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I feel people overreact to the Astros series. Sure it was painful but not fixable. Having some better pitching and a catcher that does not guarantee a single or walk is a double will be great.

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 Post subject: Re: 2021 off-season
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They were not roughed up by either. And it’s going to be Robert and Jimenez getting at bats that were going to Goodwin and Hamilton. The off-season isn’t done yet either.


I don't think LaRussa got nearly enough recognition nationally for keeping this team on a winning path while down three starting outfielders at the same time.

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You can never have enough bullpen arms in this day and age, so Kelly is a good signing. However, they made an expected bargain basement move at second.

Kelly has an arm and he will be in the bullpen. No stuff but giant balls. If nothing else, maybe he can rub off on some of our more pussyish pitchers.


Yeah, I always liked Kelly...he'll be interesting.

He was just on P&S. Interesting is the right word for him. He was quite entertaining...plus he said sh!t 3x, which put Shane to the test and got Mitch on the phone. :lol:

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They were not roughed up by either. And it’s going to be Robert and Jimenez getting at bats that were going to Goodwin and Hamilton. The off-season isn’t done yet either.


Well, they better find some more starting pitching before the off season is over.

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Conor McKnight on Kap’s show “ maybe the media overplayed the disconnect that Tony La Russa had being away from the game and not being able to relate to today’s players” . :roll:

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They were not roughed up by either. And it’s going to be Robert and Jimenez getting at bats that were going to Goodwin and Hamilton. The off-season isn’t done yet either.


Well, they better find some more starting pitching before the off season is over.

Not really. Before Julie 30th.


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They were not roughed up by either. And it’s going to be Robert and Jimenez getting at bats that were going to Goodwin and Hamilton. The off-season isn’t done yet either.


Well, they better find some more starting pitching before the off season is over.

Not really. Before Julie 30th.


I don't think they need starting pitcher either, or at least they don't need it as badly as: bullpen help, a legit second baseman, a defensive-minded catcher, or a playoff-tested bat.


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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
They were not roughed up by either. And it’s going to be Robert and Jimenez getting at bats that were going to Goodwin and Hamilton. The off-season isn’t done yet either.


Well, they better find some more starting pitching before the off season is over.

Not really. Before Julie 30th.


I don't think they need starting pitcher either, or at least they don't need it as badly as: bullpen help, a legit second baseman, a defensive-minded catcher, or a playoff-tested bat.

It's not a proven starting staff. There's 2 provens, 2 question marks and a wash out. But I'm willing to play it out for a few months. Cease needs to attack an entire AB, not just half an AB. He kinda is the key. Three provens makes for a good staff.


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Nardi wrote:
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They were not roughed up by either. And it’s going to be Robert and Jimenez getting at bats that were going to Goodwin and Hamilton. The off-season isn’t done yet either.


Well, they better find some more starting pitching before the off season is over.

Not really. Before Julie 30th.


I don't think they need starting pitcher either, or at least they don't need it as badly as: bullpen help, a legit second baseman, a defensive-minded catcher, or a playoff-tested bat.

It's not a proven starting staff. There's 2 provens, 2 question marks and a wash out. But I'm willing to play it out for a few months. Cease needs to attack an entire AB, not just half an AB. He kinda is the key. Three provens makes for a good staff.

Cease needs to be as good as Lynn's regression. Dont see that.

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 Post subject: Re: 2021 off-season
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Nardi wrote:
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
They were not roughed up by either. And it’s going to be Robert and Jimenez getting at bats that were going to Goodwin and Hamilton. The off-season isn’t done yet either.


Well, they better find some more starting pitching before the off season is over.

Not really. Before Julie 30th.


I don't think they need starting pitcher either, or at least they don't need it as badly as: bullpen help, a legit second baseman, a defensive-minded catcher, or a playoff-tested bat.

It's not a proven starting staff. There's 2 provens, 2 question marks and a wash out. But I'm willing to play it out for a few months. Cease needs to attack an entire AB, not just half an AB. He kinda is the key. Three provens makes for a good staff.

Cease needs to be as good as Lynn's regression. Dont see that.

It's possible Lynn shits the bed. I wouldn't assume it though. He's as a professional pitcher as there is in MLB.


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 Post subject: Re: 2021 off-season
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Nardi wrote:
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Well, they better find some more starting pitching before the off season is over.

Not really. Before Julie 30th.


I don't think they need starting pitcher either, or at least they don't need it as badly as: bullpen help, a legit second baseman, a defensive-minded catcher, or a playoff-tested bat.

It's not a proven starting staff. There's 2 provens, 2 question marks and a wash out. But I'm willing to play it out for a few months. Cease needs to attack an entire AB, not just half an AB. He kinda is the key. Three provens makes for a good staff.

Cease needs to be as good as Lynn's regression. Dont see that.

It's possible Lynn shits the bed. I wouldn't assume it though. He's as a professional pitcher as there is in MLB.

Lance Lynn showed us he's a very very very very very good #2. Head to head with a #1 like McCullers he shit the bed. Giolito is fine at #3. We have high ceiling guys with Kopech and Cease, but they're both still unproven. We also don't know if Kopech can actually pitch a full season as a starter without his arm falling off. I like them both, but there's no way any of us can say either of them are #1 Top of rotation guys. If one of them emerges to be that, life will be really good. That's a big "IF".

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Warren Newson wrote:
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
They were not roughed up by either. And it’s going to be Robert and Jimenez getting at bats that were going to Goodwin and Hamilton. The off-season isn’t done yet either.


Well, they better find some more starting pitching before the off season is over.

Not really. Before Julie 30th.


I don't think they need starting pitcher either, or at least they don't need it as badly as: bullpen help, a legit second baseman, a defensive-minded catcher, or a playoff-tested bat.


Bullpen help? The bullpen is completely stacked.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Nardi wrote:
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
They were not roughed up by either. And it’s going to be Robert and Jimenez getting at bats that were going to Goodwin and Hamilton. The off-season isn’t done yet either.


Well, they better find some more starting pitching before the off season is over.

Not really. Before Julie 30th.


I don't think they need starting pitcher either, or at least they don't need it as badly as: bullpen help, a legit second baseman, a defensive-minded catcher, or a playoff-tested bat.


Bullpen help? The bullpen is completely stacked.

Agreed. The bullpen is the least of the Sox problems. If it turns out someone has an off year, you can address the bullpen at the deadline.

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Lance Lynn showed us he's a very very very very very good #2. Head to head with a #1 like McCullers he shit the bed. Giolito is fine at #3. We have high ceiling guys with Kopech and Cease, but they're both still unproven. We also don't know if Kopech can actually pitch a full season as a starter without his arm falling off. I like them both, but there's no way any of us can say either of them are #1 Top of rotation guys. If one of them emerges to be that, life will be really good. That's a big "IF".


Lucas Giolito is significantly better than a 3rd starter. Lynn was banged up and should not have started game 1. And his one playoff start for the White Sox is a pretty terrible way to project his future production.

Lynn, Cease, and Giolito are as good a top three as an in the American League. I would bet the Kuechel bounces back and has a decent year. I don't trust Kopech, but he deserves a shot. I hope they have a better plan than Vince Velazquez for when Kopech needs his mental health break this season.

That said 90 percent of baseball would want a rotation where Kopech is your 5th starter.

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Lance Lynn showed us he's a very very very very very good #2. Head to head with a #1 like McCullers he shit the bed. Giolito is fine at #3. We have high ceiling guys with Kopech and Cease, but they're both still unproven. We also don't know if Kopech can actually pitch a full season as a starter without his arm falling off. I like them both, but there's no way any of us can say either of them are #1 Top of rotation guys. If one of them emerges to be that, life will be really good. That's a big "IF".


Lucas Giolito is significantly better than a 3rd starter. Lynn was banged up and should not have started game 1. And his one playoff start for the White Sox is a pretty terrible way to project his future production.

Lynn, Cease, and Giolito are as good a top three as an in the American League. I would bet the Kuechel bounces back and has a decent year. I don't trust Kopech, but he deserves a shot. I hope they have a better plan than Vince Velazquez for when Kopech needs his mental health break this season.

That said 90 percent of baseball would want a rotation where Kopech is your 5th starter.


Lopez is first up before Velazquez. He earned a shot as the sixth starter

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Lance Lynn showed us he's a very very very very very good #2. Head to head with a #1 like McCullers he shit the bed. Giolito is fine at #3. We have high ceiling guys with Kopech and Cease, but they're both still unproven. We also don't know if Kopech can actually pitch a full season as a starter without his arm falling off. I like them both, but there's no way any of us can say either of them are #1 Top of rotation guys. If one of them emerges to be that, life will be really good. That's a big "IF".


Lucas Giolito is significantly better than a 3rd starter. Lynn was banged up and should not have started game 1. And his one playoff start for the White Sox is a pretty terrible way to project his future production.

Lynn, Cease, and Giolito are as good a top three as an in the American League. I would bet the Kuechel bounces back and has a decent year. I don't trust Kopech, but he deserves a shot. I hope they have a better plan than Vince Velazquez for when Kopech needs his mental health break this season.

That said 90 percent of baseball would want a rotation where Kopech is your 5th starter.


Lopez is first up before Velazquez. He earned a shot as the sixth starter


I assume he be will be in the long relief spot.

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Sox/Cubs…first pitch coming up with Connor McKnight on the tv call.

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Dude there is NCAA basketball on. Turn off any baseball , there will be plenty of time for that later :lol:

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Sox/Cubs…first pitch coming up with Connor McKnight on the tv call.

With more practice, Connor may be able to upgrade his PBP to being just bad by the end of the year.

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They were not roughed up by either. And it’s going to be Robert and Jimenez getting at bats that were going to Goodwin and Hamilton. The off-season isn’t done yet either.


Well, they better find some more starting pitching before the off season is over.

Not really. Before Julie 30th.


I don't think they need starting pitcher either, or at least they don't need it as badly as: bullpen help, a legit second baseman, a defensive-minded catcher, or a playoff-tested bat.

It's not a proven starting staff. There's 2 provens, 2 question marks and a wash out. But I'm willing to play it out for a few months. Cease needs to attack an entire AB, not just half an AB. He kinda is the key. Three provens makes for a good staff.



I couldn't agree more.

I'm only cautiously hopeful at this point though.

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The really big jump in production should come from Vaughn. He was put in an incredibly difficult spot for a rookie.

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Shots fired at Hahn.


Bryant for that price is a deal they will regret.

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https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-white-sox/white-sox-dropped-the-ball-on-kris-bryant/

Shots fired at Hahn.


Bryant for that price is a deal they will regret.


He'll be good in Colorado, but his road power numbers do not justify that contract. If I were the Sox, 5/100m would have been the max offer.

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The really big jump in production should come from Vaughn. He was put in an incredibly difficult spot for a rookie.



And hopefully his confidence will be fully restored.

He has such a sweet stroke.

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https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-white-sox/white-sox-dropped-the-ball-on-kris-bryant/

Shots fired at Hahn.


Bryant for that price is a deal they will regret.


He'll be good in Colorado, but his road power numbers do not justify that contract. If I were the Sox, 5/100m would have been the max offer.

And the Rockies want to use him at LF, not 3B. At least 10% of Bryant's value was in his position versatility. Having him play LF all the time in a DH league with no double switches... oof.

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Bullpens are very fickle. Many of us thought the bullpen was one of the strengths of the team heading into last year and we were wrong. The same thing could easily happen this year. I won't be comfortable with the bullpen until there is a high level of redundancy.


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Bullpens are very fickle. Many of us thought the bullpen was one of the strengths of the team heading into last year and we were wrong. The same thing could easily happen this year. I won't be comfortable with the bullpen until there is a high level of redundancy.

They are more than fickle. The best bullpen in MLB last year was SF. 2021 pre-season rank by Fangraphs-19th.


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