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Are Bears fan ok going 5-12 or 4-13 on long as it's known that they're doing a rebuild?

I think getting Fields mechanics right and getting him NFL ready for reading defenses and running an offense would count as progress regardless of stats.

I heard that another reason Poles took the Bears job was the money. They offered more than the Vikings and other teams that he was talking to. I don't think hiring Eberflus his decision, but Poles likely views him as placeholder during the re-build. I'm also pretty sure that he had to say he was all in on Fields during the interview. Poles is smart enough to not rock the boat on certain things at this point.


Im not ok with it but it wouldn't surprise me.

You have to let a new GM recreate the team as he sees fit. It's the implied agreement.

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to borrow from another team's mantra, he's doing exactly what he told you he would do

The draft is in a month. We'll see what that provides.

Post draft is the second wave of free agency, after teams cut all kinds of veterans who can still play but are either overpriced or pushed out by a rookie.

Keep it cool for a while and see how this plays out


Sure, but it's important to remember that creating an improvised roster isn't much different from what Pace was doing the past couple of years.

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Agree that some are way too pessimistic right now given the state of the roster Poles inherited, there is a ton of heavy lifting to be done to reconstruct the roster, especially offensively.

Poles has them in a position to take on a few big veteran contracts next year, but the days of pouring an inordinate amount of salary cap space on defense are likely over, and if Fields shows he is the guy they will have to keep space open to extend him.


What do you mean by pessimistic? Your position is that the Bears are generally devoid of talent, especially on offense. This is hardly an optimistic perspective. I fully agree with it, though.

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him


Getting him killed next year isn't exactly great for his long-term prospects either, especially given the number of injury problems he had in his rookie season. If Poles sees Fields as the cornerstone of the time, it would make sense that he would prioritize protecting him.

It should be the priority regardless of who is chucking the rock. Build an great line first and foremost and you don’t need Fields to be great .


I couldn't agree more. Poles said that was his plan.

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badrogue17 wrote:
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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him


Getting him killed next year isn't exactly great for his long-term prospects either, especially given the number of injury problems he had in his rookie season. If Poles sees Fields as the cornerstone of the time, it would make sense that he would prioritize protecting him.

It should be the priority regardless of who is chucking the rock. Build an great line first and foremost and you don’t need Fields to be great .


If they are able to sign Bates, he and Patrick will be a significant upgrade over Mustipher and Daniels.

There are still good OT available in FA. There will be more OL available after the draft. I think there will even be good WR cut. It happens every year. Those guys get stuck signing short term deals because everyone already filled positions early in FA.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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to borrow from another team's mantra, he's doing exactly what he told you he would do

The draft is in a month. We'll see what that provides.

Post draft is the second wave of free agency, after teams cut all kinds of veterans who can still play but are either overpriced or pushed out by a rookie.

Keep it cool for a while and see how this plays out


Sure, but it's important to remember that creating an improvised roster isn't much different from what Pace was doing the past couple of years.


Except Pace bought the groceries and understood how the pieces fit a Nagy coached team. Poles is trying to figure out what he has and maintain flexibility for 2023.

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him


Getting him killed next year isn't exactly great for his long-term prospects either, especially given the number of injury problems he had in his rookie season. If Poles sees Fields as the cornerstone of the time, it would make sense that he would prioritize protecting him.


The offseason is only 2 weeks old.


As I have said, I am in a wait-and-see mode. So far, though, I am unimpressed with what Poles has done. He seems to have botched the Ogunjobi situation, and there are valid questions about some of the guys the team has actually managed to sign.

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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him


Getting him killed next year isn't exactly great for his long-term prospects either, especially given the number of injury problems he had in his rookie season. If Poles sees Fields as the cornerstone of the time, it would make sense that he would prioritize protecting him.


The offseason is only 2 weeks old.


As I have said, I am in a wait-and-see mode. So far, though, I am unimpressed with what Poles has done. He seems to have botched the Ogunjobi situation, and there are valid questions about some of the guys the team has actually managed to sign.


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Nas wrote:
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Everything I've seen from Poles so far suggests that he's planning to move on from Fields in the 2023 draft.


If that were true, he should be and should have been looking to move him right now. He is better than anything in this draft. Waiting a year while getting him killed only devalues him


Getting him killed next year isn't exactly great for his long-term prospects either, especially given the number of injury problems he had in his rookie season. If Poles sees Fields as the cornerstone of the time, it would make sense that he would prioritize protecting him.

It should be the priority regardless of who is chucking the rock. Build an great line first and foremost and you don’t need Fields to be great .


I couldn't agree more. Poles said that was his plan.


Everyone pretty much agrees with that. But the devil is in the details. The offensive line coach they hired is nothing special. The same can be said about the new center, although it's true that almost anything would be an upgrade over Mustipher. We'll just have to see how "the plan" continues to unfold.

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to borrow from another team's mantra, he's doing exactly what he told you he would do

The draft is in a month. We'll see what that provides.

Post draft is the second wave of free agency, after teams cut all kinds of veterans who can still play but are either overpriced or pushed out by a rookie.

Keep it cool for a while and see how this plays out


Sure, but it's important to remember that creating an improvised roster isn't much different from what Pace was doing the past couple of years.


Except Pace bought the groceries and understood how the pieces fit a Nagy coached team. Poles is trying to figure out what he has and maintain flexibility for 2023.


I hope he doesn't figure out that he has a dead quarterback for 2023.

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to borrow from another team's mantra, he's doing exactly what he told you he would do

The draft is in a month. We'll see what that provides.

Post draft is the second wave of free agency, after teams cut all kinds of veterans who can still play but are either overpriced or pushed out by a rookie.

Keep it cool for a while and see how this plays out


Sure, but it's important to remember that creating an improvised roster isn't much different from what Pace was doing the past couple of years.


Except Pace bought the groceries and understood how the pieces fit a Nagy coached team. Poles is trying to figure out what he has and maintain flexibility for 2023.


I hope he doesn't figure out that he has a dead quarterback for 2023.


:lol: :lol: Poles isn't married to Fields, but it is clear to me that he's one of the few players on the roster that Poles likes a lot.

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to borrow from another team's mantra, he's doing exactly what he told you he would do

The draft is in a month. We'll see what that provides.

Post draft is the second wave of free agency, after teams cut all kinds of veterans who can still play but are either overpriced or pushed out by a rookie.

Keep it cool for a while and see how this plays out


Sure, but it's important to remember that creating an improvised roster isn't much different from what Pace was doing the past couple of years.


Except Pace bought the groceries and understood how the pieces fit a Nagy coached team. Poles is trying to figure out what he has and maintain flexibility for 2023.


I hope he doesn't figure out that he has a dead quarterback for 2023.


:lol: :lol: Poles isn't married to Fields, but it is clear to me that he's one of the few players on the roster that Poles likes a lot.


Of course, even with a talent-depleted roster, there are many things Getsy can do to make things easier for Fields. Hopefully, he will prove to be competent.

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Think we all can agree that the roster is a mess and that it will take time to rebuild and that Poles may very well fail.

The fact that Poles has been able to move Mack and has quickly moved on from guys he didn't like is encouraging because he could have held on to a few of the guys and maybe won another game or two next, but that would have not helped the franchise long term.

If you want long term success you need to be lucky enough to find franchise QB and build an offense that caters best to his skill sets. Poles at least seems to realize he needs to completely rebuild the interior of the OL which is something the last regime never seemed to get, so cautiously optimistic at this point.

Make no mistake, there will be plenty of bumps in the road as they try to move the roster from the Club Dub grab-ass Nagy culture to a more physical and accountability based culture, expect plenty of vets to not buy in to the new regime.
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Wow Tyreke Hill given permission to seek a trade as contract talks have stalled.

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Wow Tyreke Hill given permission to seek a trade as contract talks have stalled.


Pass. That engine is about to go out soon.

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Wow Tyreke Hill given permission to seek a trade as contract talks have stalled.

Tyreke Hill on the Bears…

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A out time someone looked at KC and their cap. Have to be over. GB too. What can they afford with 12’s cash?

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A out time someone looked at KC and their cap. Have to be over. GB too. What can they afford with 12’s cash?

Quite a bit actually, look at their signings.

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It will be interesting to see which WR was more important to his QB's success, Adams or Hill.

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It will be interesting to see which WR was more important to his QB's success, Adams or Hill.


The real options are St. Brown or Pringle.

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Newest Bear OL. Dakota Dozier

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He's terrible. Poles has done a remarkable job taking this bad roster and transforming it into an even worse roster.
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He's terrible. Poles has done a remarkable job taking this bad roster and transforming it into an even worse roster.


Bears set to have one of the most, if not the most salary cap room for 2023. Seems Poles has a plan. 2022 just isn't it.

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Does the Dozier signing mean they don't think they're getting Bates?

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He's terrible. Poles has done a remarkable job taking this bad roster and transforming it into an even worse roster.


His signings so far are pretty bad, but Pace left Poles with a lot of dead money and relatively few players under contract. It's going to be a bit of a struggle just for him to put together a roster let alone sign some good players. That said, I would still focus more on the offense than he is doing. In his position, I wouldn't care much about the defense for next year.

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Does the Dozier signing mean they don't think they're getting Bates?


Could be. I know the Patriots and Vikings also had him in for visits.

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Seeing as how FA is going so far with this new regime I’m thinking it’s going to be WR, OL with the 1st two picks.. or OL, OL


Atm it seems they’re going to have almost no high quality skill position talent for Fields to develop with this upcoming season.. Pace being almost 100% to blame for that tho

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The #1 question for Poles is whether or not Fields is the guy.

At the very least, he needs a competent offensive line in order to answer that question with any degree of certainty. He still needs to do a lot of work on the line before it resembles anything close to competent.

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Seeing as how FA is going so far with this new regime I’m thinking it’s going to be WR, OL with the 1st two picks.. or OL, OL


Atm it seems they’re going to have almost no high quality skill position talent for Fields to develop with this upcoming season.. Pace being almost 100% to blame for that tho


I still expect them to scoop up a guy like MVS or a veteran who is cut after the draft.

We have 2 former offensive lineman in our front office. Both supposedly have a great eye for scouting them. I would be shocked if one of the first picks wasn't used to draft an offensive lineman.

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Seeing as how FA is going so far with this new regime I’m thinking it’s going to be WR, OL with the 1st two picks.. or OL, OL


Atm it seems they’re going to have almost no high quality skill position talent for Fields to develop with this upcoming season.. Pace being almost 100% to blame for that tho



We have 2 former offensive lineman in our front office. Both supposedly have a great eye for scouting them. I would be shocked if one of the first picks wasn't used to draft an offensive lineman.





I’m just going to come out and say right now I don’t like Poles vision for the O-line personnel wise -the smaller faster line concept is a stupid move imo. Just get guys that are good and can play. Big strong angry men can win you football games.

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