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Not a great tweet but easiest way to share the giants calling Flores a liar.


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Not a great tweet but easiest way to share the giants calling Flores a liar.



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Don't you think the billionaires Flores attacked have people looking for dirt on him.

Will be interesting if any actual evidence comes out. Or, if Flores is untouchable in his position of power that simply accusations are all he needs to move the needle.

Interesting he breaks his story on the superbowl off weekend.

Has Larry broke down in tears yet faintly asking Herbie to cut to commercials while he composes himself to return to his unchallenged tirade?


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White people are the problem. Always.

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White people are the problem. Always.


we are supposed to just sit down and listen

and he gets to walk around thinking he just said something brilliant and correct as there is zero pushback

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Maybe he really is stupid.


Cameron Wolfe of NFL Network reports that “he spoke with a witness who said he heard Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offer former head coach Brian Flores $100,000 for every loss during the 2019 season.”
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-unn ... 15898.html

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White people are the problem. Always.


we are supposed to just sit down and listen

and he gets to walk around thinking he just said something brilliant and correct as there is zero pushback

Bomani seems racist

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Cameron Wolfe of NFL Network reports that “he spoke with a witness who said he heard Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offer former head coach Brian Flores $100,000 for every loss during the 2019 season.”
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-unn ... 15898.html

I’m sure Goodell has his best men investigating as we speak.

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Interesting take. Not 100% this hurts Flores, but he'd have to explain it in a cross examination probably...if his lawsuit goes to court.

https://www.outkick.com/brian-flores-cl ... practices/

In his suit, Flores is, in part, calling out the NFL’s hiring practices because black coaches have not been hired at a rate proportional to the NFL’s percentage of black players.

The coincidence in this is Flores himself was in a position to hire coaches during his three-year tenure as coach of the Dolphins. And his record hiring minorities is not stellar.

Consider:

Flores had 20 coaches on his 2021 coaching staff, with 15 of those white and five black.

Flores hired four offensive coordinators during his time with the Dolphins, including co-coordinators in 2021. Three of those four are white.

Flores hired four offensive line coaches during his tenure, and three of those four are white.

Flores hired two defensive coordinators during his time as head coach, one black and one white.

Flores hired four quarterback or assistant quarterback coaches during his three years, and three of those four are white, with Jim Caldwell the only exception. Caldwell, it should be noted, worked under Flores for a couple of months but departed before the 2019 season began, citing health issues.

Flores hired one special teams coordinator during his time as coach, that being Danny Crossman, who is white.

Maybe the coach claiming the NFL’s hiring practices are unfair should have addressed his own first.

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If I were Flores and his lawyer, I would be sure that I had evidence of all these statements. That's a lot of shit talking about people with money to burn.


How was the owner paying him $100k under the table for each loss? This lawsuit seems very fishy.

Really dumb question time…isn’t it against the law to throw professional sports games? Not just some NFL policy but if guys were being paid to lose, couldn’t they be prosecuted?


Were they working in conjunction with gamblers ala the Black Sox or Boston College point shaving (that story should have been in Goodfella's)? This is definitely attacking the integrity of the game. I forgot which national show was on last night...but the idea was floated on implementing what hockey and basketball do with a lotter for the NFL Draft. Baseball uses combined records over the past few years correct?

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Maybe he really is stupid.


Cameron Wolfe of NFL Network reports that “he spoke with a witness who said he heard Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offer former head coach Brian Flores $100,000 for every loss during the 2019 season.”
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-unn ... 15898.html

I’m sure Goodell has his best men investigating as we speak.


Did he make a disparaging remark about Lord Goodell?

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Interesting take. Not 100% this hurts Flores, but he'd have to explain it in a cross examination probably...if his lawsuit goes to court.

https://www.outkick.com/brian-flores-cl ... practices/

In his suit, Flores is, in part, calling out the NFL’s hiring practices because black coaches have not been hired at a rate proportional to the NFL’s percentage of black players.

The coincidence in this is Flores himself was in a position to hire coaches during his three-year tenure as coach of the Dolphins. And his record hiring minorities is not stellar.

Consider:

Flores had 20 coaches on his 2021 coaching staff, with 15 of those white and five black.


That's an interesting angle. I still don't see what the percentage of players being black has to do with the percentage of coaches being black, but yeah, it would be pretty embarrassing to explain why you did the same thing you are accusing others of doing. On the other hand, I don't know if that's a valid legal defense.

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Maybe he really is stupid.


Cameron Wolfe of NFL Network reports that “he spoke with a witness who said he heard Dolphins owner Stephen Ross offer former head coach Brian Flores $100,000 for every loss during the 2019 season.”
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-unn ... 15898.html


This report is total trash. Unnamed witness "confirms" dubious report.

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Interesting take. Not 100% this hurts Flores, but he'd have to explain it in a cross examination probably...if his lawsuit goes to court.

https://www.outkick.com/brian-flores-cl ... practices/

In his suit, Flores is, in part, calling out the NFL’s hiring practices because black coaches have not been hired at a rate proportional to the NFL’s percentage of black players.

The coincidence in this is Flores himself was in a position to hire coaches during his three-year tenure as coach of the Dolphins. And his record hiring minorities is not stellar.

Consider:

Flores had 20 coaches on his 2021 coaching staff, with 15 of those white and five black.


That's an interesting angle. I still don't see what the percentage of players being black has to do with the percentage of coaches being black, but yeah, it would be pretty embarrassing to explain why you did the same thing you are accusing others of doing. On the other hand, I don't know if that's a valid legal defense.



Flores has made allegations and now sued the NFL. He has to prove his case.

His own actions make that more difficult. And skin color aside, the amount of coaches HE hired and fired in three years will be the most damning thing against him.

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Interesting take. Not 100% this hurts Flores, but he'd have to explain it in a cross examination probably...if his lawsuit goes to court.

https://www.outkick.com/brian-flores-cl ... practices/

In his suit, Flores is, in part, calling out the NFL’s hiring practices because black coaches have not been hired at a rate proportional to the NFL’s percentage of black players.

The coincidence in this is Flores himself was in a position to hire coaches during his three-year tenure as coach of the Dolphins. And his record hiring minorities is not stellar.

Consider:

Flores had 20 coaches on his 2021 coaching staff, with 15 of those white and five black.


That's an interesting angle. I still don't see what the percentage of players being black has to do with the percentage of coaches being black, but yeah, it would be pretty embarrassing to explain why you did the same thing you are accusing others of doing. On the other hand, I don't know if that's a valid legal defense.



Flores has made allegations and now sued the NFL. He has to prove his case.

His own actions make that more difficult. And skin color aside, the amount of coaches HE hired and fired in three years will be the most damning thing against him.


I would be interested to know the coaching assistant turnover rate in the NFL. Has to be under 3 years and probably less then 2.

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Flores had 20 coaches on his 2021 coaching staff, with 15 of those white and five black.

Flores hired four offensive coordinators during his time with the Dolphins, including co-coordinators in 2021. Three of those four are white.

Flores hired four offensive line coaches during his tenure, and three of those four are white.

Flores hired two defensive coordinators during his time as head coach, one black and one white.

Flores hired four quarterback or assistant quarterback coaches during his three years, and three of those four are white, with Jim Caldwell the only exception. Caldwell, it should be noted, worked under Flores for a couple of months but departed before the 2019 season began, citing health issues.

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Interesting take. Not 100% this hurts Flores, but he'd have to explain it in a cross examination probably...if his lawsuit goes to court.

https://www.outkick.com/brian-flores-cl ... practices/

In his suit, Flores is, in part, calling out the NFL’s hiring practices because black coaches have not been hired at a rate proportional to the NFL’s percentage of black players.

The coincidence in this is Flores himself was in a position to hire coaches during his three-year tenure as coach of the Dolphins. And his record hiring minorities is not stellar.

Consider:

Flores had 20 coaches on his 2021 coaching staff, with 15 of those white and five black.


That's an interesting angle. I still don't see what the percentage of players being black has to do with the percentage of coaches being black, but yeah, it would be pretty embarrassing to explain why you did the same thing you are accusing others of doing. On the other hand, I don't know if that's a valid legal defense.



Flores has made allegations and now sued the NFL. He has to prove his case.

His own actions make that more difficult. And skin color aside, the amount of coaches HE hired and fired in three years will be the most damning thing against him.


I imagine the NFL doesn't want something like this going to trial. Maybe Flores doesn't have receipts for anything that he's claiming, but I would be shocked if no ones had receipts. This is something that dolphin's friends are expecting others to sign onto.

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If I were Flores and his lawyer, I would be sure that I had evidence of all these statements. That's a lot of shit talking about people with money to burn.


How was the owner paying him $100k under the table for each loss? This lawsuit seems very fishy.

Really dumb question time…isn’t it against the law to throw professional sports games? Not just some NFL policy but if guys were being paid to lose, couldn’t they be prosecuted?


Were they working in conjunction with gamblers ala the Black Sox or Boston College point shaving (that story should have been in Goodfella's)? This is definitely attacking the integrity of the game. I forgot which national show was on last night...but the idea was floated on implementing what hockey and basketball do with a lotter for the NFL Draft. Baseball uses combined records over the past few years correct?


I don't think there is a law against throwing professional sports games.There definitely are laws against commercial bribery (like the payola scandal or that scandal involving the NBA ref), but that's not what's happening here. This is more like a perverse compensation structure than anything else.


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White people are the problem. Always.


we are supposed to just sit down and listen

and he gets to walk around thinking he just said something brilliant and correct as there is zero pushback

Bomani seems racist


If it wasn't sit down and listen time, one of the hosts might have asked how it can only be exclusively whities fault when at least two new african american general managers, both of whom claimed autonomy in hiring a new head coach BOTH chose white head coaches. One of them didn't even have a black head coach as a finalist.

The real fuck of it is, people will take his unresponded to take as gospel and I promise you I will hear him on 1000 on some low end shift this weekend spouting the same thing. In fact, I heard him saying the same shit a couple of weeks ago on the radio. Simple answers for simple people.

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White people are the problem. Always.


we are supposed to just sit down and listen

and he gets to walk around thinking he just said something brilliant and correct as there is zero pushback

Bomani seems racist


If it wasn't sit down and listen time, one of the hosts might have asked how it can only be exclusively whities fault when at least two new african american general managers, both of whom claimed autonomy in hiring a new head coach BOTH chose white head coaches. One of them didn't even have a black head coach as a finalist.

The real fuck of it is, people will take his unresponded to take as gospel and I promise you I will hear him on 1000 on some low end shift this weekend spouting the same thing. In fact, I heard him saying the same shit a couple of weeks ago on the radio. Simple answers for simple people.


It's convenient to point out what 2 minority GM's recently did when talking about a decades long problem.

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Is it a problem that NFL rosters don't mirror the demographics of the country? The idea that the most recent hires shouldn't be included in the conversation is ridiculous. Then again facts don't matter when there is a narrative to push.

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Is it a problem that NFL rosters don't mirror the demographics of the country? The idea that the most recent hires shouldn't be included in the conversation is ridiculous. Then again facts don't matter when there is a narrative to push.


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Interesting take. Not 100% this hurts Flores, but he'd have to explain it in a cross examination probably...if his lawsuit goes to court.

https://www.outkick.com/brian-flores-cl ... practices/

In his suit, Flores is, in part, calling out the NFL’s hiring practices because black coaches have not been hired at a rate proportional to the NFL’s percentage of black players.

The coincidence in this is Flores himself was in a position to hire coaches during his three-year tenure as coach of the Dolphins. And his record hiring minorities is not stellar.

Consider:

Flores had 20 coaches on his 2021 coaching staff, with 15 of those white and five black.


That's an interesting angle. I still don't see what the percentage of players being black has to do with the percentage of coaches being black, but yeah, it would be pretty embarrassing to explain why you did the same thing you are accusing others of doing. On the other hand, I don't know if that's a valid legal defense.


Nas makes a good point about decades long problem. But five years ago there more black head coaches than now. So there must be a ebb and flow low many stats.

To your point about correlation between percentages of black players and coaches it’s nonsense. There is no know stat of the percentage of players that play(ed) even want to coach. Seems that on the surface higher level and star player sure don’t seem to want to coach. There are probably more white third string players like QBs that may want to coach because they learn sitting? No idea.

I would say people should consider it a progression or a win if it was correlating to the popular rather than league athletes.

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I hope your day is going well.


It's been a decades long problem so it's convenient that you bring up today.

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White people are the problem. Always.


we are supposed to just sit down and listen

and he gets to walk around thinking he just said something brilliant and correct as there is zero pushback

Bomani seems racist


If it wasn't sit down and listen time, one of the hosts might have asked how it can only be exclusively whities fault when at least two new african american general managers, both of whom claimed autonomy in hiring a new head coach BOTH chose white head coaches. One of them didn't even have a black head coach as a finalist.

The real fuck of it is, people will take his unresponded to take as gospel and I promise you I will hear him on 1000 on some low end shift this weekend spouting the same thing. In fact, I heard him saying the same shit a couple of weeks ago on the radio. Simple answers for simple people.


It's convenient to point out what 2 minority GM's recently did when talking about a decades long problem.


Listen to the question and the response and then try to debate my point.

You have two instances where white people weren't involved in the process and there was the same result. I don't believe you if you say that didn't raise your eyebrow. It certainly did mine, especially with the Bears doing everything in their power and with sincerity to hire an african american candidate

I'll grant you and agree with you 100% on everything before 2022. In 2022 you had a moment, with two people who are entirely in agreement with increased minority hiring of coaches and who had the power to do something about it but they did not. It was the right time, with the right people and nothing changed. You cannot dispute that and he cannot just yell "WHITE PEOPLE". At lease acknowledge and yell "WHITE PEOPLE and Poles and Adofo-Mensah.

If the Vikings, Bears and Jags make minority hires, the entire narrative makes a 180 degree turn to "NFL recognized a problem and has taken the first steps to correct it"

We've talked about it before, change happens slowly and then is punctuated by moments where a big step occurs. We just missed an opportunity for a big step.

and I don't want to make it sound like I blame those guys. They are young and making a huge decision with maybe 7 days of time in a whirlwind of excitement over their own hiring. My guess is if they are lucky enough to hire again, they would highly prioritize minority hiring.

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White people are the problem. Always.


we are supposed to just sit down and listen

and he gets to walk around thinking he just said something brilliant and correct as there is zero pushback

Bomani seems racist


If it wasn't sit down and listen time, one of the hosts might have asked how it can only be exclusively whities fault when at least two new african american general managers, both of whom claimed autonomy in hiring a new head coach BOTH chose white head coaches. One of them didn't even have a black head coach as a finalist.

The real fuck of it is, people will take his unresponded to take as gospel and I promise you I will hear him on 1000 on some low end shift this weekend spouting the same thing. In fact, I heard him saying the same shit a couple of weeks ago on the radio. Simple answers for simple people.

There will never be push back from LeBatard or his people there.

It’s disappointing to me what the show has turned into.

I haven’t listened in a long long time.

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There really isn't much else to say about Flores. And while it isn't surprising that the really wealthy continue gaming the system, finding out that each team gets a quarter billion dollar tax cut is obscene.

In an era where tech and media companies are being demonized, it's far worse that crap like this occurs.

Eight billion a year could go so much farther in veteran and pre-k benefit spending.

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There really isn't much else to say about Flores. And while it isn't surprising that the really wealthy continue gaming the system, finding out that each team gets a quarter billion dollar tax cut is obscene.

In an era where tech and media companies are being demonized, it's far worse that crap like this occurs.

Eight billion a year could go so much farther in veteran and pre-k benefit spending.

I hadn’t seen that. Why do they get tax cuts?

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Interesting take. Not 100% this hurts Flores, but he'd have to explain it in a cross examination probably...if his lawsuit goes to court.

https://www.outkick.com/brian-flores-cl ... practices/

In his suit, Flores is, in part, calling out the NFL’s hiring practices because black coaches have not been hired at a rate proportional to the NFL’s percentage of black players.

The coincidence in this is Flores himself was in a position to hire coaches during his three-year tenure as coach of the Dolphins. And his record hiring minorities is not stellar.

Consider:

Flores had 20 coaches on his 2021 coaching staff, with 15 of those white and five black.


That's an interesting angle. I still don't see what the percentage of players being black has to do with the percentage of coaches being black, but yeah, it would be pretty embarrassing to explain why you did the same thing you are accusing others of doing. On the other hand, I don't know if that's a valid legal defense.



Flores has made allegations and now sued the NFL. He has to prove his case.

His own actions make that more difficult. And skin color aside, the amount of coaches HE hired and fired in three years will be the most damning thing against him.

If those numbers are true about who Flores hired ( or better yet didn’t ) he should shut the fuck up. Be the change or something .

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