A lot of these Bear fans have stockholm syndrome, bar is very low..sad

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I don't really think his first season you can hold against him.

3 division titles including a Super Bowl over 9 years would be considered a pretty good run by all but a handful of teams in the NFL. For another handful of teams, that kind of run would their best in franchise history and/or the Super Bowl era.

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Three trips to the playoffs in nine seasons is disappointing, especially given that Lovie botched a very winnable Super Bowl.

The fact that so many Bears fans now look upon Lovie's tenure as "the good old days" only underscores how much farther the team has fallen since he was rightly fired.

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He wasn't fired and he rebuilt a broken franchise. He wasn't retained after his team finished 10-6. I believe we've accomplished a similar record once in the last 10 years.

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Sounds about right

WGN should really have sent OB there one day this year to speak with George. Just announce it one Sunday, that Tuesday he's getting driven by limo to Halas Hall and expects that George will carve out an hour from his busy schedule to sit down one on one, nobody else in the room, on the record.

George would never have gone for it, but how do you refuse one of the last living members of the 1963 Championship team?

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OK, he wasn't "fired," he was simply prevented from returning to the position he wanted to continue holding. Congratulations on drawing a distinction without noting a substantive difference.

Your last sentence only validates my point about the depths to which the franchise has sunk, which is the real explanation for the Lovie nostalgia--not his excellence as a coach.

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Three DIVISION TITLES in 9 seasons. Packers, Patriots, Giants, Seahawks....there's only a handful of teams that have done this recently.

Yes Lovie botched the Super Bowl, but he wasn't a bad coach. His tenure consisted of some pretty good players, and never did we have the soap operas that we have had since. I wish he won a Super Bowl, but that still doesn't mean we should look back on history here and shit all over it.

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I don't disagree with your conclusion. I thought that he was a solid coach, but it was probably time for him to go. I didn't believe that at the time.

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He was a great coach but it was a combination of Cutler being a coach killer and the league passing him and his defense by.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Right. Moving on from Lovie wasn't the wrong move. Hiring Trestman, Emery, and subsequently extending Cutler is what has doomed the Bears since.

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He was a great proponent of the Cover 2 defense and an effective personnel manager. Once the league adjusted to his defense, the team steadily declined because he lacked the football acumen to revise his defensive philosophy and lead the development of a successful offense.

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I’m not worried about this either -I’m thinking big picture here. The smart move isn’t going out looking for an HC that can fix Justin Fields, it’s finding a coach that can fix the team. Obviously I’d like to see Justin develop but if you grab a coach that can work on everything you automatically have a better chance at developing that 1 thing. I’d be willing to bet if the Bears sat Harbaugh down and asked him: ‘how to we fix this?’ Harbaughs reply is ‘here’s what I’m going to do, and here’s who I’m going to bring in to help me do it’.


I can’t think of too many -if any- other candidates out there that can not only sit down and tell you that stuff, but you know it’s not bullshit just to land a job. You know Harbaugh knows what he knows, and who he knows.


Btw, I don’t want this to seem like Harbaugh is my only choice, I do like some other candidates (McDaniels is interesting too).. but Harbaugh is my #1 choice. He checks every logical box for projected success. Plus a few bonus boxes that are mostly meaningless like.. former Bear, high energy guy that will most likely be entertaining..

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

When he fired Rivera the D sucked, his D is fine against scrub qbs..he was 13 -42 against teams over .500

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Can’t believe TM has me on ignore, sad.

Sorry, KD!

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Nor should we look back on history here and exaggerate the accomplishments of a guy who was just a little above average.

Edit: Also, the Saints, KC and Pittsburgh have won three division titles in short time frames recently. And that's just off the top of my head. The accomplishment isn't as rare or as significant as you suggest.

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All 3 of those coaches are extremely well regarded though.

Lovie would be on the Bears’ Mount Rushmore of coaches*. He’s the best they’ve had in at least a generation.

*This would not be a good Mount Rushmore.

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Somehow I don't think winning three division titles in nine seasons is the crowning achievement for any of them.

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Maybe a Mound Rushmore.

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As I stated, there is a chunk of teams in the NFL (probably 1/3 maybe, close to 1/2) where 3 division titles including a SB Appearance in 8 years would be their best in history and/or the Super Bowl era.

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So what?

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Somehow their crowning achievements had a lot to do with having Big Ben, Mahomes, and Brees at QB and not Rex Grossman.

So what are you arguing exactly?

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Why does everything have to be an argument? Lovie probably wins XLI with any of those 3 QBs starting and the other 3 coaches probably lose their SBs with Rex starting, maybe Tomlin still wins against the Seahawks in 2006 but not Arizona in 2009 with Rex. It's certainly possible all 3 of them could have won if they were the Bears coach instead of Lovie in 2007 too. All hypotheticals so who cares though. Lovie was a good coach and they probably let him go at the right time, but unless you're an all-time great like Belichik having bad QBs catch up with you eventually. Even then with noted bad, but all time best, Bears QB Jay Cutler he was 8 games over .500 in his 4 years.

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Philly and Indy too. They actually won a ring as well

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Including a Super Bowl?

Thats amusing

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