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If ticket sales are not bringing in the revenue they are supposed to then the owners should be open for any suggestions to make the game more enjoyable.

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I'm feeling the same way now like I did when they striked in 94. Fuck baseball. Don't care anymore.


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How would it enable the frustrating play?

I think if anything it would help bring a little more balance.

It won't cut Ks, it won't change swinging for the fences every AB, or launch angle. Most of all, it won't change the cookie cutter approach to offenses.

Let the shift play itself out because it might just be a blessing in disguise.


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I don’t think the 3 outcome would be as emphasized as it is now with limiting the shift.

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If ticket sales are not bringing in the revenue they are supposed to then the owners should be open for any suggestions to make the game more enjoyable.

What if Baltimore went into Tampa in early April and swept them by bunting them to death. Would that be news? Would that be a breath of fresh air?


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It would be monumental for sure

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I don’t think the 3 outcome would be as emphasized as it is now with limiting the shift.

The shift is EXPOSING the 3 outcome. By banning it, you are effectively endorsing the 3 outcome.


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bunting them to death
But first, Ugu!

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I don’t think the 3 outcome would be as emphasized as it is now with limiting the shift.

The shift is EXPOSING the 3 outcome. By banning it, you are effectively endorsing the 3 outcome.

I just don’t agree

If more players are swinging for singles and doubles rather than HRs that’s a good thing ImO.

Limiting the shift would emphasize that type of swing as opposed to swinging for dingers every at bat.

Maybe I’m the dummy tho

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I wouldn't mind baseball tweaking or adjusting rules like football does. Giving managers limits could add strategy, for more tension and excitement.

Manfred's man on 2nd was too drastic.

I'll like universal DH. The 3 batter minimum for relievers was brilliant to counterbalance crazy Joe's using 8 pitchers in 2-1 games.

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I don’t think the 3 outcome would be as emphasized as it is now with limiting the shift.

The shift is EXPOSING the 3 outcome. By banning it, you are effectively endorsing the 3 outcome.

I just don’t agree

If more players are swinging for singles and doubles rather than HRs that’s a good thing ImO.

Limiting the shift would emphasize that type of swing as opposed to swinging for dingers every at bat.

Maybe I’m the dummy tho

No, maybe I'm the dummy. I just feel if you want innovation, the quickest way to adjust is take what's in front of you and figure it out. Don't take the easy way out by dulling the already overused cookie cutter.


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solving things that aren't really problems in MLB. The shift is not your problem. The game is dying because the pace of play sucks ass. That has nothing to do with the shift. It's TV Add timeouts and pitching changes. There are other things, but that's your biggest culprit.

Taking time out to watch 7 pitchers throw warm-ups is an automatic PTFB for many people.

Frank said it. You want to stop the shift? Doesn't have to be a bunt, but put the ball in play opposite field and that's the end of it. Of course it's not easy....but these guys are professionals and can do things most of us find unimaginable. They could do it. They choose not to. Baseball Organizations choose not to as well.

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The shift is part of the pace of play problem because for some it encourage the K, BB, HR outcomes.

Drop a few bunts to get rid of the shift, call the rule book strike zone, and watch the pace of play improve immediately.

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solving things that aren't really problems in MLB. The shift is not your problem. The game is dying because the pace of play sucks ass. That has nothing to do with the shift. It's TV Add timeouts and pitching changes. There are other things, but that's your biggest culprit.

Taking time out to watch 7 pitchers throw warm-ups is an automatic PTFB for many people.

Frank said it. You want to stop the shift? Doesn't have to be a bunt, but put the ball in play opposite field and that's the end of it. Of course it's not easy....but these guys are professionals and can do things most of us find unimaginable. They could do it. They choose not to. Baseball Organizations choose not to as well.

Balls in play is less due to Ks and BBs. But yes, the ball scratching and batting glove adjusting, the amount of dead ball time, is the bigger problem.


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Don't forget that when the shift is on, the batter is seeing a lot of inside pitches to try and get him to pull it into the shift.

It's one thing to bunt a pitch down the middle or on the outside corner, but I would have to think that bunting 97 navel-high on the inside is rather challenging even for some of the better bunters in the game.

correct. It's not easy and while it is doable for some, it's not for others. catching a ball with a glove is not similar to catching a ball with a bat. That's just not true.

What's needed is a pitch clock. Pace of play would change greatly with that.

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If teams aren’t willing to bunt en masse then a change needs to be forced.

I just don’t see MLB emphasizing bunting over the 3 outcome.

Big dub is right pace of play has been a major issue with baseball since the Information Age has accelerated, but the shift is only speeding up the death of the game ImO.

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I don’t think the 3 outcome would be as emphasized as it is now with limiting the shift.

The shift is EXPOSING the 3 outcome. By banning it, you are effectively endorsing the 3 outcome.

that is true.

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Also, let’s not forget the banning of in game video for players made a lot of guys worse at hitting all of a sudden.

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I believe the only way to fix strikeouts is to move the mound back, in professional baseball. It seems every pitcher throws 98 + and they have wipe out pitches besides that. That shit is damn near impossible to hit for the large majority.

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I don’t think the 3 outcome would be as emphasized as it is now with limiting the shift.

The shift is EXPOSING the 3 outcome. By banning it, you are effectively endorsing the 3 outcome.

that is true.

How is that true when limiting (not banning) the shift would allow players to swing for actual base hits?

This is not endorsing the 3 outcome

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I don’t think the 3 outcome would be as emphasized as it is now with limiting the shift.

The shift is EXPOSING the 3 outcome. By banning it, you are effectively endorsing the 3 outcome.

that is true.

How is that true when limiting (not banning) the shift would allow players to swing for actual base hits?

This is not endorsing the 3 outcome

I would think that making more holes would add to the number of outcomes. Your 3 true outcome guy may have 4 outcomes. He may have 5…hell, depending on speed, he could even have 6.

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Don't forget that when the shift is on, the batter is seeing a lot of inside pitches to try and get him to pull it into the shift.

It's one thing to bunt a pitch down the middle or on the outside corner, but I would have to think that bunting 97 navel-high on the inside is rather challenging even for some of the better bunters in the game.

correct. It's not easy and while it is doable for some, it's not for others. catching a ball with a glove is not similar to catching a ball with a bat. That's just not true.

What's needed is a pitch clock. Pace of play would change greatly with that.

What's hard is hitting. Bunting is easy. The mechanics to catching a ball are similar. That's why the hand is up the bat. It's doable for me, it's doable for you, and it's certainly doable for great hitters with great eyes and great hand/eye coordination. It's silly to say it's not doable for a MLB hitter. These guys are at Driveline working on every conceivable trick from stance to load to drive to swing phase to get square contact and you're going to tell me bunting is hard????


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City of Fools wrote:
Nardi wrote:
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I don’t think the 3 outcome would be as emphasized as it is now with limiting the shift.

The shift is EXPOSING the 3 outcome. By banning it, you are effectively endorsing the 3 outcome.

that is true.

How is that true when limiting (not banning) the shift would allow players to swing for actual base hits?

This is not endorsing the 3 outcome

I would think that making more holes would add to the number of outcomes. Your 3 true outcome guy may have 4 outcomes. He may have 5…hell, depending on speed, he could even have 6.

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Don't forget that when the shift is on, the batter is seeing a lot of inside pitches to try and get him to pull it into the shift.

It's one thing to bunt a pitch down the middle or on the outside corner, but I would have to think that bunting 97 navel-high on the inside is rather challenging even for some of the better bunters in the game.

correct. It's not easy and while it is doable for some, it's not for others. catching a ball with a glove is not similar to catching a ball with a bat. That's just not true.

What's needed is a pitch clock. Pace of play would change greatly with that.

What's hard is hitting. Bunting is easy. The mechanics to catching a ball are similar. That's why the hand is up the bat. It's doable for me, it's doable for you, and it's certainly doable for great hitters with great eyes and great hand/eye coordination. It's silly to say it's not doable for a MLB hitter. These guys are at Driveline working on every conceivable trick from stance to load to drive to swing phase to get square contact and you're going to tell me bunting is hard????

yes, I'm telling you that. I'm not going to pull a Hub and ask you where you played though.

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City of Fools wrote:
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City of Fools wrote:
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Don't forget that when the shift is on, the batter is seeing a lot of inside pitches to try and get him to pull it into the shift.

It's one thing to bunt a pitch down the middle or on the outside corner, but I would have to think that bunting 97 navel-high on the inside is rather challenging even for some of the better bunters in the game.

correct. It's not easy and while it is doable for some, it's not for others. catching a ball with a glove is not similar to catching a ball with a bat. That's just not true.

What's needed is a pitch clock. Pace of play would change greatly with that.

What's hard is hitting. Bunting is easy. The mechanics to catching a ball are similar. That's why the hand is up the bat. It's doable for me, it's doable for you, and it's certainly doable for great hitters with great eyes and great hand/eye coordination. It's silly to say it's not doable for a MLB hitter. These guys are at Driveline working on every conceivable trick from stance to load to drive to swing phase to get square contact and you're going to tell me bunting is hard????

yes, I'm telling you that. I'm not going to pull a Hub and ask you where you played though.

If bunting isn't doable for you, I would suggest not even bothering to actually swing a bat. Good move not asking my experience.


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Pace of play doesn’t make me change the channel.

Seeing a shift makes me change the channel.

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You know what can save baseball? More bunting.

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Pace of play doesn’t make me change the channel.

Seeing a shift makes me change the channel.


Then you are probably never really going to be a baseball fan.

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Pace of play doesn’t make me change the channel.

Seeing a shift makes me change the channel.

:lol: Who you crappin'? you watch about an inning and a half a year.


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