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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:31 am 
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Did reporters ask about Teven Jenkins?

I'm interested to see our new guys thoughts on both Fields and Jenkins. Their statements yesterday were superficial.

I would have thought a reporter would have asked where they see Jenkins as the answer to that question is almost as critical as Fields. If he is a LT, the heaviest of lifting in changing the line is complete. If he is a RT, I think that alters your off season entirely. If he is a G, then you don't need to sign Daniels. I'd be completely fine if there evaluation is different from Pace and Nagy.

I read something this morning that said the new guys were not impressed with Borom and Mustipher, and would consider moving Whithair back to center. It didnt really mention anything about Jenkins, but that has to be objective #1 for them regarding the line. Figure out what you have in Jenkins and go from there.

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We are going to hear for years how the Bears didn't even interview Jim Harbaugh.
It's possible that given his history and knowledge of the organization, Hawbaugh simply didn't want to be here. Or he didn't want to answer to Ted Philips.

None of the answers are good on why Jim Harbaugh didn't interview here but those are worse than them simply not wanting to pay him a huge amount of money to coach here.

Hopefully all of this was simply to get him a nice landing spot in Miami but if a similar organization in Minnesota pulls this off then it's a disaster.


Wouldn't the Vikings have to win a SB and Eberflus have to suck for it to be a disaster?
Eberflus would have to outperform Harbaugh to avoid it being a disaster.

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Not willing to pay 11 million a year to a head coach is also a pretty awful reason for an organization recently valued at 4 billion dollars. Also if Harbaugh flakes in year 6 and goes to coach at Big Time College X(which he will because the guy can never NOT coach), the Bears would only be on hook for any differences in the salary.


He'll be 70 by then. I suspect this is his John Fox deal. I don't know if he'll check out after signing the contract though.

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It really isnt the worst Brick.

The worst is the Bears not pursuing him or not wanting him to be coach.

If THe Bears talked to him and he said no thanks for whatever reason then that is understandable at least. Then the Bears had no choice but to move on to other candidates.

You don't just "talk to him" though. You get him in for an interview.

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Not willing to pay 11 million a year to a head coach is also a pretty awful reason for an organization recently valued at 4 billion dollars. Also if Harbaugh flakes in year 6 and goes to coach at Big Time College X(which he will because the guy can never NOT coach), the Bears would only be on hook for any differences in the salary.


Think of how much they spent on QB contracts alone last year. 11 million is a drop in the bucket

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Not willing to pay 11 million a year to a head coach is also a pretty awful reason for an organization recently valued at 4 billion dollars. Also if Harbaugh flakes in year 6 and goes to coach at Big Time College X(which he will because the guy can never NOT coach), the Bears would only be on hook for any differences in the salary.


He'll be 70 by then. I suspect this is his John Fox deal. I don't know if he'll check out after signing the contract though.


Harbaugh is 58.


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Not willing to pay 11 million a year to a head coach is also a pretty awful reason for an organization recently valued at 4 billion dollars. Also if Harbaugh flakes in year 6 and goes to coach at Big Time College X(which he will because the guy can never NOT coach), the Bears would only be on hook for any differences in the salary.


He'll be 70 by then. I suspect this is his John Fox deal. I don't know if he'll check out after signing the contract though.


Harbaugh is 58 now and will be 64 in six years.

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Brick wrote:
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We are going to hear for years how the Bears didn't even interview Jim Harbaugh.
It's possible that given his history and knowledge of the organization, Hawbaugh simply didn't want to be here. Or he didn't want to answer to Ted Philips.

None of the answers are good on why Jim Harbaugh didn't interview here but those are worse than them simply not wanting to pay him a huge amount of money to coach here.

Hopefully all of this was simply to get him a nice landing spot in Miami but if a similar organization in Minnesota pulls this off then it's a disaster.


Wouldn't the Vikings have to win a SB and Eberflus have to suck for it to be a disaster?
Eberflus would have to outperform Harbaugh to avoid it being a disaster.


What does this mean? Minnesota has a win now roster and the Bears are in retooling phase.

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Caller Bob wrote:
Not willing to pay 11 million a year to a head coach is also a pretty awful reason for an organization recently valued at 4 billion dollars. Also if Harbaugh flakes in year 6 and goes to coach at Big Time College X(which he will because the guy can never NOT coach), the Bears would only be on hook for any differences in the salary.


Think of how much they spent on QB contracts alone last year. 11 million is a drop in the bucket


There is a strange phenomenon going around of certain Bears fans being stewards of the McCaskey Family financial warchest. Seacrest for one...I wonder if he thinks he is in the Will somewhere.


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I couldn't listen/watch live yesterday, so I watched a bit of it last night. My reactions;

-I think Poles was really nervous and/or overwhelmed at the start of the presser. He seemed to get a little better and more relaxed as things went on. My initial reaction is that he seems to have a much better idea on how to build an overall team more than Pace did. I really don't care how he looks or sounds.

-I think Eberflus is a socially awkward dork. I think he's a football nerd that lives, breathes, and sleeps football which is why he talks and acts the way he does. Not unlike Thibodeau with the bulls. I like most of what he said. There will definitely be some "oh my god i can't believe he said that" type moments, but he too seems to have a clear idea of what he wants his team to be. More than once he mentioned that he would 'fit the scheme' to the guys on the roster. I don't think we've had that type of mentality at Halas Hall in a number of years. Even Lovie had a scheme that he was going to use, though at least he had a track record for the most part.

-I think part of yesterday is that public speaking really freaks a lot of people out. Its one thing for a coach to talk to a pool of reporters after a game because they are generally only talking about events that just took place over the previous 3 hours or so. Yesterday with the cameras and lights and talking to a bunch of people that some of these guys have never met before can be intimidating. I wouldn't put much stock into how they sounded or looked. Pace always looked like a million bucks and sounded as polished as could be, and he turned out to be giant turd.


I couldn't agree more.

Yes....well stated, Frank.
Let's add....both of these guys are being forced to answer a whole slew of really stupid, irrelevant, and predictable questions.

What I've gathered is that we have a GM that will values Offensive and Defensive line play. That's a positive.
I also gathered our Coach will work to scheme around the talent he has. He will also clearly act as a head coach and not where 2 hats as a coordinator.

Fine.....both gave us plenty of meatball and cliche answers, but I'm left thinking they can't be worse than the previous clowns. They can only be be better....time will tell.

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It really isnt the worst Brick.

The worst is the Bears not pursuing him or not wanting him to be coach.

If THe Bears talked to him and he said no thanks for whatever reason then that is understandable at least. Then the Bears had no choice but to move on to other candidates.

You don't just "talk to him" though. You get him in for an interview.

You can't force the man to interview :lol:

Maybe that didnt happen, but as Frank said with the Bears and his knowledge of them it is possible he had no interest in even getting to an interview.

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Not willing to pay 11 million a year to a head coach is also a pretty awful reason for an organization recently valued at 4 billion dollars. Also if Harbaugh flakes in year 6 and goes to coach at Big Time College X(which he will because the guy can never NOT coach), the Bears would only be on hook for any differences in the salary.


He'll be 70 by then. I suspect this is his John Fox deal. I don't know if he'll check out after signing the contract though.


Harbaugh is 58 now and will be 64 in six years.


I was exaggerating. Besides, we know that Harbaugh will likely leave or be forced out after 4 years. Anything less than a SB would make him a failure.

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It really isnt the worst Brick.

The worst is the Bears not pursuing him or not wanting him to be coach.

If THe Bears talked to him and he said no thanks for whatever reason then that is understandable at least. Then the Bears had no choice but to move on to other candidates.

You don't just "talk to him" though. You get him in for an interview.
What are they supposed to do, kidnap him and force him to interview? Harbaugh as the right to say no for whatever reason.


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I couldn't listen/watch live yesterday, so I watched a bit of it last night. My reactions;

-I think Poles was really nervous and/or overwhelmed at the start of the presser. He seemed to get a little better and more relaxed as things went on. My initial reaction is that he seems to have a much better idea on how to build an overall team more than Pace did. I really don't care how he looks or sounds.

-I think Eberflus is a socially awkward dork. I think he's a football nerd that lives, breathes, and sleeps football which is why he talks and acts the way he does. Not unlike Thibodeau with the bulls. I like most of what he said. There will definitely be some "oh my god i can't believe he said that" type moments, but he too seems to have a clear idea of what he wants his team to be. More than once he mentioned that he would 'fit the scheme' to the guys on the roster. I don't think we've had that type of mentality at Halas Hall in a number of years. Even Lovie had a scheme that he was going to use, though at least he had a track record for the most part.

-I think part of yesterday is that public speaking really freaks a lot of people out. Its one thing for a coach to talk to a pool of reporters after a game because they are generally only talking about events that just took place over the previous 3 hours or so. Yesterday with the cameras and lights and talking to a bunch of people that some of these guys have never met before can be intimidating. I wouldn't put much stock into how they sounded or looked. Pace always looked like a million bucks and sounded as polished as could be, and he turned out to be giant turd.


I couldn't agree more.

Yes....well stated, Frank.
Let's add....both of these guys are being forced to answer a whole slew of really stupid, irrelevant, and predictable questions.

What I've gathered is that we have a GM that will values Offensive and Defensive line play. That's a positive.
I also gathered our Coach will work to scheme around the talent he has. He will also clearly act as a head coach and not where 2 hats as a coordinator.

Fine.....both gave us plenty of meatball and cliche answers, but I'm left thinking they can't be worse than the previous clowns. They can only be be better....time will tell.


Eberflus has demonstrated that he will adjust his scheme to the talent he has. That alone is a major improvement from the Nagy era.

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Not willing to pay 11 million a year to a head coach is also a pretty awful reason for an organization recently valued at 4 billion dollars. Also if Harbaugh flakes in year 6 and goes to coach at Big Time College X(which he will because the guy can never NOT coach), the Bears would only be on hook for any differences in the salary.


He'll be 70 by then. I suspect this is his John Fox deal. I don't know if he'll check out after signing the contract though.


Harbaugh is 58 now and will be 64 in six years.


I was exaggerating. Besides, we know that Harbaugh will likely leave or be forced out after 4 years. Anything less than a SB would make him a failure.


We do? He spent the past seven years at Michigan.

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What does this mean? Minnesota has a win now roster and the Bears are in retooling phase.
I didn't mean in just the first year.

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It really isnt the worst Brick.

The worst is the Bears not pursuing him or not wanting him to be coach.

If THe Bears talked to him and he said no thanks for whatever reason then that is understandable at least. Then the Bears had no choice but to move on to other candidates.

You don't just "talk to him" though. You get him in for an interview.

You can't force the man to interview :lol:

Maybe that didnt happen, but as Frank said with the Bears and his knowledge of them it is possible he had no interest in even getting to an interview.

I blame Derrick Rose for not recruiting him.

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It has been reported that Harbaugh called the Bears last year(when Michigan was trying to take back money). He doesn't have some general objection against the Chicago Bears. If the Bears could stop being cheap and George stop being a passive aggressive douche, he would be in here now.


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It really isnt the worst Brick.

The worst is the Bears not pursuing him or not wanting him to be coach.

If THe Bears talked to him and he said no thanks for whatever reason then that is understandable at least. Then the Bears had no choice but to move on to other candidates.

You don't just "talk to him" though. You get him in for an interview.
What are they supposed to do, kidnap him and force him to interview? Harbaugh as the right to say no for whatever reason.


EDIT- sorry RFDC, I missed your reply

You figure out what those reasons are and you at least put in an effort to get him to give you a chance.

He played here and it has been reported that the Bears were his "dream job" in 2016. I think you can get him to take the hour plane ride from Ann Arbor and at the end he says "Good talking to you but I don't think it will work out".

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It has been reported that Harbaugh called the Bears last year(when Michigan was trying to take back money). He doesn't have some general objection against the Chicago Bears. If the Bears could stop being cheap and George stop being a passive aggressive douche, he would be in here now.

Again, you really don't know that. If Harbaugh wanted to be here, he could have let that be known and then the pressure would have been on ownership to make it happen.

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Not sure if it's been mentioned, but M&H said it's likely he's bringing his entire defensive coaching staff from Indy as they are likely to be launched.

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It has been reported that Harbaugh called the Bears last year(when Michigan was trying to take back money). He doesn't have some general objection against the Chicago Bears. If the Bears could stop being cheap and George stop being a passive aggressive douche, he would be in here now.

Again, you really don't know that. If Harbaugh wanted to be here, he could have let that be known and then the pressure would have been on ownership to make it happen.


Yes I do, it's been widely reported that he called the Bears. Maybe he's not in love with the Bears the way die hard fans here are, but he clearly would work here if money and egos would be put aside.


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It has been reported that Harbaugh called the Bears last year(when Michigan was trying to take back money). He doesn't have some general objection against the Chicago Bears. If the Bears could stop being cheap and George stop being a passive aggressive douche, he would be in here now.


If that is remotely true, the Bears should have fired Nagy the same day and fired Pace if he wasn't on board with hiring Harbaugh. I don't know how true these leaks are. They seem convenient for a certain narrative. Say what you will about George McCaskey, but he has shown that he's not afraid of outbidding or doing whatever it takes to get his guy.

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Not sure if it's been mentioned, but M&H said it's likely he's bringing his entire defensive coaching staff from Indy as they are likely to be launched.


Yes, because Indy is changing its defensive scheme, which undermines Ballard's glowing endorsement of Eberflus.

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He doesn't have some general objection against the Chicago Bears.
You have no idea if this is true. Neither do I. It possible, but you can't speak as this being a matter of fact. Harbaugh himself is the only one who really knows.


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You figure out what those reasons are and you at least put in an effort to get him to give you a chance.
I'm saying that the reason might be because Ted Philips is still here. I'm saying its plausible Harbaugh said, "I'll go through you George, but I'm not going through Ted Philips," and that was the end of it. I don't know if that is true or not, but as I said this is the Bears and that situation is certainly plausible if not probable.


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He played here and it has been reported that the Bears were his "dream job" in 2016. I think you can get him to take the hour plane ride from Ann Arbor and at the end he says "Good talking to you but I don't think it will work out".
A lot has change since 2016. Again I'm playing Devil's Advocate a little bit but if Harbaugh knew that ultimately his response would probably be, "Good talking with you.....," why would he even waste the time on a puddle jumper?

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Say what you will about George McCaskey, but he has shown that he's not afraid of outbidding or doing whatever it takes to get his guy.

:lol: He's hired nothing neophytes and first timers whenever he's had the chance (with the exception of John Fox, who nobody wanted).


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Did reporters ask about Teven Jenkins?

I'm interested to see our new guys thoughts on both Fields and Jenkins. Their statements yesterday were superficial.

I would have thought a reporter would have asked where they see Jenkins as the answer to that question is almost as critical as Fields. If he is a LT, the heaviest of lifting in changing the line is complete. If he is a RT, I think that alters your off season entirely. If he is a G, then you don't need to sign Daniels. I'd be completely fine if there evaluation is different from Pace and Nagy.

I read something this morning that said the new guys were not impressed with Borom and Mustipher, and would consider moving Whithair back to center. It didnt really mention anything about Jenkins, but that has to be objective #1 for them regarding the line. Figure out what you have in Jenkins and go from there.


I'm not saying you are wrong but I'd like to see who is reporting the Borom/Mustipher news. They would not be a first press conference concern.

Mustipher is not a starting level player. Borom, on the other hand, looked like he had starting level ability, whether that is as a G or T. I'm not like some Bears fans and plugging him in for 5 years but he looked competent, especially within the context of being a rookie

I'd be ok if they decided both Jenkins and Borom were right side guys, as long as the evaluation was solid.

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You figure out what those reasons are and you at least put in an effort to get him to give you a chance.
I'm saying that the reason might be because Ted Philips is still here. I'm saying its plausible Harbaugh said, "I'll go through you George, but I'm not going through Ted Philips," and that was the end of it. I don't know if that is true or not, but as I said this is the Bears and that situation is certainly plausible if not probable.
That's a disaster if that is the reason. That's the point. If Jim Harbaugh doesn't want to answer to some long time executive in regards to football operations then you say "He'll be moved to a different job and you never have to talk to him".


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He played here and it has been reported that the Bears were his "dream job" in 2016. I think you can get him to take the hour plane ride from Ann Arbor and at the end he says "Good talking to you but I don't think it will work out".
A lot has change since 2016. Again I'm playing Devil's Advocate a little bit but if Harbaugh knew that ultimately his response would probably be, "Good talking with you.....," why would he even waste the time on a puddle jumper?
I still don't see how this description isn't worthy of being described as a disaster and a complete failure.

It's like you are honestly arguing that an immediate no from Harbaugh after a 2 minute phone conversation makes the Bears look better in regards to not getting him.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:53 am 
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Say what you will about George McCaskey, but he has shown that he's not afraid of outbidding or doing whatever it takes to get his guy.

:lol: He's hired nothing neophytes and first timers whenever he's had the chance (with the exception of John Fox, who nobody wanted).


More importantly, they've all been failures.

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Say what you will about George McCaskey, but he has shown that he's not afraid of outbidding or doing whatever it takes to get his guy.

:lol: He's hired nothing neophytes and first timers whenever he's had the chance (with the exception of John Fox, who nobody wanted).


They outbid the Packers for Mack and made him the highest paid defender in NFL history. They outmaneuvered the Vikings to land Poles and kinda did that to land Fields.

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