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Flores' problem should be specifically with a rule, while having good intentions, sets people up for this type of criticism. I believe he has a real beef with the Dolphins if what he says is true, but calling out the Giants as racists because he didn't get hired is a stretch.

While it may not be a violation of law, the Maras certainly showed their bad faith and incompetence. They're really reminiscent of the Wrigley family way back when. And while it isn't prima facie evidence, having exactly one or two games started by a Black man and no Black HC certainly suggests that they have more than a little bias.

And it's increasingly difficult to respect the organization.

Gonna disagree with you there. What bad faith did the Giants show Brian Flores? They had a list of coaching candidates, they each got their second interviews. It was 100% crystal clear to all of them that the Schoen/Daboll connection was going to be tough to overcome. Had they told Flores "Gee, look, lets not bother with this" who is to say he wouldn't have had similar issues with that, that they weren't giving him his moment to sell himself?


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Brian Flores said on CBS this morning he was humiliated walking into a sham interview he chose to go to knowing that it was a sham.

If they don’t get Gruden’s lawsuit thrown out, the NFL’s gonna end up paying Flores and him.

How hard will the league be quietly leaning on the McNair family to hire Flores now?



I'll be stunned if he ever becomes a head coach in the league again.

I actually disagree. There are a few team owners that have integrity. And want to win.

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Flores' problem should be specifically with a rule, while having good intentions, sets people up for this type of criticism. I believe he has a real beef with the Dolphins if what he says is true, but calling out the Giants as racists because he didn't get hired is a stretch.

While it may not be a violation of law, the Maras certainly showed their bad faith and incompetence. They're really reminiscent of the Wrigley family way back when. And while it isn't prima facie evidence, having exactly one or two games started by a Black man and no Black HC certainly suggests that they have more than a little bias.

And it's increasingly difficult to respect the organization.

Gonna disagree with you there. What bad faith did the Giants show Brian Flores? They had a list of coaching candidates, they each got their second interviews. It was 100% crystal clear to all of them that the Schoen/Daboll connection was going to be tough to overcome. Had they told Flores "Gee, look, lets not bother with this" who is to say he wouldn't have had similar issues with that, that they weren't giving him his moment to sell himself?

As you are a fan, I'm understanding your position. Especially since it was clear when they hired that GM. But it would've made more sense to say let's not bother with this. Even though they have only interviewed only one other Black candidate since the rule was implemented. :wink:

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Brian Flores said on CBS this morning he was humiliated walking into a sham interview he chose to go to knowing that it was a sham.

If they don’t get Gruden’s lawsuit thrown out, the NFL’s gonna end up paying Flores and him.

How hard will the league be quietly leaning on the McNair family to hire Flores now?



I'll be stunned if he ever becomes a head coach in the league again.

I actually disagree. There are a few team owners that have integrity. And want to win.

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Brian Flores said on CBS this morning he was humiliated walking into a sham interview he chose to go to knowing that it was a sham.

If they don’t get Gruden’s lawsuit thrown out, the NFL’s gonna end up paying Flores and him.

How hard will the league be quietly leaning on the McNair family to hire Flores now?



I'll be stunned if he ever becomes a head coach in the league again.

I actually disagree. There are a few team owners that have integrity. And want to win.

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Flores' problem should be specifically with a rule, while having good intentions, sets people up for this type of criticism. I believe he has a real beef with the Dolphins if what he says is true, but calling out the Giants as racists because he didn't get hired is a stretch.

While it may not be a violation of law, the Maras certainly showed their bad faith and incompetence. They're really reminiscent of the Wrigley family way back when. And while it isn't prima facie evidence, having exactly one or two games started by a Black man and no Black HC certainly suggests that they have more than a little bias.

And it's increasingly difficult to respect the organization.

Gonna disagree with you there. What bad faith did the Giants show Brian Flores? They had a list of coaching candidates, they each got their second interviews. It was 100% crystal clear to all of them that the Schoen/Daboll connection was going to be tough to overcome. Had they told Flores "Gee, look, lets not bother with this" who is to say he wouldn't have had similar issues with that, that they weren't giving him his moment to sell himself?

As you are a fan, I'm understanding your position. Especially since it was clear when they hired that GM. But it would've made more sense to say let's not bother with this. Even though they have only interviewed only one other Black candidate since the rule was implemented. :wink:

So, it is your opinion that Flores was not hired solely based on the color of his skin? Graham and Frazier too? Because John Mara is a racist?


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The owner offering 100k per loss isnt much different than Rothstein and blacksox scandal..maybe worse. I think this SOB needs to be forced to sell.

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The owner offering 100k per loss isnt much different than Rothstein and blacksox scandal..maybe worse. I think this SOB needs to be forced to sell.


Unless the owner is an absolute idiot, Flores won't have any physical proof. I don't think it's illegal to attempt to lose. In fact, we know teams are doing it all the time.

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I saw a clip of Flores on some CNN interview and it’s clear he views himself as a historical figure in this lawsuit. A lot of ‘damn the consequences, it’s my turn to act as a change agent’ type statements.

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man of few opinions wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
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man of few opinions wrote:
Flores' problem should be specifically with a rule, while having good intentions, sets people up for this type of criticism. I believe he has a real beef with the Dolphins if what he says is true, but calling out the Giants as racists because he didn't get hired is a stretch.

While it may not be a violation of law, the Maras certainly showed their bad faith and incompetence. They're really reminiscent of the Wrigley family way back when. And while it isn't prima facie evidence, having exactly one or two games started by a Black man and no Black HC certainly suggests that they have more than a little bias.

And it's increasingly difficult to respect the organization.

Gonna disagree with you there. What bad faith did the Giants show Brian Flores? They had a list of coaching candidates, they each got their second interviews. It was 100% crystal clear to all of them that the Schoen/Daboll connection was going to be tough to overcome. Had they told Flores "Gee, look, lets not bother with this" who is to say he wouldn't have had similar issues with that, that they weren't giving him his moment to sell himself?

As you are a fan, I'm understanding your position. Especially since it was clear when they hired that GM. But it would've made more sense to say let's not bother with this. Even though they have only interviewed only one other Black candidate since the rule was implemented. :wink:

So, it is your opinion that Flores was not hired solely based on the color of his skin? Graham and Frazier too? Because John Mara is a racist?

No, I think he's a boob with a very narrow and illogical hiring practice. And proof of a tilted system. And little integrity.

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The owner offering 100k per loss isnt much different than Rothstein and blacksox scandal..maybe worse. I think this SOB needs to be forced to sell.


Unless the owner is an absolute idiot, Flores won't have any physical proof. I don't think it's illegal to attempt to lose. In fact, we know teams are doing it all the time.

Most of the team owners seem to be absolute idiots. Even when they have a team in this year's Super Bowl.

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The owner offering 100k per loss isnt much different than Rothstein and blacksox scandal..maybe worse. I think this SOB needs to be forced to sell.


Unless the owner is an absolute idiot, Flores won't have any physical proof. I don't think it's illegal to attempt to lose. In fact, we know teams are doing it all the time.

I can’t imagine he made it up out of whole cloth, but it seems unlikely he’d have proof unless he actually received payment. They started out 0-7; at what point did the billionaire decide he needed to spend money on losing?

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Flores' problem should be specifically with a rule, while having good intentions, sets people up for this type of criticism. I believe he has a real beef with the Dolphins if what he says is true, but calling out the Giants as racists because he didn't get hired is a stretch.

While it may not be a violation of law, the Maras certainly showed their bad faith and incompetence. They're really reminiscent of the Wrigley family way back when. And while it isn't prima facie evidence, having exactly one or two games started by a Black man and no Black HC certainly suggests that they have more than a little bias.

And it's increasingly difficult to respect the organization.

Gonna disagree with you there. What bad faith did the Giants show Brian Flores? They had a list of coaching candidates, they each got their second interviews. It was 100% crystal clear to all of them that the Schoen/Daboll connection was going to be tough to overcome. Had they told Flores "Gee, look, lets not bother with this" who is to say he wouldn't have had similar issues with that, that they weren't giving him his moment to sell himself?

As you are a fan, I'm understanding your position. Especially since it was clear when they hired that GM. But it would've made more sense to say let's not bother with this. Even though they have only interviewed only one other Black candidate since the rule was implemented. :wink:

So, it is your opinion that Flores was not hired solely based on the color of his skin? Graham and Frazier too? Because John Mara is a racist?

No, I think he's a boob with a very narrow and illogical hiring practice. And proof of a tilted system. And little integrity.

Well i can't argue with his poor track record of hiring. I'm not buying the tilted system argument, and as I have no interactions with the Mara family I cannot speak on his integrity. All I know about him is that he meddles and has made bad decisions, which he openly admitted to prior to hiring Schoen.


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Strange thing is the Mara and Rooney families are related by marriage. That is why that actress is named Kate Mara. Her grandfather is old man Rooney or something.

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Regular Reader wrote:
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Flores' problem should be specifically with a rule, while having good intentions, sets people up for this type of criticism. I believe he has a real beef with the Dolphins if what he says is true, but calling out the Giants as racists because he didn't get hired is a stretch.

While it may not be a violation of law, the Maras certainly showed their bad faith and incompetence. They're really reminiscent of the Wrigley family way back when. And while it isn't prima facie evidence, having exactly one or two games started by a Black man and no Black HC certainly suggests that they have more than a little bias.

And it's increasingly difficult to respect the organization.

Gonna disagree with you there. What bad faith did the Giants show Brian Flores? They had a list of coaching candidates, they each got their second interviews. It was 100% crystal clear to all of them that the Schoen/Daboll connection was going to be tough to overcome. Had they told Flores "Gee, look, lets not bother with this" who is to say he wouldn't have had similar issues with that, that they weren't giving him his moment to sell himself?

As you are a fan, I'm understanding your position. Especially since it was clear when they hired that GM. But it would've made more sense to say let's not bother with this. Even though they have only interviewed only one other Black candidate since the rule was implemented. :wink:

So, it is your opinion that Flores was not hired solely based on the color of his skin? Graham and Frazier too? Because John Mara is a racist?

No, I think he's a boob with a very narrow and illogical hiring practice. And proof of a tilted system. And little integrity.


Mara had a black GM for ten years that never hired a black head coach, or signed Kapernick when the opportunity arose.

Hardly a tilted system in place there.

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Strange thing is the Mara and Rooney families are related by marriage. That is why that actress is named Kate Mara. Her grandfather is old man Rooney or something.



Probably more likely why her sister is named Rooney Mara.


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man of few opinions wrote:
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man of few opinions wrote:
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While it may not be a violation of law, the Maras certainly showed their bad faith and incompetence. They're really reminiscent of the Wrigley family way back when. And while it isn't prima facie evidence, having exactly one or two games started by a Black man and no Black HC certainly suggests that they have more than a little bias.

And it's increasingly difficult to respect the organization.

Gonna disagree with you there. What bad faith did the Giants show Brian Flores? They had a list of coaching candidates, they each got their second interviews. It was 100% crystal clear to all of them that the Schoen/Daboll connection was going to be tough to overcome. Had they told Flores "Gee, look, lets not bother with this" who is to say he wouldn't have had similar issues with that, that they weren't giving him his moment to sell himself?

As you are a fan, I'm understanding your position. Especially since it was clear when they hired that GM. But it would've made more sense to say let's not bother with this. Even though they have only interviewed only one other Black candidate since the rule was implemented. :wink:

So, it is your opinion that Flores was not hired solely based on the color of his skin? Graham and Frazier too? Because John Mara is a racist?

No, I think he's a boob with a very narrow and illogical hiring practice. And proof of a tilted system. And little integrity.


Mara had a black GM for ten years that never hired a black head coach, or signed Kapernick when the opportunity arose.

Hardly a tilted system in place there.

Am I supposed to ignore the last five years plus?

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I dont think anyone is asking you to do anything.

Ignoring five years is something. But then again, I'm predisposed to not care for NFL owners with limited exceptions.

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Strange thing is the Mara and Rooney families are related by marriage. That is why that actress is named Kate Mara. Her grandfather is old man Rooney or something.



Probably more likely why her sister is named Rooney Mara.


That’s the one I meant.

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Hue Jackson now claiming he was paid to tank games for the Browns in 2016 and 2017.

I'm waiting for Dale Sveum to come out and say Theo paid him a bonus to implement The Plan.

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After the rioting, and looting the NFL numbers are even worse.


The best television show just had the best playoffs ever.

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That may have been a Browns strategy for more than a decade.

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While it may not be a violation of law, the Maras certainly showed their bad faith and incompetence. They're really reminiscent of the Wrigley family way back when. And while it isn't prima facie evidence, having exactly one or two games started by a Black man and no Black HC certainly suggests that they have more than a little bias.

And it's increasingly difficult to respect the organization.

Gonna disagree with you there. What bad faith did the Giants show Brian Flores? They had a list of coaching candidates, they each got their second interviews. It was 100% crystal clear to all of them that the Schoen/Daboll connection was going to be tough to overcome. Had they told Flores "Gee, look, lets not bother with this" who is to say he wouldn't have had similar issues with that, that they weren't giving him his moment to sell himself?

As you are a fan, I'm understanding your position. Especially since it was clear when they hired that GM. But it would've made more sense to say let's not bother with this. Even though they have only interviewed only one other Black candidate since the rule was implemented. :wink:

So, it is your opinion that Flores was not hired solely based on the color of his skin? Graham and Frazier too? Because John Mara is a racist?

No, I think he's a boob with a very narrow and illogical hiring practice. And proof of a tilted system. And little integrity.


Mara had a black GM for ten years that never hired a black head coach, or signed Kapernick when the opportunity arose.

Hardly a tilted system in place there.

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Am I supposed to ignore the last five years plus?


You can make whatever assumption you want.

But my statements about Mara, Reese and who Reese hired and didn't hire are the facts, and not assumptions.

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Hue Jackson now claiming he was paid to tank games for the Browns in 2016 and 2017.

I'm waiting for Dale Sveum to come out and say Theo paid him a bonus to implement The Plan.


David Schula as well apparently. He hasn't coached in the NFL since 1996. How far will this go back?

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What's the latest on the Vikings coaching search Augie?


Going on hour 9 for the meeting. Some are saying that the play by play guy Paul Allen confirmed it on Twitter a few minutes ago. But, his post was a video saying "Whose got it better than us? Nobody!!!"

He did say that he didn't know anything yet. So, who knows.

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Brian Flores said on CBS this morning he was humiliated walking into a sham interview he chose to go to knowing that it was a sham.

If they don’t get Gruden’s lawsuit thrown out, the NFL’s gonna end up paying Flores and him.

How hard will the league be quietly leaning on the McNair family to hire Flores now?



I'll be stunned if he ever becomes a head coach in the league again.

I actually disagree. There are a few team owners that have integrity. And want to win.


Which ones?

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Brian Flores said on CBS this morning he was humiliated walking into a sham interview he chose to go to knowing that it was a sham.

If they don’t get Gruden’s lawsuit thrown out, the NFL’s gonna end up paying Flores and him.

How hard will the league be quietly leaning on the McNair family to hire Flores now?



I'll be stunned if he ever becomes a head coach in the league again.

I actually disagree. There are a few team owners that have integrity. And want to win.


Which ones?

I mean....the Patriots have won a ton. If you ignore the murderer wide receiver, the coaching staff illegally filming opposing teams and the owner that likes happy ending massage parlors....they have integrity.

I don't see much integrity with any sports owner. Some are just smart enough to not get busted.

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