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Did reporters ask about Teven Jenkins?

I'm interested to see our new guys thoughts on both Fields and Jenkins. Their statements yesterday were superficial.

I would have thought a reporter would have asked where they see Jenkins as the answer to that question is almost as critical as Fields. If he is a LT, the heaviest of lifting in changing the line is complete. If he is a RT, I think that alters your off season entirely. If he is a G, then you don't need to sign Daniels. I'd be completely fine if there evaluation is different from Pace and Nagy.

I read something this morning that said the new guys were not impressed with Borom and Mustipher, and would consider moving Whithair back to center. It didnt really mention anything about Jenkins, but that has to be objective #1 for them regarding the line. Figure out what you have in Jenkins and go from there.


I'm not saying you are wrong but I'd like to see who is reporting the Borom/Mustipher news. They would not be a first press conference concern.

Mustipher is not a starting level player. Borom, on the other hand, looked like he had starting level ability, whether that is as a G or T. I'm not like some Bears fans and plugging him in for 5 years but he looked competent, especially within the context of being a rookie

I'd be ok if they decided both Jenkins and Borom were right side guys, as long as the evaluation was solid.

Founds the article I read...not sure where they got this from. Maybe completely off

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-b ... jUeCJyiCsA

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Is Harbaugh a failure if he doesn't win a Super Bowl in Minnesota or Miami?

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It's like you are honestly arguing that an immediate no from Harbaugh after a 2 minute phone conversation makes the Bears look better in regards to not getting him.
I'm not arguing this makes the Bears look better. Quite the opposite.

I'm simply saying that you and Bob are basically demanding that the Bears should have interviewed Harbaugh, and that's just not reality. If Harbaugh said no-- for whatever reason-- that is his prerogative and thus the Bears move on.

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Not sure if it's been mentioned, but M&H said it's likely he's bringing his entire defensive coaching staff from Indy as they are likely to be launched.


Yes, because Indy is changing its defensive scheme, which undermines Ballard's glowing endorsement of Eberflus.


I think Michael Lombardi also said it was a terrible hire from a defensive standpoint because his scheme is outdated. So they hired a defensive-minded coach whose defensive scheme is on the decline -- I guess the hope is that he's a better prospect as HC than he was as DC.

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Is Harbaugh a failure if he doesn't win a Super Bowl in Minnesota or Miami?


Every coaching hire is a failure if the result isn't a SuperBowl. I think the guy who would given us the best chance is the guy with a .690 winning % in the NFL and who is a known QB guru.


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RFDC wrote:
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Did reporters ask about Teven Jenkins?

I'm interested to see our new guys thoughts on both Fields and Jenkins. Their statements yesterday were superficial.

I would have thought a reporter would have asked where they see Jenkins as the answer to that question is almost as critical as Fields. If he is a LT, the heaviest of lifting in changing the line is complete. If he is a RT, I think that alters your off season entirely. If he is a G, then you don't need to sign Daniels. I'd be completely fine if there evaluation is different from Pace and Nagy.

I read something this morning that said the new guys were not impressed with Borom and Mustipher, and would consider moving Whithair back to center. It didnt really mention anything about Jenkins, but that has to be objective #1 for them regarding the line. Figure out what you have in Jenkins and go from there.


I'm not saying you are wrong but I'd like to see who is reporting the Borom/Mustipher news. They would not be a first press conference concern.

Mustipher is not a starting level player. Borom, on the other hand, looked like he had starting level ability, whether that is as a G or T. I'm not like some Bears fans and plugging him in for 5 years but he looked competent, especially within the context of being a rookie

I'd be ok if they decided both Jenkins and Borom were right side guys, as long as the evaluation was solid.

Founds the article I read...not sure where they got this from. Maybe completely off

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-b ... jUeCJyiCsA


Erik Lambert, the author of that article, is notoriously unreliable.

If he is getting his material from Da Bears Blog, though, then there is a much higher probability that his info is correct. The guy behind Da Bears Blog seems well connected and has been right about many of his recent assessments/prognostications regarding the team's direction. But he still doesn't get everything right.

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If Poles fixes the offensive line, then it will be a successful year one. Good lines tend to last longer than other parts of team, they help your QB, allow for plugging in any replacement RB, and can be done without a lot of cap hit or draft capital relative to other personnel groups.

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Is Harbaugh a failure if he doesn't win a Super Bowl in Minnesota or Miami?


Every coaching hire is a failure if the result isn't a SuperBowl.
By this logic, you are saying that the Bears should have hired a failure of a head coach.

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Not sure if it's been mentioned, but M&H said it's likely he's bringing his entire defensive coaching staff from Indy as they are likely to be launched.


Yes, because Indy is changing its defensive scheme, which undermines Ballard's glowing endorsement of Eberflus.


I think Michael Lombardi also said it was a terrible hire from a defensive standpoint because his scheme is outdated. So they hired a defensive-minded coach whose defensive scheme is on the decline -- I guess the hope is that he's a better prospect as HC than he was as DC.


Indy D numbers over the last 4 years don't support Lombardi's opinion. Also, I thought I read he was only in his base D something like 15% of the time.

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Is Harbaugh a failure if he doesn't win a Super Bowl in Minnesota or Miami?


Every coaching hire is a failure if the result isn't a SuperBowl.
By this logic, you are saying that the Bears should have hired a failure of a head coach.


No, I'm basically saying you should take a ton of fentanyl and go to sleep. Please.


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If Poles fixes the offensive line, then it will be a successful year one. Good lines tend to last longer than other parts of team, they help your QB, allow for plugging in any replacement RB, and can be done without a lot of cap hit or draft capital relative to other personnel groups.


Both the Bengals and Rams olines are average at best. In fact the Bengals oline is terrible.


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If Poles fixes the offensive line, then it will be a successful year one. Good lines tend to last longer than other parts of team, they help your QB, allow for plugging in any replacement RB, and can be done without a lot of cap hit or draft capital relative to other personnel groups.


Both the Bengals and Rams olines are average at best. In fact the Bengals oline is terrible.


Fair enough, but the Bears lack a first round pick and have limited cap space with tons of holes on the roster. The easiest and cheapest fix is to address the O line, which has the benefit of helping out every other part of the offense.

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Is Harbaugh a failure if he doesn't win a Super Bowl in Minnesota or Miami?


Every coaching hire is a failure if the result isn't a SuperBowl. I think the guy who would given us the best chance is the guy with a .690 winning % in the NFL and who is a known QB guru.


How many quarterbacks has he developed in Michigan?

Harbaugh was #1 on my list, but MANY of you all are overstating his abilities as a coach.

I don't think Eberflus would be a failure if he didn't win a SB in 4 years. The same expectations that a Harbaugh hire brings aren't there for a retooling with Eberflus.

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Not sure if it's been mentioned, but M&H said it's likely he's bringing his entire defensive coaching staff from Indy as they are likely to be launched.


Yes, because Indy is changing its defensive scheme, which undermines Ballard's glowing endorsement of Eberflus.


I think Michael Lombardi also said it was a terrible hire from a defensive standpoint because his scheme is outdated. So they hired a defensive-minded coach whose defensive scheme is on the decline -- I guess the hope is that he's a better prospect as HC than he was as DC.


Indy D numbers over the last 4 years don't support Lombardi's opinion. Also, I thought I read he was only in his base D something like 15% of the time.


I'm not sure about past seasons, but he was evidently base-heavy this season until Ballard told him he had to change his scheme because the Colts' defense was giving up a 71% completion rate to opposing offenses. At that point, Eberflus varied his looks and blitzed far more frequently.

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Is Harbaugh a failure if he doesn't win a Super Bowl in Minnesota or Miami?


Every coaching hire is a failure if the result isn't a SuperBowl. I think the guy who would given us the best chance is the guy with a .690 winning % in the NFL and who is a known QB guru.


How many quarterbacks has he developed in Michigan?

Harbaugh was #1 on my list, but MANY of you all are overstating his abilities as a coach.

I don't think Eberflus would be a failure if he didn't win a SB in 4 years. The same expectations that a Harbaugh hire brings aren't there for a retooling with Eberflus.


JJ McCarthy(Chicago guy) will be his best one. I wonder if he transfers now.


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Did reporters ask about Teven Jenkins?

I'm interested to see our new guys thoughts on both Fields and Jenkins. Their statements yesterday were superficial.

I would have thought a reporter would have asked where they see Jenkins as the answer to that question is almost as critical as Fields. If he is a LT, the heaviest of lifting in changing the line is complete. If he is a RT, I think that alters your off season entirely. If he is a G, then you don't need to sign Daniels. I'd be completely fine if there evaluation is different from Pace and Nagy.

I read something this morning that said the new guys were not impressed with Borom and Mustipher, and would consider moving Whithair back to center. It didnt really mention anything about Jenkins, but that has to be objective #1 for them regarding the line. Figure out what you have in Jenkins and go from there.


I'm not saying you are wrong but I'd like to see who is reporting the Borom/Mustipher news. They would not be a first press conference concern.

Mustipher is not a starting level player. Borom, on the other hand, looked like he had starting level ability, whether that is as a G or T. I'm not like some Bears fans and plugging him in for 5 years but he looked competent, especially within the context of being a rookie

I'd be ok if they decided both Jenkins and Borom were right side guys, as long as the evaluation was solid.

Founds the article I read...not sure where they got this from. Maybe completely off

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-b ... jUeCJyiCsA


Thanks. I would assume he is basing his opinions of Borom and Jenkins on his draft evaluations from last year rather than a deep dive of this year. Jenkins being a RT and Borom being a backup are straight from the majority of draft evaluations of each of those guys. Borom resculpted his body and game after his college season, but not in enough time for the combine. It sounds like Mustipher will be a backup, if on the team at all and LT will be the priority (if I'm inferring correctly).

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Nothing is guaranteed but if the Bears swung for the fences, history says Harbaugh comes in and immediately makes them a 10 win team, history says Harbaugh immediately comes in and makes Fields a top 10-12ish QB in the league(based on his work with Smith/Kaepernick). The move was obvious, just like it was obvious in 2013 we should have given the keys and money to this franchise to Andy Reid. But good luck with the Eberlouse crapshoot, a guy Indy appears happy to have leave, along with the rest of his staff. You know usually when a valued coordinator leaves, there is SOME fight back when he tries to poach staff to the new team. Indy is booking first class tickets for these guys to Chicago.


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It's like you are honestly arguing that an immediate no from Harbaugh after a 2 minute phone conversation makes the Bears look better in regards to not getting him.
I'm not arguing this makes the Bears look better. Quite the opposite.

I'm simply saying that you and Bob are basically demanding that the Bears should have interviewed Harbaugh, and that's just not reality. If Harbaugh said no-- for whatever reason-- that is his prerogative and thus the Bears move on.
It was acceptable that Harbaugh already had a deal in place with the Raiders when the Bears hired their coach. This is no longer the case.

There is no excuse to not get an interview with Harbaugh and "He didn't want to" is not a valid one either. There is a reason why Harbaugh didn't interview with the Bears. It wasn't just bad luck.

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There is no excuse to not get an interview with Harbaugh and "He didn't want to" is not a valid one either. There is a reason why Harbaugh didn't interview with the Bears. It wasn't just bad luck.
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Remember in 2004 when Lovie tried to get Marinelli for DC and was blocked? Teams that are happy with their scheme don't let coaches walk out the door as lateral moves. The polyana's can spin it all they want but its a huge red flag.


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Remember in 2004 when Lovie tried to get Marinelli for DC and was blocked? Teams that are happy with their scheme don't let coaches walk out the door as lateral moves. The polyana's can spin it all they want but its a huge red flag.


They can't block coaches as of 2020 IIRC. Also, Eberflus wasn't a Reich guy. He was hired before Reich. He was the DC choice of Josh McDaniels before he quit after 30 minutes as the Colts coach.

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Is Harbaugh a failure if he doesn't win a Super Bowl in Minnesota or Miami?


No. Speaking as a typical Vikings fan, we don't expect to win the Super Bowl. But, Harbaugh gives us a better chance to be competitive year in and year out when compared to the coordinators the Vikings are also interviewing.

Perhaps a unknown story for Chicago fans...

Lou Holtz was hired in the mid-1980s to be the Gophers football coach. After decades of losing, we finally had a top tier coach. Gophers fans were on fire. Holtz said that the only job he would leave Minnesota for was Ohio State. After two .500 seasons, he left for Notre Dame. One of the local sports columnists dubbed Holtz the 'Music Man' after the musical where the guy comes into River City, gets the locals all fired up, takes their money and sneaks out of town. Gopher fans were devastated and the team was bad for 20+ more years until first Jerry Kill and then PJ Fleck came to Minnesota. Could you blame Holtz for leaving for Notre Dame? No, but Gopher fans felt betrayed.

So Harbaugh possibly being hired as Vikings coach has a familiar ring to it. But, I'll take 3 or 4 years of Harbaugh if that's what it comes to, before he leaves for whatever would be next.

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Remember in 2004 when Lovie tried to get Marinelli for DC and was blocked? Teams that are happy with their scheme don't let coaches walk out the door as lateral moves. The polyana's can spin it all they want but its a huge red flag.


They can't block coaches as of 2020 IIRC. Also, Eberflus wasn't a Reich guy. He was hired before Reich. He was the DC choice of Josh McDaniels before he quit after 30 minutes as the Colts coach.


Ballard said that he gave Reich the option to hire his own DC after the McDaniels fiasco.

There is no question that Eberflus' scheme was faltering this season and he had to change it to stay afloat.

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Remember in 2004 when Lovie tried to get Marinelli for DC and was blocked? Teams that are happy with their scheme don't let coaches walk out the door as lateral moves. The polyana's can spin it all they want but its a huge red flag.


They can't block coaches as of 2020 IIRC. Also, Eberflus wasn't a Reich guy. He was hired before Reich. He was the DC choice of Josh McDaniels before he quit after 30 minutes as the Colts coach.


Ballard said that he gave Reich the option to hire his own DC after the McDaniels fiasco.

There is no question that Eberflus' scheme was faltering this season and he had to change it to stay afloat.


I believe it was you who posted the article about his willingness to be flexible when it came to his scheme. I think that is a winning attribute in a leader. Of course, he could suck in every other way.

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Remember in 2004 when Lovie tried to get Marinelli for DC and was blocked? Teams that are happy with their scheme don't let coaches walk out the door as lateral moves. The polyana's can spin it all they want but its a huge red flag.


They can't block coaches as of 2020 IIRC. Also, Eberflus wasn't a Reich guy. He was hired before Reich. He was the DC choice of Josh McDaniels before he quit after 30 minutes as the Colts coach.


Ballard said that he gave Reich the option to hire his own DC after the McDaniels fiasco.

There is no question that Eberflus' scheme was faltering this season and he had to change it to stay afloat.


I believe it was you who posted the article about his willingness to be flexible when it came to his scheme. I think that is a winning attribute in a leader.


He was told to be flexible by Ballard. It's unclear to me what will happen without that influence in Chicago.

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Remember in 2004 when Lovie tried to get Marinelli for DC and was blocked? Teams that are happy with their scheme don't let coaches walk out the door as lateral moves. The polyana's can spin it all they want but its a huge red flag.


They can't block coaches as of 2020 IIRC. Also, Eberflus wasn't a Reich guy. He was hired before Reich. He was the DC choice of Josh McDaniels before he quit after 30 minutes as the Colts coach.


Ballard said that he gave Reich the option to hire his own DC after the McDaniels fiasco.

There is no question that Eberflus' scheme was faltering this season and he had to change it to stay afloat.


I believe it was you who posted the article about his willingness to be flexible when it came to his scheme. I think that is a winning attribute in a leader.


He was told to be flexible by Ballard. It's unclear to me what will happen without that influence in Chicago.

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Remember in 2004 when Lovie tried to get Marinelli for DC and was blocked? Teams that are happy with their scheme don't let coaches walk out the door as lateral moves. The polyana's can spin it all they want but its a huge red flag.


They can't block coaches as of 2020 IIRC. Also, Eberflus wasn't a Reich guy. He was hired before Reich. He was the DC choice of Josh McDaniels before he quit after 30 minutes as the Colts coach.


Ballard said that he gave Reich the option to hire his own DC after the McDaniels fiasco.

There is no question that Eberflus' scheme was faltering this season and he had to change it to stay afloat.


but he did change it, and they finished as a top 10 defense. I think they were no worse than 17th and that was in his first year where they leapt from 27th (could be wrong on exacts and not researching).

being able to change in season is impressive and something this team lacked under nagy

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Remember in 2004 when Lovie tried to get Marinelli for DC and was blocked? Teams that are happy with their scheme don't let coaches walk out the door as lateral moves. The polyana's can spin it all they want but its a huge red flag.


They can't block coaches as of 2020 IIRC. Also, Eberflus wasn't a Reich guy. He was hired before Reich. He was the DC choice of Josh McDaniels before he quit after 30 minutes as the Colts coach.


Ballard said that he gave Reich the option to hire his own DC after the McDaniels fiasco.

There is no question that Eberflus' scheme was faltering this season and he had to change it to stay afloat.


but he did change it, and they finished as a top 10 defense. I think they were no worse than 17th and that was in his first year where they leapt from 27th (could be wrong on exacts and not researching).

being able to change in season is impressive and something this team lacked under nagy


It's a good sign that he successfully adjusted.

It's a bad sign that someone had to tell him the adjustment was necessary.

It's revealing that Ballard and Reich are jettisoning the remaining defensive coaching staff in Indy.

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Caller Bob wrote:
Remember in 2004 when Lovie tried to get Marinelli for DC and was blocked? Teams that are happy with their scheme don't let coaches walk out the door as lateral moves. The polyana's can spin it all they want but its a huge red flag.


They can't block coaches as of 2020 IIRC. Also, Eberflus wasn't a Reich guy. He was hired before Reich. He was the DC choice of Josh McDaniels before he quit after 30 minutes as the Colts coach.


Ballard said that he gave Reich the option to hire his own DC after the McDaniels fiasco.

There is no question that Eberflus' scheme was faltering this season and he had to change it to stay afloat.


but he did change it, and they finished as a top 10 defense. I think they were no worse than 17th and that was in his first year where they leapt from 27th (could be wrong on exacts and not researching).

being able to change in season is impressive and something this team lacked under nagy


It's a good sign that he successfully adjusted.

It's a bad sign that someone had to tell him the adjustment was necessary.

It's revealing that Ballard and Reich are jettisoning the remaining defensive coaching staff in Indy.


not everyone likes zone. It could just be a philosophical difference not over their ability to coach. Zone also helps to explain the completion % issue.

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