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The same thing people are saying to discredit Harbaugh (good record but can't win the big one!) are the same things people said to discredit Andy Reid before he signed with the Chiefs in 2013. The Bears were never really players for Andy Reid in 2013 because, again they are cheap, can't deal with a big ego and didn't want to give him full control...how did that work out?


Andy Reid wasn't flaky. You knew Andy Reid was going to be there until you scrapped him and his cot up off his office floor.


The news surrounding his son's overdose undermined his attractiveness as a candidate at the time, especially since the 2012 season went so badly in Philly.

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So is the board moving on from the ‘Armstrong for president of football ops’ thing that seemed really popular for some reason?


The Bears seem to live in a Manichean world, so if the choice is between Armstrong and Phillips or Armstrong and nothing, I'd take Armstrong.

I’d take literally anybody over Sweaty but it’s not clear to me Armstrong is anything other than a pretty good agent. He gave us Nagy yet people still wanted him in an executive role.

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He's gotten closer than Eberflus, is a proven winner, and has had significant success coaching a QB stylistically similar to Justin Fields.


For now. I wanted Harbaugh, but the fact remains that he hasn't won a championship at any level. He has failed when it mattered most. He's also extremely flaky. It would have been foolish to continue waiting until he decided IF he wanted to leave and then pray that he chose the Bears.


McDaniels would also have been a better choice than Eberflus.


Based on what? His time in Denver and St. Louis? At least you can point to sustained regular season winning when it comes to Harbaugh running a team. The Belichick nestlings have been AWFUL once they leave the nest.


Daboll worked out great as Buffalo's OC. Flores is a lunatic, but he got the most out of his roster. So not all Belichick disciples are failures.

As for McDaniels, I like what he did with a noodle-armed rookie QB with limited physical ability, love the versatility he has shown as an offensive coordinator, and believe him when he says he has learned from his past mistakes (something Daboll has also done).


Was it Daboll or Allen's desire to be the best player in football? We'll soon find out. Flores did relatively well, but he is a lunatic that hasn't won anything. You should probably win first before behaving like some version of Belichick.

I think McDaniels is a GREAT offensive mind. I suspect being a coordinator may be his ceiling though.

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The ethically challenged Mc Daniels should change the character of the morally challenged Raider locker room.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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So is the board moving on from the ‘Armstrong for president of football ops’ thing that seemed really popular for some reason?


The Bears seem to live in a Manichean world, so if the choice is between Armstrong and Phillips or Armstrong and nothing, I'd take Armstrong.

I’d take literally anybody over Sweaty but it’s not clear to me Armstrong is anything other than a pretty good agent. He gave us Nagy yet people still wanted him in an executive role.


Pretty good agent? I think it is safe to call him a great agent.

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The ethically challenged Mc Daniels should change the character of the morally challenged Raider locker room.

I read that as ethnically challenged and the Irish in me got a little piqued.

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So is the board moving on from the ‘Armstrong for president of football ops’ thing that seemed really popular for some reason?


The Bears seem to live in a Manichean world, so if the choice is between Armstrong and Phillips or Armstrong and nothing, I'd take Armstrong.

I’d take literally anybody over Sweaty but it’s not clear to me Armstrong is anything other than a pretty good agent. He gave us Nagy yet people still wanted him in an executive role.


Pretty good agent? I think it is safe to call him a great agent.

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The same thing people are saying to discredit Harbaugh (good record but can't win the big one!) are the same things people said to discredit Andy Reid before he signed with the Chiefs in 2013. The Bears were never really players for Andy Reid in 2013 because, again they are cheap, can't deal with a big ego and didn't want to give him full control...how did that work out?


Andy Reid wasn't flaky. You knew Andy Reid was going to be there until you scrapped him and his cot up off his office floor.


There were plenty of questions about Reid back then, the same things they said about Harbaugh, but he won games and knew offense. You are "Stockholm Syndroming" yourself into this bargain basement hire the Bears made.


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Nas wrote:
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So is the board moving on from the ‘Armstrong for president of football ops’ thing that seemed really popular for some reason?


The Bears seem to live in a Manichean world, so if the choice is between Armstrong and Phillips or Armstrong and nothing, I'd take Armstrong.

I’d take literally anybody over Sweaty but it’s not clear to me Armstrong is anything other than a pretty good agent. He gave us Nagy yet people still wanted him in an executive role.


Pretty good agent? I think it is safe to call him a great agent.


His greatest attribute is bringing in clients (which really is the most important attribute of the business). He only seems to represent coaches and the terms of those contracts are almost always entirely dictated by the team. There are a few hot candidates who have multiple options.

His best work probably is getting the guys none of us know into entry and assistant jobs.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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So is the board moving on from the ‘Armstrong for president of football ops’ thing that seemed really popular for some reason?


The Bears seem to live in a Manichean world, so if the choice is between Armstrong and Phillips or Armstrong and nothing, I'd take Armstrong.

I’d take literally anybody over Sweaty but it’s not clear to me Armstrong is anything other than a pretty good agent. He gave us Nagy yet people still wanted him in an executive role.


I think Armstrong is already the president.

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I am not sold on McDaniels being a better choice.


agreed, and I would never trust him


McDaniels is hardly perfect, but he's certainly far more accomplished than Eberflus--and he's one of the best offensive minds in football.


You could say the same thing about every Patriots coordinator in the past 20 years. For some reason, they all fail to fly when they leave the nest. Even after they are given multiple opportunities. Maybe McDaniels will be different. I see no reason to believe that he will. In addition to that, I see no reason to trust him.


There are certainly arguments against McDaniels, but he is clearly far superior to O'Brien and Weis given the range of his experience, the variety of offensive schemes/styles he has implemented, his success developing a physically limited rookie QB (and in coaching another limited QB in Kyle Orton), and the time/opportunity he has had to learn from his past head coaching failure. There's every indication he would be a better choice to develop the Bears' most important player than Luke Getsy. Given that McDaniels selected Eberflus to run his defense for the Colts, I am assuming he will make a very solid choice for defensive coordinator with the Raiders as well. All things considered, he seems like a much less risky hire than Eberflus. This doesn't mean Eberflus won't succeed, but it is undeniable that there are many uncertainties surrounding his selection.

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The ethically challenged Mc Daniels should change the character of the morally challenged Raider locker room.


Just win, baby.

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good dolphin wrote:
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
So is the board moving on from the ‘Armstrong for president of football ops’ thing that seemed really popular for some reason?


The Bears seem to live in a Manichean world, so if the choice is between Armstrong and Phillips or Armstrong and nothing, I'd take Armstrong.

I’d take literally anybody over Sweaty but it’s not clear to me Armstrong is anything other than a pretty good agent. He gave us Nagy yet people still wanted him in an executive role.


Pretty good agent? I think it is safe to call him a great agent.


His greatest attribute is bringing in clients (which really is the most important attribute of the business). He only seems to represent coaches and the terms of those contracts are almost always entirely dictated by the team. There are a few hot candidates who have multiple options.

His best work probably is getting the guys none of us know into entry and assistant jobs.


He's Ryan Poles agent as well. Getting your clients promoted to the highest levels in their field is impressive. Also should I ignore the Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley contracts when you say that the terms are dictated by the teams?

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I couldn't listen/watch live yesterday, so I watched a bit of it last night. My reactions;

-I think Poles was really nervous and/or overwhelmed at the start of the presser. He seemed to get a little better and more relaxed as things went on. My initial reaction is that he seems to have a much better idea on how to build an overall team more than Pace did. I really don't care how he looks or sounds.

-I think Eberflus is a socially awkward dork. I think he's a football nerd that lives, breathes, and sleeps football which is why he talks and acts the way he does. Not unlike Thibodeau with the bulls. I like most of what he said. There will definitely be some "oh my god i can't believe he said that" type moments, but he too seems to have a clear idea of what he wants his team to be. More than once he mentioned that he would 'fit the scheme' to the guys on the roster. I don't think we've had that type of mentality at Halas Hall in a number of years. Even Lovie had a scheme that he was going to use, though at least he had a track record for the most part.

-I think part of yesterday is that public speaking really freaks a lot of people out. Its one thing for a coach to talk to a pool of reporters after a game because they are generally only talking about events that just took place over the previous 3 hours or so. Yesterday with the cameras and lights and talking to a bunch of people that some of these guys have never met before can be intimidating. I wouldn't put much stock into how they sounded or looked. Pace always looked like a million bucks and sounded as polished as could be. Nagy seemed to have no problem waxing poetic with incompetence at the mic, and they turned out to be giant turds.

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I couldn't listen/watch live yesterday, so I watched a bit of it last night. My reactions;

-I think Poles was really nervous and/or overwhelmed at the start of the presser. He seemed to get a little better and more relaxed as things went on. My initial reaction is that he seems to have a much better idea on how to build an overall team more than Pace did. I really don't care how he looks or sounds.

-I think Eberflus is a socially awkward dork. I think he's a football nerd that lives, breathes, and sleeps football which is why he talks and acts the way he does. Not unlike Thibodeau with the bulls. I like most of what he said. There will definitely be some "oh my god i can't believe he said that" type moments, but he too seems to have a clear idea of what he wants his team to be. More than once he mentioned that he would 'fit the scheme' to the guys on the roster. I don't think we've had that type of mentality at Halas Hall in a number of years. Even Lovie had a scheme that he was going to use, though at least he had a track record for the most part.

-I think part of yesterday is that public speaking really freaks a lot of people out. Its one thing for a coach to talk to a pool of reporters after a game because they are generally only talking about events that just took place over the previous 3 hours or so. Yesterday with the cameras and lights and talking to a bunch of people that some of these guys have never met before can be intimidating. I wouldn't put much stock into how they sounded or looked. Pace always looked like a million bucks and sounded as polished as could be, and he turned out to be giant turd.


I couldn't agree more.

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I only listened to their opening statements. I was not impressed at all. But that does not matter. It is what they do with the roster and on the field that will matter. I am hoping we see a Bulls like renaissance.

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Harbaugh gave his college assistant coaches a whole week starting off today and said "Do what is best for you". By the way, this is still technically signing day in college football, though it's a lot less important now with there being another one in December now.

We are going to hear for years how the Bears didn't even interview Jim Harbaugh. Eberflus better win fast.

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Harbaugh gave his college assistant coaches a whole week starting off today and said "Do what is best for you". By the way, this is still technically signing day in college football, though it's a lot less important now with there being another one in December now.

We are going to hear for years how the Bears didn't even interview Jim Harbaugh. Eberflus better win fast.


They better pray Miami swoops in at the last minute with more $$$. What an epic failure.


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There is no doubt the Bears were ordering lottery tickets with each of their hires but there is nothing wrong with getting a guy on the come.

I'm troubled that it never got to a full interview with Harbaugh. That seems negligent

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We are going to hear for years how the Bears didn't even interview Jim Harbaugh.
It's possible that given his history and knowledge of the organization, Hawbaugh simply didn't want to be here. Or he didn't want to answer to Ted Philips.

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Also don't forget, when in San Fran, Harbaugh benched traditional pocket passing QB Alex Smith for Kaepernick, who has a very similar skill profile to Justin Fields. I find it hard to believe that Harbaugh didn't think he could win with Justin Fields. This was all about the McCaskey's being cheap and not willing to deal with a big personality like Harbaugh. Just like in 2013 when they should have gotten the BIG fish in Andy Reid and didn't even bother... This is a family of natural born losers that inherited a billion dollar franchise and can't do a damn thing it takes to consistently win.


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We are going to hear for years how the Bears didn't even interview Jim Harbaugh.
It's possible that given his history and knowledge of the organization, Hawbaugh simply didn't want to be here. Or he didn't want to answer to Ted Philips.

None of the answers are good on why Jim Harbaugh didn't interview here but those are worse than them simply not wanting to pay him a huge amount of money to coach here.

Hopefully all of this was simply to get him a nice landing spot in Miami but if a similar organization in Minnesota pulls this off then it's a disaster.

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I don't really disagree, but it seems as though the Bears had a conversation with him. Its quite plausible that Harbaugh found out he would still have to go through Ted Philips and said, "No Thanks."

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I don't really disagree, but it seems as though the Bears had a conversation with him. Its quite plausible that Harbaugh found out he would still have to go through Ted Philips and said, "No Thanks."

That's the worst possible answer though as to why he didn't interview.

The best possible answer, and it isn't a great one, is that they didn't want to pay him $11 million a year to coach here.

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That's the worst possible answer though as to why he didn't interview.
Its the Bears. Would it really surprise you if this were the truth?

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Did reporters ask about Teven Jenkins?

I'm interested to see our new guys thoughts on both Fields and Jenkins. Their statements yesterday were superficial.

I would have thought a reporter would have asked where they see Jenkins as the answer to that question is almost as critical as Fields. If he is a LT, the heaviest of lifting in changing the line is complete. If he is a RT, I think that alters your off season entirely. If he is a G, then you don't need to sign Daniels. I'd be completely fine if there evaluation is different from Pace and Nagy.

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We are going to hear for years how the Bears didn't even interview Jim Harbaugh.
It's possible that given his history and knowledge of the organization, Hawbaugh simply didn't want to be here. Or he didn't want to answer to Ted Philips.

None of the answers are good on why Jim Harbaugh didn't interview here but those are worse than them simply not wanting to pay him a huge amount of money to coach here.

Hopefully all of this was simply to get him a nice landing spot in Miami but if a similar organization in Minnesota pulls this off then it's a disaster.


Wouldn't the Vikings have to win a SB and Eberflus have to suck for it to be a disaster?

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It really isnt the worst Brick.

The worst is the Bears not pursuing him or not wanting him to be coach.

If THe Bears talked to him and he said no thanks for whatever reason then that is understandable at least. Then the Bears had no choice but to move on to other candidates.

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Not willing to pay 11 million a year to a head coach is also a pretty awful reason for an organization recently valued at 4 billion dollars. Also if Harbaugh flakes in year 6 and goes to coach at Big Time College X(which he will because the guy can never NOT coach), the Bears would only be on hook for any differences in the salary.


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