I grew up watching bad Cubs baseball.

A lot of bad Cubs baseball.

I tapped out after sweet Lou, and then got interested again around 2014.

Watched a lot of games from 2016-2018, and then my interest has tapered out since then.

I cannot stand the shift, and the lack of base hit driven rallies in the game I grew up watching.

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I quit baseball in 1994 because of the greed of the owners.
I'm quitting baseball in 2022 because of the greed of the players.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You quit baseball when you thought there were 4 lockouts when there were actually 3.

I mean if the shift isn’t solved then I probably won’t be a diehard baseball fan again tbh.

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It is hard for me to fathom someone having that strong of a reaction to something like the shift.

It is a defensive alignment, nothing more. It would be like an NFL fan saying if they dont outlaw zone coverage I am going to leave the game forever.

It comes off to me like you are just looking for an excuse to leave the game. And thats fine, it is not for everyone.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

If we ban the shift in MLB, I suggest we seriously consider outlawing the blitz in the NFL or the full court press in basketball.

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I don’t agree with your analogy.

One can only handle so much hitting into the shift, and bad Cubs baseball.

It is true I had difficulty watching enough baseball with the absurd amount of hours I work, but then having a kid has made it even more challenging.

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I’m all for limiting the shift

Not banning it

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I've heard the shift compared to not having the 3 second rule in basketball. That the game will just blossom like a flower by banning it.

I'm really interested in hearing how this is the players fault. Owners are making money on their investments and yet the players shouldn't benefit from it in some way?

Watch more minor league ball. Far less shifting.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

Not a bad idea Chet.

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if they want to ban the shift, technically holding a runner on at first would have to go too. And playing in at the corners for a bunt.

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'Your AT&T Universal Card has arrived'? Oh God, Kick-fucking-ass, I got a Master Card! I don't believe it, man. Life is kinda cool sometimes.

Ive decided that I'm not going to renew my MLB.TV subscription when the lockout ends. Most of my favorite TV PBP guys have retired or died, the Cubs are unlikely to play meaningful games, and I'll be content listening to radio feeds - Cubs, White Sox, Giants, Brewers home games with Uecker, Mets (the amazing Howie Rose), Dodgers and the Rays.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

Can't play shallow in the grass with runner at third either....no, no....that might prevent a run from scoring.

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Have they proposed banning the shift?

I haven’t been paying attention too closely.

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“If you think about it, let’s just say you regulate the shift by requiring two infielders on each side of second base. What does it do? It makes the game look like what it looked like when I was 12 years old (in 1971) watching the All-Star game at camp …” Manfred said.

“[It would] kind (be sort) of (a) restoration, right? That’s why people are in favor of it. I think front offices, in general, believe it would have a positive effect on the play the game. So, you know, I’m hopeful (that it will happen).

The best way to eliminate the shift it to stop trying to hit through it and take the free bases.

Interesting

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Nah, all that does is have the defense bring the LF over to where the 3B goes and hangs out today in short right field. Which will take longer to switch back and forth. The CF plays in left center, the RF positions where he always does, and the 3B gets a running start from the infield to end up in short left in case the batter hits a flare that way off the end of the bat.

It'll give up a few more doubles into the LF gap, but that's about it.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

Sounds like they need to put me in charge of this modification

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As somebody who enjoys baseball and can tell Hub where I played my college ball, my extremely hot take is that baseball hasn't changed in a way that makes it less entertaining. It's always been kinda boring to watch and people are having a hard time coming to grips with that realization and rationalizing why they don't like it as much. Baseball is the sport of fan sunk cost fallacy.

I don't think that's true. There are simply far less balls in play in the current game. That makes it boring.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

Yeah I need more rallies

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Yes, but I don’t think increasing that number is going to substantially move the meters.

The median salary is 1.5 million .They’re not hanging by the docks blowing sailors for spare change during the off season to make ends meet .

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

hence the pitch clock. It's going to do for baseball what the shot clock did for basketball....

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Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

Yeah, I think you're right about that. For the most part, the people that think baseball is boring aren't really baseball fans.

Still, the game is seriously out of balance right now. There are a lot of things that could be done to facilitate more balls in play. Some of them are much less radical than eliminating the shift.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

I don’t get the baseball is boring argument. The end of basketball games is a slog. People don’t bitch about it though. Well played baseball remains entertaining and exciting.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

The players should be pushing for the guys with no/minimal service time who got added to the 40-man but are in the minors. I'd feel better about the players position if they pushed to expand the 40-man to 42 and set the minimum AAA/AA salary while on the 40/42 man to $1000/day+meal money allowance. Those guys are union members and they aren't getting shit, and they can't even go to minor league camp much less minor league regular season games during the lockout so they are going to get ass fucked again after getting ass fucked by COVID in 2020.

It's like they don't know how to properly make a case.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal