I hadn't known about it or why until yesterday's congressional hearing.

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I don't think most successful players want to go into coaching either. It's a tireless and thankless job. The less successful players are constantly trying to get into coaching though. Looking around the league, it appears that most head coaches aren't former NFL players. They are either former college players or NFL royalty.

I could be mistaken, but it appears the NFL has the highest turnover rate when it comes to head coaches. Even the greatest coaches in the league were fired once. Therefore, by accident, more than 1 coach in the NFL should be black and more than 15 should have been in the 100+ years the league has existed.

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Any highlights? Ironically, when I google it all I get are stories about trump threatening an NFL tax break from 4yrs ago (that’s either true or false depending which fact check site I click).

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I did that before I initially responded to you.

Yes, we've seen 2 blacks get hired as GM recently. To use their hires as somewhat of an excuse for the historical hiring process is convenient and absolutely ridiculous. That is my view, you disagree. You and I both know, neither Poles or the Vikings guy got to pick "their guy". If they did, Harbaugh would be the coach in Minnesota because he was the best guy available and Poles would have interviewed folks that Polian hadn't already made finalists. Poles was given the choice to hire an old ass black coach for a rebuild or 2 significantly younger white coaches. He rightly chose one of the younger white coaches.

You are still somewhat of a minority in this country. You should know that getting your foot in the door doesn't mean that you instantly get to hire your friends or family or people simply because you share the same ethnicity. You still have to "play the game". Your success will determine if you can make future changes.

We are just a few decades removed from Al Campanis and Jimmy the Greek going on national television and saying that blacks weren't smart enough to have leadership jobs in sports. We're just a couple decades removed from black college quarterbacks needing to change positions in the NFL. Change comes slow to the NFL. Even when they acknowledge there is an issue.

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Flores saying Bill B had an influence on the Giants decision.
Hub's been intimating Flores is damaged goods since the Dolphin's fired him. He knows more than he's saying.

It's not an excuse. I entirely agree the NFL has a problem. I think the NFL recognizes it has a problem

and yes, I agree with the belief that they didn't have the autonomy everyone in the media and their front offices scream that they had

but almost by definition their presence eliminates the simple "WHITE PEOPLE" glib answer Jones gives. You can't just dismiss those two instances where it wasn't just WHITE PEOPLE

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Arkush has been in cya mode since his stupid public pronouncement about Rodgers. He has zero credibility. But that's been obvious for decades.

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The lame garbage spewed by the NFL and it's supporters for decades only leaves room for "glib" answers now. The NFL has been screeching the same bullshit for years, but we're supposed to respect clowns like Polian, Ross and Mara still. Or their constantly aggrieved fans?

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I read somewhere yesterday that Poles said he was asked by the Bears if there was anyone else he wanted to interview and he said no. This after years of people complaining that Bieniemy is getting passed over for jobs. Keyshawn went as far to say that even if Bieniemy not good at interviewing, give him the job. But, Poles says he wasn't a fit...and no one in the Chicago media had a follow-up question?

I get that's just one example with one coach. But, it seems glaring to me. I can only think that Poles is trying to save face in lieu of the Vikings GM bring additional candidates in. Otherwise, why not interview the OC for the hottest QB in the NFL and oh, he also happens to be black.

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I could not dispute that their hires are significant progress. I would argue they were more important than any coaching hire.

The only area where it appears that you and I disagree is the significance of their hires when it comes to hiring minority coaches this cycle.

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Bieniemy has major personal baggage, he doesn't interview well and no one would belief that he's more important than Reid when it comes to the Chiefs success. That being said, being close to a successful coach has worked well for MANY recent hires. They just don't have to explain multiple domestic violence incidents.

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You cannot just say that these two most recent examples don't exist.

I'm not concerned that Ozzie Newsom never hired an african american head coach.

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The NFL does not want a trial, which is why I said earlier that I think that they will settle.

But in three years Flores had 4 O Line coaches, 4 QB coaches and 4 Offensive coordinators.

I originally thought he would be a good coach for the Bears. Somehow he makes Jim Harbaugh look sane and reasonable.

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Ozzie isn't concerned either.

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Someone at some point will have an off the record discussion about their decisions with a hope that it may be different next time. Nobody is being overly vocal about it because its not the proper time.

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But the riot & looting condoning media. Their credibility is still solid to you I'm sure.

He's a Belichick guy, I immediately thought there was truth to some of the things that were alleged by the Dolphins. That's not the best personality for a retooling.

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I wouldn't be surprised it there was a motion to dismiss.

I haven't and won't read the whole thing but the suit itself seems kind of amateurish. Take everything stated in the suit as true and I'm not sure it proves a claim.

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It seems pretty obvious that the Giants did an interview because of the Rooney Rule. Like TM has said, that isn't discrimination in an of itself.

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I think they covered that with Frazier and his initial interview BEFORE Schoen was hired. I think he's rightly pissed about the 2nd interview. They knew they had already made the call on Daboll. Bringing him in was just for show. Regardless of race, no one wants to experience that after a 1st interview.

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How is that obvious? The giants interviewed Patrick graham for a second time days before Flores stepped foot in New Jersey. They didn’t need an interview with Flores to fill the Rooney Rule quota. And they interviewed Leslie Frazier twice too.

I wonder if it would break some kind of rules for NFL corporate to attempt to put together a majority minority ownership group in preparation for the next sale.

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It would be nice if the top and second tier players suddenly refused to play for Mara and Ross' teams. That's about the only way change is going to happen.

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As far as the Giants go, I dont think anyone would notice based on recent results. But yes, clearly it has been demonstrated that the Giants front office including their brand new GM are racists requiring the team to walk off the job.

97 years, no Black HC and what one game started by a Black QB? Not necessarily racist, but oddly insular.

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It is true that they have not had a black head coach, but they did have a black GM for 10 years, but since Eli was drafted they haven't exactly been in the market for QB's either, and at that time i am sure there were other teams that could also make the claim. And none of this changes that nothing the Giants did during this hiring cycle indicates they wronged Brian Flores in any way.

Wronged him? No. It was bullshit to call him and Graham in for a 2nd interview when they had already made the call on Daboll. The purpose of the show interviews were race based. They also were possibly beneficial to both candidates even though they were bullshit.

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I will say a lot of this could be cleared up by Bill Belichick. Everyone who interviewed for the Giants job (regardless of skin color) knew Brian Daboll was the obvious front-runner and would have to blow the Giants away to get that job.

I'm not arguing that, simply noting that it would be nice and effective for players not playing for guys who don't seem to respect anyone outside of their bubble.

Similar to the Texans. And I sit here hoping that my team can hire Leftwich or Bienemy.

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I thought Schoen may have preferred Flores. I said so before this lawsuit. I thought ownership's comments made it clear they weren't interested in trading for a guy like Watson and that eliminated Flores from the equation.

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