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Too late...Carolina signed him.

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It seems to me that they are taking the approach of raising the average level of the WR group, but also lowering the top end of it.

I think they will wait until after the draft unless someone is an absolute steal.

There will be future #1 talent still at WR when they make their first pick. The Packers were happy to let Adams go after looking at what they may be able to acquire in this draft. I'm a Christian Watson guy myself.


Has Pringle done anything during his career to demonstrate that he's better than Byrd or Goodwin? St. Brown seems like roster filler. I'm unimpressed with the receiver rebuild thus far.

I also don't think the Packers were "happy" to let Adams go since they apparently matched the Raiders' offer to him.


Brown may not even make it out of training camp. He's the last guy in the room.

Pringle had a very nice season last year at: 42 568 13.5 and 5 TD. That was in his third year, which is usually the breakout year for a WR. He also caught 70% of the passes thrown to him. I think we got a player on the rise for incredibly reasonable money.

Goodwin and Byrd are fine as 4-5 WR on a team, by the way. We were using them as 2-3.

I expect the Bears to get a WR high in the draft and then a good veteran, which pushes Pringle to 3-4.


Hoge says Pringle ranked 6th in the NFL for drops last season in addition to fumbling twice.

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To say that Poles has a lot of work to do would be an understatement, makes sense to trade back from the early second round pick for a later second and more draft capital, seems that after you get away from the guys with obvious early first round grades you have numerous guys that should be there in the second round.

LT market is drying up quickly, seemed to be a big need if you want to protect a developing QB, Poles will have to get creative to address that position.


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They don't appear to be in on Armstead. I'm assuming they're going to draft a tackle unless they believe Borom and Jenkins are the answers. In that case, they'll draft a guard.

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No GM outside Pace had Jenkins as a LT, moce him to RT and see if his back can handle 17 games.

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No GM outside Pace had Jenkins as a LT, moce him to RT and see if his back can handle 17 games.


Do you give Borom a shot at LT? He's a huge guy who is light on his feet. He held his own at RT without much practice.

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The Rams let Johnny Hekker go, I would go get him.


Too late...Carolina signed him.


The punter for San Diego State will be a weapon, but we cannot afford to spend picks on punters. If he gets to UDFA, Poles should have him on speed dial

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It seems to me that they are taking the approach of raising the average level of the WR group, but also lowering the top end of it.

I think they will wait until after the draft unless someone is an absolute steal.

There will be future #1 talent still at WR when they make their first pick. The Packers were happy to let Adams go after looking at what they may be able to acquire in this draft. I'm a Christian Watson guy myself.


Has Pringle done anything during his career to demonstrate that he's better than Byrd or Goodwin? St. Brown seems like roster filler. I'm unimpressed with the receiver rebuild thus far.

I also don't think the Packers were "happy" to let Adams go since they apparently matched the Raiders' offer to him.


Brown may not even make it out of training camp. He's the last guy in the room.

Pringle had a very nice season last year at: 42 568 13.5 and 5 TD. That was in his third year, which is usually the breakout year for a WR. He also caught 70% of the passes thrown to him. I think we got a player on the rise for incredibly reasonable money.

Goodwin and Byrd are fine as 4-5 WR on a team, by the way. We were using them as 2-3.

I expect the Bears to get a WR high in the draft and then a good veteran, which pushes Pringle to 3-4.


Hoge says Pringle ranked 6th in the NFL for drops last season in addition to fumbling twice.


I see 4 drops on 60 targets and a 70% catch rate.

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It seems to me that they are taking the approach of raising the average level of the WR group, but also lowering the top end of it.

I think they will wait until after the draft unless someone is an absolute steal.

There will be future #1 talent still at WR when they make their first pick. The Packers were happy to let Adams go after looking at what they may be able to acquire in this draft. I'm a Christian Watson guy myself.


Has Pringle done anything during his career to demonstrate that he's better than Byrd or Goodwin? St. Brown seems like roster filler. I'm unimpressed with the receiver rebuild thus far.

I also don't think the Packers were "happy" to let Adams go since they apparently matched the Raiders' offer to him.


Brown may not even make it out of training camp. He's the last guy in the room.

Pringle had a very nice season last year at: 42 568 13.5 and 5 TD. That was in his third year, which is usually the breakout year for a WR. He also caught 70% of the passes thrown to him. I think we got a player on the rise for incredibly reasonable money.

Goodwin and Byrd are fine as 4-5 WR on a team, by the way. We were using them as 2-3.

I expect the Bears to get a WR high in the draft and then a good veteran, which pushes Pringle to 3-4.


Hoge says Pringle ranked 6th in the NFL for drops last season in addition to fumbling twice.


I see 4 drops on 60 targets and a 70% catch rate.


I saw similar stats. Hoge says otherwise, though he didn't mention what he was looking at.

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The Rams let Johnny Hekker go, I would go get him.


Too late...Carolina signed him.


The punter for San Diego State will be a weapon, but we cannot afford to spend picks on punters. If he gets to UDFA, Poles should have him on speed dial


If he is as good as the youtube videos, then spending a 6th or 7th could be an excellent use of a pick.

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good dolphin wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
The Rams let Johnny Hekker go, I would go get him.


Too late...Carolina signed him.


The punter for San Diego State will be a weapon, but we cannot afford to spend picks on punters. If he gets to UDFA, Poles should have him on speed dial


If he is as good as the youtube videos, then spending a 6th or 7th could be an excellent use of a pick.

Yeah with a 6th or 7th round pick you are normally hoping to maybe strike gold with someone. But if you can get a 10 yr starter at position you do it.

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Bears GM Ryan Poles: "Larry Ogunjobi embodies everything we are looking for in a Bear. He is a special person and player... [but] our medical team deemed him to have failed his physical and therefore, unfortunately, we are not signing him today."


"Our medical team" - I wonder if this was a legit issue or if they had buyer's remorse for some other reason. Since it's the Bears, I can see a grievance being filed.


I think he has a broken foot



It happened in the play-offs.

It didn't heal apparently


And it required surgery.


Ogunjobi actually didn't break his foot. He had a more serious lisfranck injury that required surgery and typically takes six months or a little longer to heal. I wonder if the Bears are still planning to sign him after they have a better sense that Ogunjobi is recovering at the appropriate pace.

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The kid from SDSU is ridiculously good. I was hoping he landed in GB because he can kickoff as well. I am tired of watching the gray wolf crosby lose all leg strength come November.

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The kid from SDSU is ridiculously good. I was hoping he landed in GB because he can kickoff as well. I am tired of watching the gray wolf crosby lose all leg strength come November.


But at least Crosby will get a chance to kick longer FGs since that b.itch Adams is no longer with the team, right? All those short XP opportunities Adams created for Crosby in the end just prevented him from building the kind of strength in your leg that comes with kicking from longer distances.

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Poles must have piss poor grades on all the interior guys from last year, and that makes sense given the insane amount of inside penetration the centers and guards gave up just by being overpowered at the point of attack. It seems Poles thinks he will be able to significantly upgrade the interior of the line even the third or fourth best guys in FA are way better than anything on the roster, yet another sobering, but accurate picture of the complete lack of offensive talent on the roster.

Huge holes remain at OT, have to hope that either Jenkins or Borom can competently fill the RT position, but likely get another stopgap vet to fill in at LT until they can get lucky enough to draft one, or overpay for one next year in FA.

Maybe the approach to FA is a tell for the draft, it does seem Poles wants to build the roster from the interior of the lines outward. This is a radically different approach than Pace, but a much more logical approach. Making unsexy picks on the interior of both lines instead of squandering draft capital to pursue guys with great athletic ability, but limited collegiate production is likely a far superior way to build a roster.


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It would seem finding a punter is easy. First, buy a plane ticket to Australia, then buy a ticket to an Aussie Rules football league game, identify the guy with the strongest leg, and then hand him an NFL football and watch him punt, and finally sign the guy to a rookie minimum deal.

You could of course just grab the college guy that already has all these traits, but the first option seems more enjoyable.


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Poles must have piss poor grades on all the interior guys from last year, and that makes sense given the insane amount of inside penetration the centers and guards gave up just by being overpowered at the point of attack. It seems Poles thinks he will be able to significantly upgrade the interior of the line even the third or fourth best guys in FA are way better than anything on the roster, yet another sobering, but accurate picture of the complete lack of offensive talent on the roster.

Huge holes remain at OT, have to hope that either Jenkins or Borom can competently fill the RT position, but likely get another stopgap vet to fill in at LT until they can get lucky enough to draft one, or overpay for one next year in FA.

Maybe the approach to FA is a tell for the draft, it does seem Poles wants to build the roster from the interior of the lines outward. This is a radically different approach than Pace, but a much more logical approach. Making unsexy picks on the interior of both lines instead of squandering draft capital to pursue guys with great athletic ability, but limited collegiate production is likely a far superior way to build a roster.

Didnt the Bears actually have a pretty good running game last year ? I mean, those guys had to be blocking someone for it to be any good.

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Poles must have piss poor grades on all the interior guys from last year, and that makes sense given the insane amount of inside penetration the centers and guards gave up just by being overpowered at the point of attack. It seems Poles thinks he will be able to significantly upgrade the interior of the line even the third or fourth best guys in FA are way better than anything on the roster, yet another sobering, but accurate picture of the complete lack of offensive talent on the roster.

Huge holes remain at OT, have to hope that either Jenkins or Borom can competently fill the RT position, but likely get another stopgap vet to fill in at LT until they can get lucky enough to draft one, or overpay for one next year in FA.

Maybe the approach to FA is a tell for the draft, it does seem Poles wants to build the roster from the interior of the lines outward. This is a radically different approach than Pace, but a much more logical approach. Making unsexy picks on the interior of both lines instead of squandering draft capital to pursue guys with great athletic ability, but limited collegiate production is likely a far superior way to build a roster.

Didnt the Bears actually have a pretty good running game last year ? I mean, those guys had to be blocking someone for it to be any good.


How did the passing game look?


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It's all great in theory, but all Poles has done is sign Green Bays backup center.

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It's all great in theory, but all Poles has done is sign Green Bays backup center.

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Save that gif for when the Bears are 5-12 next year. The roster is significantly worse than last year.


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Poles must have piss poor grades on all the interior guys from last year, and that makes sense given the insane amount of inside penetration the centers and guards gave up just by being overpowered at the point of attack. It seems Poles thinks he will be able to significantly upgrade the interior of the line even the third or fourth best guys in FA are way better than anything on the roster, yet another sobering, but accurate picture of the complete lack of offensive talent on the roster.

Huge holes remain at OT, have to hope that either Jenkins or Borom can competently fill the RT position, but likely get another stopgap vet to fill in at LT until they can get lucky enough to draft one, or overpay for one next year in FA.

Maybe the approach to FA is a tell for the draft, it does seem Poles wants to build the roster from the interior of the lines outward. This is a radically different approach than Pace, but a much more logical approach. Making unsexy picks on the interior of both lines instead of squandering draft capital to pursue guys with great athletic ability, but limited collegiate production is likely a far superior way to build a roster.

Didnt the Bears actually have a pretty good running game last year ? I mean, those guys had to be blocking someone for it to be any good.


Not Mustipher. Jason Peters was their best lineman for the majority of the season. He was drinking beer on his boat a week before the season started. Besides, the rushing numbers are somewhat misleading. Montgomery wasn't good. Fields success as a runner, and Herbert skews some of that.

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Poles must have piss poor grades on all the interior guys from last year, and that makes sense given the insane amount of inside penetration the centers and guards gave up just by being overpowered at the point of attack. It seems Poles thinks he will be able to significantly upgrade the interior of the line even the third or fourth best guys in FA are way better than anything on the roster, yet another sobering, but accurate picture of the complete lack of offensive talent on the roster.

Huge holes remain at OT, have to hope that either Jenkins or Borom can competently fill the RT position, but likely get another stopgap vet to fill in at LT until they can get lucky enough to draft one, or overpay for one next year in FA.

Maybe the approach to FA is a tell for the draft, it does seem Poles wants to build the roster from the interior of the lines outward. This is a radically different approach than Pace, but a much more logical approach. Making unsexy picks on the interior of both lines instead of squandering draft capital to pursue guys with great athletic ability, but limited collegiate production is likely a far superior way to build a roster.

Didnt the Bears actually have a pretty good running game last year ? I mean, those guys had to be blocking someone for it to be any good.


Not Mustipher. Jason Peters was their best lineman for the majority of the season. He was drinking beer on his boat a week before the season started. Besides, the rushing numbers are somewhat misleading. Montgomery wasn't good. Fields success as a runner, and Herbert skews some of that.


If I'm remembering correctly, the running backs ran for a higher average and averaged more explosive plays in Fields' starts than they did in starts for Dalton or Foles. This is because the defense had to guard against the possibility of Fields running the ball.

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Poles must have piss poor grades on all the interior guys from last year, and that makes sense given the insane amount of inside penetration the centers and guards gave up just by being overpowered at the point of attack. It seems Poles thinks he will be able to significantly upgrade the interior of the line even the third or fourth best guys in FA are way better than anything on the roster, yet another sobering, but accurate picture of the complete lack of offensive talent on the roster.

Huge holes remain at OT, have to hope that either Jenkins or Borom can competently fill the RT position, but likely get another stopgap vet to fill in at LT until they can get lucky enough to draft one, or overpay for one next year in FA.

Maybe the approach to FA is a tell for the draft, it does seem Poles wants to build the roster from the interior of the lines outward. This is a radically different approach than Pace, but a much more logical approach. Making unsexy picks on the interior of both lines instead of squandering draft capital to pursue guys with great athletic ability, but limited collegiate production is likely a far superior way to build a roster.

Didnt the Bears actually have a pretty good running game last year ? I mean, those guys had to be blocking someone for it to be any good.


Not Mustipher. Jason Peters was their best lineman for the majority of the season. He was drinking beer on his boat a week before the season started. Besides, the rushing numbers are somewhat misleading. Montgomery wasn't good. Fields success as a runner, and Herbert skews some of that.


If I'm remembering correctly, the running backs ran for a higher average and averaged more explosive plays in Fields' starts than they did in starts for Dalton or Foles. This is because the defense had to guard against the possibility of Fields running the ball.


That makes sense. An improved Fields should make the running game better going forward.

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The play action game should be deadly with a mobile QB like Fields, poor play design and play calling killed them last year, especially the odd shotgun play action crap they kept trotting out where Mustipher or Daniels would get blown up and the DT was in the backfield, or the RT would completely miss his block which allowed the backside pursuit to get there before Fields could look downfield.

Of course, Fields held the ball way too long trying to hit the home run and passed up on easy checkdowns, but they should be able to coach him up, if he doesn't respond to what should be at least competent coaching they have plenty of assets next year to move on, but that is what this year will be about, brutal roster decisions based on lack of production. Will really be curious to see how the often disinterested Eddie Jackson responds to the hustle, play physical, and play to the echo of the whistle stuff the new defensive coaching staff preaches. They have already moved on from several high paid vets that frequently took plays off, or ignored gap assignments in the pursuit of stats.


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Fields as a runner was ok in spots and got him injured in others. You can bet that Bears opponents are going to want to see if he can beat them passing the ball. It wouldn't surprise me if they had a linebacker dedicated to making Fields throw it.

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The play action game should be deadly with a mobile QB like Fields, poor play design and play calling killed them last year, especially the odd shotgun play action crap they kept trotting out where Mustipher or Daniels would get blown up and the DT was in the backfield, or the RT would completely miss his block which allowed the backside pursuit to get there before Fields could look downfield.

Of course, Fields held the ball way too long trying to hit the home run and passed up on easy checkdowns, but they should be able to coach him up, if he doesn't respond to what should be at least competent coaching they have plenty of assets next year to move on, but that is what this year will be about, brutal roster decisions based on lack of production. Will really be curious to see how the often disinterested Eddie Jackson responds to the hustle, play physical, and play to the echo of the whistle stuff the new defensive coaching staff preaches. They have already moved on from several high paid vets that frequently took plays off, or ignored gap assignments in the pursuit of stats.


The new offensive coordinator, Getsy, has never called plays, at any level, ever. Why are we just assuming that the play calling will be better? We don't know.


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I often wondered what percentage of a play is success is determined by which play is called. I suspect there are far bigger determinants, namely execution and personnel. I bet most plays can work if the offense executes it correctly and/or the personnel is superior.

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