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Louis Riddick is campaigning hard for the job. Sometimes when you campaign, you get elected. I would pass on him. The Morocco guy is intriguing. Unlike Pace, he can point to 4 stops where the team had success drafting players while he was working there.


It's sad that you've unwittingly allowed the McCaskey family to lower your standards so much that you'd be satisfied with the Colts' "Guy Who Runs the PowerPoint During Draft Prep" instead of, say, an accomplished executive with a demonstrated history of building teams with sustained success.

Since when did Chicago become the place to go if you're on the periphery of some good team whose most likely good because of someone you may have run into during a staff meeting?

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Was Riddick thought to be a good scout and personnel guy when he was employed by the Redskins and Eagles?


he rose from sub vp at each so he must have been doing something right

I didn't know as much about his executive chops, just thinking he was a talking head. I'm intrigued.

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Haugh had a wrong reading of McCaskey saying he was uncomfortable with Nagy asking him a football question about starting Fields. Haugh said it indicates Nagy was "broken" or whatever. I think it underscores how Nagy knew he had to make ownership feel involved, feel included, feel special. A proper org wouldn't make a coach feel that way. A real coach would never think to ask a non football guy's opinion. Nagy understands bear culture just fine.

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Haugh had a wrong reading of McCaskey saying he was uncomfortable with Nagy asking him a football question about starting Fields. Haugh said it indicates Nagy was "broken" or whatever. I think it underscores how Nagy knew he had to make ownership feel involved, feel included, feel special. A proper org wouldn't make a coach feel that way. A real coach would never think to ask a non football guy's opinion. Nagy understands bear culture just fine.


Hopefully someone will follow up with Hub on George essentially calling him a liar for reporting the mandate to make Fields the starter came down from George.

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If George is so unqualified in his football knowledge that he needs a consultant to hire a coach, why would he feel sufficiently qualified to pick the starting QB

Honestly, at 65 George should be looking to retire. Who is the next Mc Caskey up?

One thing that crossed my mind yesterday, could they have been rolling out their DEI officer at yesterday's press conference as the heir apparent to the presidency? The Mc Claskeys couldn't be that big of cucks, to own the team but give away the presidency, could they?

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Haugh had a wrong reading of McCaskey saying he was uncomfortable with Nagy asking him a football question about starting Fields. Haugh said it indicates Nagy was "broken" or whatever. I think it underscores how Nagy knew he had to make ownership feel involved, feel included, feel special. A proper org wouldn't make a coach feel that way. A real coach would never think to ask a non football guy's opinion. Nagy understands bear culture just fine.


I thought the same thing that you did. I was also fairly certain that he was completely lying about that. After listening to sports radio and national media, HE suggested that Fields should start and Nagy followed orders.

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If George is so unqualified in his football knowledge that he needs a consultant to hire a coach, why would he feel sufficiently qualified to pick the starting QB

Honestly, at 65 George should be looking to retire. Who is the next Mc Caskey up?

One thing that crossed my mind yesterday, could they have been rolling out their DEI officer at yesterday's press conference as the heir apparent to the presidency? The Mc Claskeys couldn't be that big of cucks, to own the team but give away the presidency, could they?


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Haugh had a wrong reading of McCaskey saying he was uncomfortable with Nagy asking him a football question about starting Fields. Haugh said it indicates Nagy was "broken" or whatever. I think it underscores how Nagy knew he had to make ownership feel involved, feel included, feel special. A proper org wouldn't make a coach feel that way. A real coach would never think to ask a non football guy's opinion. Nagy understands bear culture just fine.


I thought the same thing that you did. I was also fairly certain that he was completely lying about that. After listening to sports radio and national media, HE suggested that Fields should start and Nagy followed orders.


There's absolutely no way Nagy wanted Fields to start at all this season. McCaskey was definitely lying.

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Louis Riddick is campaigning hard for the job. Sometimes when you campaign, you get elected. I would pass on him. The Morocco guy is intriguing. Unlike Pace, he can point to 4 stops where the team had success drafting players while he was working there.


It's sad that you've unwittingly allowed the McCaskey family to lower your standards so much that you'd be satisfied with the Colts' "Guy Who Runs the PowerPoint During Draft Prep" instead of, say, an accomplished executive with a demonstrated history of building teams with sustained success.

Since when did Chicago become the place to go if you're on the periphery of some good team whose most likely good because of someone you may have run into during a staff meeting?


I think that you are viewing this wrong my friend. Working in 4 or 5 scouting departments/front offices that had success drafting players is unique. It gives him a perspective that most first time GM's don't have.

Every great executive started somewhere. Why can't the Bears get the young guy with fresh ideas that has paid his dues?

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Louis Riddick is campaigning hard for the job. Sometimes when you campaign, you get elected. I would pass on him. The Morocco guy is intriguing. Unlike Pace, he can point to 4 stops where the team had success drafting players while he was working there.


It's sad that you've unwittingly allowed the McCaskey family to lower your standards so much that you'd be satisfied with the Colts' "Guy Who Runs the PowerPoint During Draft Prep" instead of, say, an accomplished executive with a demonstrated history of building teams with sustained success.

Since when did Chicago become the place to go if you're on the periphery of some good team whose most likely good because of someone you may have run into during a staff meeting?


I think that you are viewing this wrong my friend. Working in 4 or 5 scouting departments/front offices that had success drafting players is unique. It gives him a perspective that most first time GM's don't have.

Every great executive started somewhere. Why can't the Bears get the young guy with fresh ideas that has paid his dues?

Finding the right GM is easier said than done. I've gone through most front offices and the list of candidates.....it's really not easy to come up with a strong candidate or tree. The Belichik tree is well documented. I don't think the Ozzie Newsome tree is all the attractive current day.

I'm not impressed with Rick Smith's resume...no thanks. Quite honestly....I've come around to Jim Harbaugh and whoever he wants as GM may just be the safest bet.

Riddick looks worth talking too, but not sure if I'd be sold on him. Interestingly enough, one branch from the Polian tree still out there is the GM of the Chargers. They certainly identified something good in Justin Herbert, but overall Chargers records from the last 10-15 years isn't that impressive. How much of that is the GM or how much is it idiots by the last name of Spanos? who knows.

What we don know is this formula of bringing in a washed up executive hasn't worked for the Bears. Ernie Acorsi, Bill Polian...whatever. I'm convinced they also talked to Tony Dungy, which doesn't impress me either.

I guess all I really want is to make sure they get someone who knows how to draft. That has to be criteria #1.

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Haugh had a wrong reading of McCaskey saying he was uncomfortable with Nagy asking him a football question about starting Fields. Haugh said it indicates Nagy was "broken" or whatever. I think it underscores how Nagy knew he had to make ownership feel involved, feel included, feel special. A proper org wouldn't make a coach feel that way. A real coach would never think to ask a non football guy's opinion. Nagy understands bear culture just fine.



It speaks to a need to be liked by Nagy, not to an org issue. McCaskey even said he wasn't comfortable with Nagy feeling the need to ask him.

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Louis Riddick is campaigning hard for the job. Sometimes when you campaign, you get elected. I would pass on him. The Morocco guy is intriguing. Unlike Pace, he can point to 4 stops where the team had success drafting players while he was working there.


It's sad that you've unwittingly allowed the McCaskey family to lower your standards so much that you'd be satisfied with the Colts' "Guy Who Runs the PowerPoint During Draft Prep" instead of, say, an accomplished executive with a demonstrated history of building teams with sustained success.

Since when did Chicago become the place to go if you're on the periphery of some good team whose most likely good because of someone you may have run into during a staff meeting?


I think that you are viewing this wrong my friend. Working in 4 or 5 scouting departments/front offices that had success drafting players is unique. It gives him a perspective that most first time GM's don't have.

Every great executive started somewhere. Why can't the Bears get the young guy with fresh ideas that has paid his dues?



Fair enough, but still. This supposed "major market" city should command the best, not some first-timer.

I might be intrigued by candidates who've managed to succeed without a HOF/Pro Bowl-type QB. I am weary of guys living off the success of Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, Mahomes, etc., though I get how that can be unreasonable since you have to surround those QBs with good players to capitalize on their greatness.

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Was Riddick thought to be a good scout and personnel guy when he was employed by the Redskins and Eagles?


he rose from sub vp at each so he must have been doing something right

I didn't know as much about his executive chops, just thinking he was a talking head. I'm intrigued.


Didn't both the Eagles and Redskins get worse after his promotions?

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Was Riddick thought to be a good scout and personnel guy when he was employed by the Redskins and Eagles?


he rose from sub vp at each so he must have been doing something right

I didn't know as much about his executive chops, just thinking he was a talking head. I'm intrigued.


Didn't both the Eagles and Redskins get worse after his promotions?

I think we can just not even consider Washington.....good God they've sucked forever...that goes deeper than Riddick.
Riddick wasn't the GM of the Eagles. He worked under Howie Roseman and I believe during those years in Philly, the head coaches (Reid, Chip Kelly) all had final say over personnel.

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Was Riddick thought to be a good scout and personnel guy when he was employed by the Redskins and Eagles?


he rose from sub vp at each so he must have been doing something right

I didn't know as much about his executive chops, just thinking he was a talking head. I'm intrigued.


Didn't both the Eagles and Redskins get worse after his promotions?

I think we can just not even consider Washington.....good God they've sucked forever...that goes deeper than Riddick.
Riddick wasn't the GM of the Eagles. He worked under Howie Roseman and I believe during those years in Philly, the head coaches (Reid, Chip Kelly) all had final say over personnel.


I know he wasn't the GM, but his promotions seem to have coincided with the decline of two teams.

That point aside, I've never been impressed with him as a TV analyst.

Also, why haven't other teams hired him in the decade or so he's been out of football?

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Louis Riddick is campaigning hard for the job. Sometimes when you campaign, you get elected. I would pass on him. The Morocco guy is intriguing. Unlike Pace, he can point to 4 stops where the team had success drafting players while he was working there.


It's sad that you've unwittingly allowed the McCaskey family to lower your standards so much that you'd be satisfied with the Colts' "Guy Who Runs the PowerPoint During Draft Prep" instead of, say, an accomplished executive with a demonstrated history of building teams with sustained success.

Since when did Chicago become the place to go if you're on the periphery of some good team whose most likely good because of someone you may have run into during a staff meeting?


I think that you are viewing this wrong my friend. Working in 4 or 5 scouting departments/front offices that had success drafting players is unique. It gives him a perspective that most first time GM's don't have.

Every great executive started somewhere. Why can't the Bears get the young guy with fresh ideas that has paid his dues?



Fair enough, but still. This supposed "major market" city should command the best, not some first-timer.

I might be intrigued by candidates who've managed to succeed without a HOF/Pro Bowl-type QB. I am weary of guys living off the success of Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, Mahomes, etc., though I get how that can be unreasonable since you have to surround those QBs with good players to capitalize on their greatness.



Best records since 2000 (https://champsorchumps.us/records/most- ... since-2000)

Pats 72% win percentage
Pitt 64%
GB* 63%
Colts 61%
Ravens 59%
NO 57%
Eagles 57%
SEA 57%
Denver 55%
KC 54%




Bears 48% (16th overall)

*considerable help from questionable officiating

Let's say you attribute the success of NO, GB, NE, Indy, Den, and SEA to the QBs. That leaves Baltimore, Philly and pre-Mahomes KC as teams who've experienced success without All-Pro/HOF-type QBs. I know BLT got a bounce recently from Lamar, but even before that they were competitive with Flacco. Philly probably gets a bump from the McNabb years.

I think that kind of success speaks volumes. Not to downgrade folks who found good or lucked into good QBs, but still. Pretty impressive to win without a transcendent talent at QB.

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Louis Riddick is campaigning hard for the job. Sometimes when you campaign, you get elected. I would pass on him. The Morocco guy is intriguing. Unlike Pace, he can point to 4 stops where the team had success drafting players while he was working there.


It's sad that you've unwittingly allowed the McCaskey family to lower your standards so much that you'd be satisfied with the Colts' "Guy Who Runs the PowerPoint During Draft Prep" instead of, say, an accomplished executive with a demonstrated history of building teams with sustained success.

Since when did Chicago become the place to go if you're on the periphery of some good team whose most likely good because of someone you may have run into during a staff meeting?


I think that you are viewing this wrong my friend. Working in 4 or 5 scouting departments/front offices that had success drafting players is unique. It gives him a perspective that most first time GM's don't have.

Every great executive started somewhere. Why can't the Bears get the young guy with fresh ideas that has paid his dues?



Fair enough, but still. This supposed "major market" city should command the best, not some first-timer.

I might be intrigued by candidates who've managed to succeed without a HOF/Pro Bowl-type QB. I am weary of guys living off the success of Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, Mahomes, etc., though I get how that can be unreasonable since you have to surround those QBs with good players to capitalize on their greatness.


So you are saying that you prefer personnel guys who have failed to draft well at the most important position in football over those who have drafted well at that position?

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Louis Riddick is campaigning hard for the job. Sometimes when you campaign, you get elected. I would pass on him. The Morocco guy is intriguing. Unlike Pace, he can point to 4 stops where the team had success drafting players while he was working there.


It's sad that you've unwittingly allowed the McCaskey family to lower your standards so much that you'd be satisfied with the Colts' "Guy Who Runs the PowerPoint During Draft Prep" instead of, say, an accomplished executive with a demonstrated history of building teams with sustained success.

Since when did Chicago become the place to go if you're on the periphery of some good team whose most likely good because of someone you may have run into during a staff meeting?


I think that you are viewing this wrong my friend. Working in 4 or 5 scouting departments/front offices that had success drafting players is unique. It gives him a perspective that most first time GM's don't have.

Every great executive started somewhere. Why can't the Bears get the young guy with fresh ideas that has paid his dues?



Fair enough, but still. This supposed "major market" city should command the best, not some first-timer.

I might be intrigued by candidates who've managed to succeed without a HOF/Pro Bowl-type QB. I am weary of guys living off the success of Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, Mahomes, etc., though I get how that can be unreasonable since you have to surround those QBs with good players to capitalize on their greatness.


So you are saying that you prefer personnel guys who have failed to draft well at the most important position in football over those who have drafted well at that position?



Others have said this better than I can, but there is also an element of luck here, no? For example, Mahomes and Watson fall to KC and Houston respectively at #10 and #12. They get credit for the selection but there's some luck involved here in that the 9 and 11 teams before KC and Houston elected not to grab either one of them. I'm hesitant to credit KC 100% with grabbing Mahomes when, through no fault of thier own, they also benefitted from the 9 teams before them not selecting Mahomes when they had a chance to.

There's also the class as well. Let's just assume the class of 2021 (Fields, Wilson, Lawrence, Lance, and Jones) end up being stars, and the 2022 class ends up being bad, as projected. The Lions pick #2 in 2022, which is a bad class. Had they picked #2 just one year prior they would have had a chance at Fields, Jones, Wilson or Lance. It reminds me of the Bulls picking Tyrus Thomas #2 in 2006; KD would have been available that year had the NBA not raised the age limit just a year prior. That's why KD spent 2006 in college rather than entering the draft. In 2007, KD goes #2. Would the Bulls have had a chance at KD in 2006 if not for the age rule thing? Maybe, but there's some measure of bad luck here in that KD wasn't in the class the Bulls had the #2 pick for.

So, while I don't have a problem in saying there's some skills you need to identify QBs, and perhaps identify QBs you want to avoid in the draft, there's also some luck. Therefore, I can't say the sole problem with Denver, BLT (pre-Lamar), KC pre-Mahomes, etc., is that they are just bad at drafting QBs.

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Louis Riddick is campaigning hard for the job. Sometimes when you campaign, you get elected. I would pass on him. The Morocco guy is intriguing. Unlike Pace, he can point to 4 stops where the team had success drafting players while he was working there.


It's sad that you've unwittingly allowed the McCaskey family to lower your standards so much that you'd be satisfied with the Colts' "Guy Who Runs the PowerPoint During Draft Prep" instead of, say, an accomplished executive with a demonstrated history of building teams with sustained success.

Since when did Chicago become the place to go if you're on the periphery of some good team whose most likely good because of someone you may have run into during a staff meeting?


I think that you are viewing this wrong my friend. Working in 4 or 5 scouting departments/front offices that had success drafting players is unique. It gives him a perspective that most first time GM's don't have.

Every great executive started somewhere. Why can't the Bears get the young guy with fresh ideas that has paid his dues?



Fair enough, but still. This supposed "major market" city should command the best, not some first-timer.

I might be intrigued by candidates who've managed to succeed without a HOF/Pro Bowl-type QB. I am weary of guys living off the success of Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, Mahomes, etc., though I get how that can be unreasonable since you have to surround those QBs with good players to capitalize on their greatness.


So you are saying that you prefer personnel guys who have failed to draft well at the most important position in football over those who have drafted well at that position?



Others have said this better than I can, but there is also an element of luck here, no? For example, Mahomes and Watson fall to KC and Houston respectively at #10 and #12. They get credit for the selection but there's some luck involved here in that the 9 and 11 teams before KC and Houston elected not to grab either one of them. I'm hesitant to credit KC 100% with grabbing Mahomes when, through no fault of thier own, they also benefitted from the 9 teams before them not selecting Mahomes when they had a chance to.

There's also the class as well. Let's just assume the class of 2021 (Fields, Wilson, Lawrence, Lance, and Jones) end up being stars, and the 2022 class ends up being bad, as projected. The Lions pick #2 in 2022, which is a bad class. Had they picked #2 just one year prior they would have had a chance at Fields, Jones, Wilson or Lance. It reminds me of the Bulls picking Tyrus Thomas #2 in 2006; KD would have been available that year had the NBA not raised the age limit just a year prior. That's why KD spent 2006 in college rather than entering the draft. In 2007, KD goes #2. Would the Bulls have had a chance at KD in 2006 if not for the age rule thing? Maybe, but there's some measure of bad luck here in that KD wasn't in the class the Bulls had the #2 pick for.

So, while I don't have a problem in saying there's some skills you need to identify QBs, and perhaps identify QBs you want to avoid in the draft, there's also some luck. Therefore, I can't say the sole problem with Denver, BLT (pre-Lamar), KC pre-Mahomes, etc., is that they are just bad at drafting QBs.


There's luck involved in any selection. That's why really good GMs only hit on about 60-65% of their picks. It seems like you are disproportionately attributing luck to the selection of successful QBs vis a vis successful players at other positions.

Further, your example of Detroit's draft situation above is either flawed or incomplete since Detroit is not obligated to pick at #2 in the draft if they don't like the options available there at QB or other positions. In that case, the smart thing to do would be to trade down so they can build depth on a roster sorely lacking it. Since they will likely be assured of another top 5 pick in 2023, they can choose from a more palatable crop of QBs at that time. If the Lions conceive and execute such a strategy, doing so will be a product of their expertise more so than luck.

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Louis Riddick is campaigning hard for the job. Sometimes when you campaign, you get elected. I would pass on him. The Morocco guy is intriguing. Unlike Pace, he can point to 4 stops where the team had success drafting players while he was working there.




I’ve been on the watch for Riddick for some time now (mentioned at the end of last season I’d like him to replace Pace). I like him. When you listen to him talk and evaluate, he makes a lot of sense. He ascended at both spots he was in too (Washington and Philly)


That said, I have not heard he’s on the Bears list -and while I would give him a look personally, he has been away from the game outside of television for almost a decade.


Another issue I wonder about with him is ego, he seems like someone who might be a bit arrogant. That works well to a point in a tv booth.. but in a front office I’m not so sure.

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I’ve been on the watch for Riddick for some time now (mentioned at the end of last season I’d like him to replace Pace). I like him. When you listen to him talk and evaluate, he makes a lot of sense. He ascended at both spots he was in too (Washington and Philly)

I like him as an analyst but that job is largely Captain Hindsight stuff. That’s not a criticism, I just don’t know that what I see on ESPN speaks to an ability to recognize talent.

He has some pro scouting on his resume but I’m not clear he was actually good at it and it doesn’t seem he’s professionally assessed college level talent.

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I’ve been on the watch for Riddick for some time now (mentioned at the end of last season I’d like him to replace Pace). I like him. When you listen to him talk and evaluate, he makes a lot of sense. He ascended at both spots he was in too (Washington and Philly)

I like him as an analyst but that job is largely Captain Hindsight stuff. That’s not a criticism, I just don’t know that what I see on ESPN speaks to an ability to recognize talent.

He has some pro scouting on his resume but I’m not clear he was actually good at it and it doesn’t seem he’s professionally assessed college level talent.


Yeah, I'm not that impressed with his NFL front office credentials. And the fact that he hasn't worked for a team in roughly a decade suggests that no one else is either.

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Nas wrote:
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Louis Riddick is campaigning hard for the job. Sometimes when you campaign, you get elected. I would pass on him. The Morocco guy is intriguing. Unlike Pace, he can point to 4 stops where the team had success drafting players while he was working there.


It's sad that you've unwittingly allowed the McCaskey family to lower your standards so much that you'd be satisfied with the Colts' "Guy Who Runs the PowerPoint During Draft Prep" instead of, say, an accomplished executive with a demonstrated history of building teams with sustained success.

Since when did Chicago become the place to go if you're on the periphery of some good team whose most likely good because of someone you may have run into during a staff meeting?


I think that you are viewing this wrong my friend. Working in 4 or 5 scouting departments/front offices that had success drafting players is unique. It gives him a perspective that most first time GM's don't have.

Every great executive started somewhere. Why can't the Bears get the young guy with fresh ideas that has paid his dues?



Fair enough, but still. This supposed "major market" city should command the best, not some first-timer.

I might be intrigued by candidates who've managed to succeed without a HOF/Pro Bowl-type QB. I am weary of guys living off the success of Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, Mahomes, etc., though I get how that can be unreasonable since you have to surround those QBs with good players to capitalize on their greatness.


So you are saying that you prefer personnel guys who have failed to draft well at the most important position in football over those who have drafted well at that position?



Others have said this better than I can, but there is also an element of luck here, no? For example, Mahomes and Watson fall to KC and Houston respectively at #10 and #12. They get credit for the selection but there's some luck involved here in that the 9 and 11 teams before KC and Houston elected not to grab either one of them. I'm hesitant to credit KC 100% with grabbing Mahomes when, through no fault of thier own, they also benefitted from the 9 teams before them not selecting Mahomes when they had a chance to.

There's also the class as well. Let's just assume the class of 2021 (Fields, Wilson, Lawrence, Lance, and Jones) end up being stars, and the 2022 class ends up being bad, as projected. The Lions pick #2 in 2022, which is a bad class. Had they picked #2 just one year prior they would have had a chance at Fields, Jones, Wilson or Lance. It reminds me of the Bulls picking Tyrus Thomas #2 in 2006; KD would have been available that year had the NBA not raised the age limit just a year prior. That's why KD spent 2006 in college rather than entering the draft. In 2007, KD goes #2. Would the Bulls have had a chance at KD in 2006 if not for the age rule thing? Maybe, but there's some measure of bad luck here in that KD wasn't in the class the Bulls had the #2 pick for.

So, while I don't have a problem in saying there's some skills you need to identify QBs, and perhaps identify QBs you want to avoid in the draft, there's also some luck. Therefore, I can't say the sole problem with Denver, BLT (pre-Lamar), KC pre-Mahomes, etc., is that they are just bad at drafting QBs.


Always some luck with in drafts but the Chiefs did trade up from 27th to 10th to draft Mahomes. So they identified the talent and went and got him. It wasn't just next best available QB on the board that fell into their laps.


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As it stands right now, Davis Mills from the Texans was the 2nd best rookie QB behind Jones. No one would have predicted that. 13 games, 66.8% passing, 2,664 yards, 16 TDs vs 10 Ints.



Andrew Luck, Justin Herbert and Davis Mills QB coach Pep Hamilton would have:

Pep Hamilton:

Indianapolis Colts (2013–2015) -Andrew Luck
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Los Angeles Chargers (2020) -Justin Herbert
Quarterbacks coach

Houston Texans (2021–present)
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Davis Mills improved the 2nd half of the season:

against the Jags:

19/30 209 7.0 AVG 2 TD 1 INT 92.2 RTG

against Chargers:

21/27 254 9.4 AVG 2 TD 0 INT 130.6 RTG

Final week vs Titans:

23/33 301 9.1 AVG 3 TD 0 INT 128.5 RTG


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This search committee that George has set up is absolutely ridiculous. He has set up a panel of diverse judges and has now invited a host of candidates to perform in his talent show. That tells me they have zero plan or idea what they want to do and they are going to allow themselves to get wowed by someone or talked into someone by a diverse and inclusive perspective. None of the top candidates for either position are going to accept an offer with that type of clown show hiring process. It is almost as if that is what has happened in years past with Ballard and Ariens saying no thanks.

Enjoyu your new "happy to just have a promotion" GM and Coach.

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I was thinking about this more and it bugs me that they don't have a next generation Mc Caskey sitting on this committee. George is at the very end of his time. This SHOULD be his last big hire. Isn't it more important that a 40 year old Mc Caskey get the experience of interviewing candidates than some of the other people on the committee?

which only further leads me to believe that yesterday was the rollout of the DEI officer as the next team president.

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I was thinking about this more and it bugs me that they don't have a next generation Mc Caskey sitting on this committee. George is at the very end of his time. This SHOULD be his last big hire. Isn't it more important that a 40 year old Mc Caskey get the experience of interviewing candidates than some of the other people on the committee?

which only further leads me to believe that yesterday was the rollout of the DEI officer as the next team president.

This team is out of McCaskey hands no more than 12 months after Virginia’s passing.

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I was thinking about this more and it bugs me that they don't have a next generation Mc Caskey sitting on this committee. George is at the very end of his time. This SHOULD be his last big hire. Isn't it more important that a 40 year old Mc Caskey get the experience of interviewing candidates than some of the other people on the committee?

which only further leads me to believe that yesterday was the rollout of the DEI officer as the next team president.

This team is out of McCaskey hands no more than 12 months after Virginia’s passing.


They have to have that Arlington Heights move complete to maximize value.

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