Kyle Shanahan seemingly owns McVay. That's not Stafford's fault but could be a problem for the Rams if Lance is decent.

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I assume a QB of a certain temperment and skill level could get hot at the right time. Like a Foles or a Rypien.

The Rams D was the best in the league a few years ago, not so anymore. They should have lost to NO if not for an officiating gaffe.

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The Rams D won them the game last night.

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The Rams' defense was #5 in DVOA for the season.

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Just like it's not Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's fault Ryan Pace traded up to pick him at #2....it's not Stafford's fault the Rams gave up two 1st round picks.

The Rams overpaid for Stafford. He's still a better QB than he was in Detroit and he's definitely in the 2nd tier of NFL QB's.

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I think he's about the same QB more or less, but the Rams are worlds better than the Lions.

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It didn't hurt that the opposing quarterback was absolutely terrified before kickoff.

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Just wait till the Bears can’t miss already anointed star quarterback doesn’t come close to the career that Stafford or Cousins has .

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That will show everyone!

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Stafford won his first career playoff game last night. Cousins has two playoff wins. Fields has a chance to get that many next season. Maybe even three on his own.

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You clowns are twisting yourselves into knots trying to justify this garbage. Top 3 in yards, top 3 in Tds and just won the best division in football.

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Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.

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If the Rams show up with Lewis and the Ravens D then look out

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Glad you think Dilfer is better than Cousins and Stafford.

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Top 1 in interceptions, top 1 in pick sixes

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FF, Hussra.. If he takes Brady out this weekend will your opinion change?

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No. If he wins a Super Bowl my opinion will change. Goff took them to the Super Bowl already. They wanted to upgrade from him.

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Keep in mind, Ive always maintained Stafford is a good qb, top 10ish. And a massive upgrade over Goff. Nobody ever said he was a top 5 guy. Golladay, Kupp gave career years with him and cant with other shitballs like Goff or Danny dimes.

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You've been saying he is the MVP of the NFL for most of this season

Don't crap me now

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I said he was a mvp candidate..he was a top 5 guy til week 9 or so.

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If Goff were still the QB they'd have no chance at winning the SB this year. With Stafford they do. That's why they made the trade. (Note: I'm not saying they are the favorite).

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I disagree.

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I'm having a hard time pinning down what you are arguing? Did they give up too much to get him? He was worth what the market would bear. And he looked great against Arizona's D. Sure, the Rams D played great. But Stafford had a bunch of great passes and he's an upgrade over Goff, who Sean had to constantly micromanage to get him to play good. It was a great choice by the Rams and I think they make a Super Bowl with a 50/50 chance to win against anyone out of the other division.

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Yes. That literally has been my only argument here, and I don't think I could've been more clear about it.

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Rams are currently +750 to win the Super Bowl. If you think they have a 50/50 shot to win it, those are tremendous odds. I would suggest betting a lot on it.

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I have already. Sadly, I don't have a whole lot of spending money.

And aren't you making the argument that Goff isn't that much worse than him as well?

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Yeah, there isn't a big difference between the two. Stafford is better, but both of them need great defenses and great surrounding offensive talent to go anywhere. Both will make soul crushing turnovers in big spots as well.

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If you look at the history of QB's drafted in the 1st round, it's 50/50 at best that a QB you draft with a 1st round pick will be as good as or better than Cousins/Stafford, probably closer to 30 to 40% shot of success. vs trading a 1st round pick for a QB who has a definite ceiling below greatness but also is certain to be able to be your starter immediately and for several seasons going forward. So it's a no-brainer that most any NFL franchise with a need at QB would be willing to send out a 1st round pick to bring back a QB of Stafford/Cousins caliber (absent better alternatives).

The problem is what the Rams already had in Goff wasn't so dramatically worse than what they paid 2 first round picks + sent out Goff and a 3rd round pick to replace. Goff early on in his career might've fetched a 1st round pick on the trade market. After his last Rams season you're probably getting a 2nd rounder in return for Goff. Maybe a 2nd and a later round pick. So the Rams essentially paid 2 1st round picks and the 3rd round pick + the value of Goff on the trade market, so 2 firsts, 1 second and a third+.




They paid Rodgers/Wilson price for a player who, it turns out, is closer to Goff and Garoppolo in value than Rodgers and Wilson. If SF or whomever were willing to overpay for Stafford, let em have it. Let them screw over their franchise going forward by overpaying for Stafford.