of the team -Harbaugh is going to know not only what he’s going to want to do as far as the type of team he wants to build, but he’ll know how to go about doing it. We are coming out of 4 years of watching a coaching staff that couldn’t figure out how to become the type of offense it wanted to be. I’m not worried about that with a guy like Harbaugh.


Another problem I have with the college evaluation is recruiting. And recruiting your talent doesn’t matter at the NFL level because for the most part it doesn’t exist outside of the odd free agent -and money does most of the talking there. You can be a better coach than the guy across the field from you at the college level but it might not matter if the talent gap is too wide.


Give Jim Harbaugh an NFL team on Sunday and Kirby Smart an NFL team on the opposite sideline and see who wins that game -you’d be a fool to bet against Harbaugh because he’s the better coach between the two.

Lastly, Harbaugh hasn’t been a world beater at Michigan but he hasn’t been a disaster either. In any event there are just too many reasons I don’t care about Jim’s final success at the college level because I’ve already seen what he can do at the NFL level. They are different games, and there’s many reasons as to why -and Harbaughs coaching translates better to the NFL game.


Oh, and 1 more reason -his record at Michigan is far better than what he did at Stanford where he really only had 1 good season (his final season there). And if this is his final season with Michigan, this will also be his best season (his final season). So again, using what he’s doing at the college level doesn’t hold much water with me.


Michigan can recruit with anyone in the country. He has underperformed with top talent.

Good at Stanford is more difficult than great at Michigan.

He will have last coached in the NFL 7 seasons ago. I loved his work with the 49ers but they were not upset to see him go.

I think he is a good coach and candidate.

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Michigan can recruit with anyone in the country. He has underperformed with top talent.

Good at Stanford is more difficult than great at Michigan.

He will have last coached in the NFL 7 seasons ago. I loved his work with the 49ers but they were not upset to see him go.

I think he is a good coach and candidate.
I don't think you are being fair in what he took over at Michigan, and the days of Michigan football putting anyone out there and winning 80% of your games is over. It's a historically dominant program that is in trouble based on how college sports and the population of the country is changing. He also couldn't beat Urban Meyer but most can't in college.

Harbaugh's biggest failure was at the qb position. He just couldn't find the right guy. That's a mark on him for sure but it's less of a concern in the NFL where you don't have to convince a 16 year old to show up to your school and hope that they become a great player.

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Again....just wait until the season is over and they get to defend Ryan Pace still having a job.

They are highly underestimating just how bad the team is and how indifferent they're going to see their fanbase turn. Firing Nagy isn't going to cut it.


I couldn't disagree more. The network checks will be in the mail, and the tickets are already sold. The money they'll miss from concessions, IF we don't fill the stadium, is nearly equivalent to Denni$ finding $100 in his coat pocket. Let's be honest, we may gripe about the roster and front office, but we're still going to watch the games.

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Again....just wait until the season is over and they get to defend Ryan Pace still having a job.

They are highly underestimating just how bad the team is and how indifferent they're going to see their fanbase turn. Firing Nagy isn't going to cut it.


I couldn't disagree more. The network checks will be in the mail, and the tickets are already sold. The money they'll miss from concessions, IF we don't fill the stadium, is nearly equivalent to Denni$ finding $100 in his coat pocket. Let's be honest, we may gripe about the roster and front office, but we're still going to watch the games.

It's happened before. It absolutely pained them to fire Dave Wannstedt, but they did it....they had to.

No, the McCaskeys aren't going to be missing any money but when the stadium gets overrun with opposing team jerseys (not just the Packers)...it's a bad look. That's what is coming. They're a laughing-stock....everywhere. Firing Nagy isn't going to be enough.

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Michigan can recruit with anyone in the country. He has underperformed with top talent.

Good at Stanford is more difficult than great at Michigan.

He will have last coached in the NFL 7 seasons ago. I loved his work with the 49ers but they were not upset to see him go.

I think he is a good coach and candidate.
I don't think you are being fair in what he took over at Michigan, and the days of Michigan football putting anyone out there and winning 80% of your games is over. It's a historically dominant program that is in trouble based on how college sports and the population of the country is changing. He also couldn't beat Urban Meyer but most can't in college.

Harbaugh's biggest failure was at the qb position. He just couldn't find the right guy. That's a mark on him for sure but it's less of a concern in the NFL where you don't have to convince a 16 year old to show up to your school and hope that they become a great player.


I don't hold it against him not beating OSU. He was consistently behind Penn State and Michigan State was in the rearview mirror coming up fast. He had what were considered good QB recruits/transfers. They never developed under him. It's that lack of development of a QB that concerns me, for obvious reasons.

On the good side, he did excellent work on QB development both at Stanford and 49ers

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Harbaugh's work at Michigan has been mediocre. Until this year, he was an automatic fade in any big game. He bumslayed to winning but irrelevant records and couldn't develop a QB to save his life.

His work before that was impressive.




This evaluation means nothing to me. For starters, we already know what he can do in the NFL -he was fantastic in the bigs. We also know what he can do in terms of assemble a coaching staff around him at the next level, which is what so many people overlook as far as something that is important to being a coach at any level. Harbaugh is plugged into the coaching world like very few coaches that will be candidates for openings this year so..


..He should have little trouble putting together a good coaching staff after getting hired. This is especially important when it comes to the identity part of the team -Harbaugh is going to know not only what he’s going to want to do as far as the type of team he wants to build, but he’ll know how to go about doing it. We are coming out of 4 years of watching a coaching staff that couldn’t figure out how to become the type of offense it wanted to be. I’m not worried about that with a guy like Harbaugh.


Another problem I have with the college evaluation is recruiting. And recruiting your talent doesn’t matter at the NFL level because for the most part it doesn’t exist outside of the odd free agent -and money does most of the talking there. You can be a better coach than the guy across the field from you at the college level but it might not matter if the talent gap is too wide.


Give Jim Harbaugh an NFL team on Sunday and Kirby Smart an NFL team on the opposite sideline and see who wins that game -you’d be a fool to bet against Harbaugh because he’s the better coach between the two.

Lastly, Harbaugh hasn’t been a world beater at Michigan but he hasn’t been a disaster either. In any event there are just too many reasons I don’t care about Jim’s final success at the college level because I’ve already seen what he can do at the NFL level. They are different games, and there’s many reasons as to why -and Harbaughs coaching translates better to the NFL game.


Oh, and 1 more reason -his record at Michigan is far better than what he did at Stanford where he really only had 1 good season (his final season there). And if this is his final season with Michigan, this will also be his best season (his final season). So again, using what he’s doing at the college level doesn’t hold much water with me.


Michigan can recruit with anyone in the country. He has underperformed with top talent.

Good at Stanford is more difficult than great at Michigan.

He will have last coached in the NFL 7 seasons ago. I loved his work with the 49ers but they were not upset to see him go.

I think he is a good coach and candidate.



1. Bullcrap. They don’t get the same talent as Georgia and Bama.. and these days they don’t get the same talent as Ohio State but that could change.


2. He was only good at Stanford for 1 year really, his last year there. It’s irrelevant to how he went on to succeed at the next level, but there you go.


3. lol @ this point, yeah the 9ers weren’t mad to see him go -but players were. And some of them hated the org so much they fucking retired early. Baalke is an idiot -and so was 49er ownership. Jim’s a bit of a madman too, but saying he was the problem there is fiction.

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I don't hold it against him not beating OSU. He was consistently behind Penn State and Michigan State was in the rearview mirror coming up fast. He had what were considered good QB recruits/transfers. They never developed under him. It's that lack of development of a QB that concerns me, for obvious reasons.

On the good side, he did excellent work on QB development both at Stanford and 49ers
Harbaugh is 61-24 at Michigan. Penn State the last 7 seasons is 60-28.

In conference, Harbaugh is 42-17. PSU is 40-22.

He's been really good at Michigan. He hasn't been great and that's the worst coaching job he has done in his career.

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I don't hold it against him not beating OSU. He was consistently behind Penn State and Michigan State was in the rearview mirror coming up fast. He had what were considered good QB recruits/transfers. They never developed under him. It's that lack of development of a QB that concerns me, for obvious reasons.

On the good side, he did excellent work on QB development both at Stanford and 49ers
Harbaugh is 61-24 at Michigan. Penn State the last 7 seasons is 60-28.

In conference, Harbaugh is 42-17. PSU is 40-22.

He's been really good at Michigan. He hasn't been great and that's the worst coaching job he has done in his career.


It also happens to be his most recent and longest tenured coaching stop, which requires some weighting. Good is a floor at Michigan.

Now, if you said that the 49ers is the most relevant experience, I'd agree with you on that. Alex Smith finally developed as a player under him and Kaepernick did his best work (and his best was very good) under Harbaugh.

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It also happens to be his most recent and longest tenured coaching stop, which requires some weighting. Good is a floor at Michigan.
The previous two coaches would disagree on the floor of Michigan. Harbaugh isn't even that far behind Carr and will probably catch him if he stays there as Michigan as the program does seem to have elevated to a level closer to OSU than it was.

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Now, if you said that the 49ers is the most relevant experience, I'd agree with you on that. Alex Smith finally developed as a player under him and Kaepernick did his best work (and his best was very good) under Harbaugh.
He's been really good everywhere he has been including Michigan. He hasn't exceeded expectations at Michigan but the expectations at Michigan don't really match up with the reality of what Michigan has been.

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he was an automatic fade in any big game. He bumslayed to winning but irrelevant records and couldn't develop a QB to save his life.
Outside of the first 8-10 weeks of the 2018 season, this is 100% Matt Nagy.

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I think you also have to note that Josh Johnson is still cashing checks as a QB in the NFL after being coached by Harbaugh at USD, which has never sent anyone to the NFL. It's probably more impressive than him developing Luck, who had all world talent and a former NFL player/coach as a father.

All of that good work in QB development prior to Michigan is really what concerns me most about his Michigan tenure.

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I think you also have to note that Josh Johnson is still cashing checks as a QB in the NFL after being coached by Harbaugh at USD, which has never sent anyone to the NFL. It's probably more impressive than him developing Luck, who had all world talent and a former NFL player/coach as a father.

All of that good work in QB development prior to Michigan is really what concerns me most about his Michigan tenure.

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NME is right that his talent at Michigan has not been the best. He wasn't quite the savior, but he had a big Hoke/RichRod hole to dig out of, and he played in the shadow of OSU's best run ever.

But he's won almost as many playoff games in his NFL career than the Bears have won in our lifetime. And who else will come to this backwards franchise? You snap him up if he is available.

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Harbaugh's work at Michigan has been mediocre. Until this year, he was an automatic fade in any big game. He bumslayed to winning but irrelevant records and couldn't develop a QB to save his life.

His work before that was impressive.


Did you expect Michigan to become a top 4 program in the country?

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Harbaugh has a 44- 19 record and has 5 playoff wins in 4 years in the nfl..lovie has 3 playoff wins and is a .500 coach in the nfl.. harbaugh has a 700 win percentage in college lovie .300.. just admit you hate harbaugh.

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Harbaugh's work at Michigan has been mediocre. Until this year, he was an automatic fade in any big game. He bumslayed to winning but irrelevant records and couldn't develop a QB to save his life.

His work before that was impressive.




This evaluation means nothing to me. For starters, we already know what he can do in the NFL -he was fantastic in the bigs. We also know what he can do in terms of assemble a coaching staff around him at the next level, which is what so many people overlook as far as something that is important to being a coach at any level. Harbaugh is plugged into the coaching world like very few coaches that will be candidates for openings this year so..


..He should have little trouble putting together a good coaching staff after getting hired. This is especially important when it comes to the identity part of the team -Harbaugh is going to know not only what he’s going to want to do as far as the type of team he wants to build, but he’ll know how to go about doing it. We are coming out of 4 years of watching a coaching staff that couldn’t figure out how to become the type of offense it wanted to be. I’m not worried about that with a guy like Harbaugh.


Another problem I have with the college evaluation is recruiting. And recruiting your talent doesn’t matter at the NFL level because for the most part it doesn’t exist outside of the odd free agent -and money does most of the talking there. You can be a better coach than the guy across the field from you at the college level but it might not matter if the talent gap is too wide.


Give Jim Harbaugh an NFL team on Sunday and Kirby Smart an NFL team on the opposite sideline and see who wins that game -you’d be a fool to bet against Harbaugh because he’s the better coach between the two.

Lastly, Harbaugh hasn’t been a world beater at Michigan but he hasn’t been a disaster either. In any event there are just too many reasons I don’t care about Jim’s final success at the college level because I’ve already seen what he can do at the NFL level. They are different games, and there’s many reasons as to why -and Harbaughs coaching translates better to the NFL game.


Oh, and 1 more reason -his record at Michigan is far better than what he did at Stanford where he really only had 1 good season (his final season there). And if this is his final season with Michigan, this will also be his best season (his final season). So again, using what he’s doing at the college level doesn’t hold much water with me.


Michigan can recruit with anyone in the country. He has underperformed with top talent.

Good at Stanford is more difficult than great at Michigan.

He will have last coached in the NFL 7 seasons ago. I loved his work with the 49ers but they were not upset to see him go.

I think he is a good coach and candidate.



1. Bullcrap. They don’t get the same talent as Georgia and Bama.. and these days they don’t get the same talent as Ohio State but that could change.


2. He was only good at Stanford for 1 year really, his last year there. It’s irrelevant to how he went on to succeed at the next level, but there you go.


3. lol @ this point, yeah the 9ers weren’t mad to see him go -but players were. And some of them hated the org so much they fucking retired early. Baalke is an idiot -and so was 49er ownership. Jim’s a bit of a madman too, but saying he was the problem there is fiction.

4. Agreed.


York didn't like the fact that Harbaugh had no patience for his idiotic meddling in team activities.

They had their stoolie feeding them info on the side.

Balke and York replaced Harbaugh with that stoolie, Jim Tomsula.

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Harbaugh has a 44- 19 record and has 5 playoff wins in 4 years in the nfl..lovie has 3 playoff wins and is a .500 coach in the nfl.. harbaugh has a 700 win percentage in college lovie .300.. just admit you hate harbaugh.


Why would I admit something that wasn't true and is easily disputed by posts on this page alone?

Lovie was a very good coach for the Bears. If you said the next coach, whoever it is, would have identical production, I'd take it.

Your post is a typically jumbled mess that I'm not going to take the time to unknot.

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312player wrote:
Harbaugh has a 44- 19 record and has 5 playoff wins in 4 years in the nfl..lovie has 3 playoff wins and is a .500 coach in the nfl.. harbaugh has a 700 win percentage in college lovie .300.. just admit you hate harbaugh.


Why would I admit something that wasn't true and is easily disputed by posts on this page alone?

Lovie was a very good coach for the Bears. If you said the next coach, whoever it is, would have identical production, I'd take it.

Your post is a typically jumbled mess that I'm not going to take the time to unknot.



Youve stated multiple times how great Lovie was..Harbaugh is a huge upgrade.

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It doesnt matter, Harbaugh is too much of an alpha male for the dunces at Halas hall to hire.

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Lovie was a very good coach for the Bears. If you said the next coach, whoever it is, would have identical production, I'd take it.


In four of Lovie's nine seasons with the Bears, the team was 8-8 or worse. He won a total of three playoff games during his tenure. That's good enough for you?

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