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Not a great outing for Keuchel: four innings, five walks. But, at least he didn't burn the stadium down this time.


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I don’t want to hear complaints from GD and Frank about TLR after they gave him a pass last season. He was very fortunate to say the least, but his inadequacies have caught up with him. He has been a below average manager since his comeback and this is what we deserve.

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Any team that has the amount of injuries the Sox have had over the last two seasons is going to have some issues. I'm of the belief the Sox do not win more than 84 games last year with Renteria at the helm.

TLR was delt another shitty hand but he's played it really poorly so far this season. Another loss or two and I don't think the Sox will have much choice but to fire him. The team has been lifeless and embarrassing and while that's not all the managers fault, somebody is going to have to take the fall if this continues.

To say I'm thoroughly disgusted and disappointed would be an understatement.

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He’s not going to be fired. Team “leaders” Tim Anderson and Jose Abreu sucking is the primary reason for the losing streak. La Russa mistakes contributed, but those two have sucked on offense and been disastrous on defense.

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Abreu and Anderson didnt walk a guy with a .000 batting average then give up a homer. They certainly didnt pencil in Leury to hit 3rd in two games.

This team needs a serious shake up and wake up call, and a move has to be made.

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Any tea. that has the amount of injuries the Sox have had over the last two seasons is going to have some issues. I'm of the belief the Sox do not win more than 84 games last year with Renteria at the helm.

TLR was delt another shitty hand but he's played it really poorly so far this season. Another loss or two and I don't think the Sox will have much choice but to fire him. The team has been lifeless and embarrassing and while that's not all the managers fault, somebody is going to have to take the fall if this continues.

To say I'm thoroughly disgusted and disappointed would be an understatement.

This isn’t about Renteria though. TLR was never the right choice. Being better than what they had isn’t good enough. My bitching on this is almost entirely based on the pass he got from many Sox fans on this board after they made it through the first half of 2021 with key players missing. That was surprising and nice, but was TLR responsible for it? I’d be more inclined to credit freak streak hitting from Mercedes, solid pitching and a bit of luck than managerial superiority. TLR is certainly not the only reason they suck now either, but he certainly has been a larger detractor than a manager should be.

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Any tea. that has the amount of injuries the Sox have had over the last two seasons is going to have some issues. I'm of the belief the Sox do not win more than 84 games last year with Renteria at the helm.

TLR was delt another shitty hand but he's played it really poorly so far this season. Another loss or two and I don't think the Sox will have much choice but to fire him. The team has been lifeless and embarrassing and while that's not all the managers fault, somebody is going to have to take the fall if this continues.

To say I'm thoroughly disgusted and disappointed would be an understatement.

This isn’t about Renteria though. TLR was never the right choice. Being better than what they had isn’t good enough. My bitching on this is almost entirely based on the pass he got from many Sox fans on this board after they made it through the first half of 2021 with key players missing. That was surprising and nice, but was TLR responsible for it? I’d be more inclined to credit freak streak hitting from Mercedes, solid pitching and a bit of luck than managerial superiority. TLR is certainly not the only reason they suck now either, but he certainly has been a larger detractor than a manager should be.


You know my position about managers. They're guys that sit on the bench while players win or lose games. I will say that the lineup LaRussa trotted out there in the second game of that doubleheader in Cleveland was unconscionable.

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Tony LaRussa is the Joe Biden of managers.

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At what point does Rick Hahn say fuck all this and get himself on the market? If David Stearns leaves Milwaukee this off-season to become the President of the Mets (Alderson wants to retire), the Brewers can do much worse than give Hahn a look as their GM.

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My bitching on this is almost entirely based on the pass he got from many Sox fans on this board after they made it through the first half of 2021 with key players missing. That was surprising and nice, but was TLR responsible for it? I’d be more inclined to credit freak streak hitting from Mercedes, solid pitching and a bit of luck than managerial superiority. TLR is certainly not the only reason they suck now either, but he certainly has been a larger detractor than a manager should be.

I’m definitely guilty of that, but at what point should the guy get credit given the circumstances? He rolls out uncompetitive lineups at least once a week and his pitching decisions were atrocious at points, but if he should get the heat when they lose, does he get any credit when they won like they did last year?

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But have you watched any clips of TLR that are more than 15 seconds?

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The first thing this team should do is cut Keuchel. He's a terrible clubhouse guy, constantly blaming his teammates or the manager. You can live with that if he's giving you a decent level of performance. There's no need to deal with it when the guy is one of the worst pitchers in the game.

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I’m sure AJ Hinch would have this team firing on all cylinders no doubt .

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Kuechel gave up two runs yesterday on two booted ground outs. He's been brutalized by awful defense. The defense and baserunning have been awful. They stopped hitting, but when given leads the bullpen has squandered them.

Basically everything that could go wrong has, but they are not out of anything.

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Any tea. that has the amount of injuries the Sox have had over the last two seasons is going to have some issues. I'm of the belief the Sox do not win more than 84 games last year with Renteria at the helm.

TLR was delt another shitty hand but he's played it really poorly so far this season. Another loss or two and I don't think the Sox will have much choice but to fire him. The team has been lifeless and embarrassing and while that's not all the managers fault, somebody is going to have to take the fall if this continues.

To say I'm thoroughly disgusted and disappointed would be an understatement.

This isn’t about Renteria though. TLR was never the right choice. Being better than what they had isn’t good enough. My bitching on this is almost entirely based on the pass he got from many Sox fans on this board after they made it through the first half of 2021 with key players missing. That was surprising and nice, but was TLR responsible for it? I’d be more inclined to credit freak streak hitting from Mercedes, solid pitching and a bit of luck than managerial superiority. TLR is certainly not the only reason they suck now either, but he certainly has been a larger detractor than a manager should be.


You are misremembering the reception here to Larussa being hired.

He kept the team winning during very difficult circumstances last year. That deserved some credit. I think few thought he was the correct choice despite it

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At what point does Rick Hahn say fuck all this and get himself on the market? If David Stearns leaves Milwaukee this off-season to become the President of the Mets (Alderson wants to retire), the Brewers can do much worse than give Hahn a look as their GM.


Hahn oversaw one of the worst decades in Sox history. He squandered top 10 draft picks during those years. His only saving grace was signing arbitration level players to long term contracts that proved to be so far below market that teams were willing to give up a haul of prospects for his low priced veterans, two of whom helped their teams to world series wins. I wouldn't miss him for a second if he left, other than that JR would reinstall KW into the position.

Everyone knew the needs this off season: RF, 2b, SP. There were low priced, quality players all around those positions. He filled them with the typical Sox 35 year old veteran on his last legs.

The entire league knew SP was going to be important because of the condensed schedule and spring training. He rolled with busters.

How many times were we told post Machado debacle that the money would be spent when the time was right? This window was open and they still shied from going over the soft cap.

This season has been a testament to what JR is.

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I’m sure AJ Hinch would have this team firing on all cylinders no doubt .


He got 77 wins last year out of a Tigers team many had winning only 50ish games. He wouldn't fix everything but he's obviously the guy they SHOULD have hired instead of Tony LaBiden.


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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
At what point does Rick Hahn say fuck all this and get himself on the market? If David Stearns leaves Milwaukee this off-season to become the President of the Mets (Alderson wants to retire), the Brewers can do much worse than give Hahn a look as their GM.


Hahn oversaw one of the worst decades in Sox history. He squandered top 10 draft picks during those years. His only saving grace was signing arbitration level players to long term contracts that proved to be so far below market that teams were willing to give up a haul of prospects for his low priced veterans, two of whom helped their teams to world series wins. I wouldn't miss him for a second if he left, other than that JR would reinstall KW into the position.

Everyone knew the needs this off season: RF, 2b, SP. There were low priced, quality players all around those positions. He filled them with the typical Sox 35 year old veteran on his last legs.

The entire league knew SP was going to be important because of the condensed schedule and spring training. He rolled with busters.

How many times were we told post Machado debacle that the money would be spent when the time was right? This window was open and they still shied from going over the soft cap.

This season has been a testament to what JR is.


Josh Harrison has been a disaster. I hated the signing at the time. That said so has Marcus Semien.

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I’m sure AJ Hinch would have this team firing on all cylinders no doubt .


He got 77 wins last year out of a Tigers team many had winning only 50ish games. He wouldn't fix everything but he's obviously the guy they SHOULD have hired instead of Tony LaBiden.

I wouldn’t want that cheating piece of shit anywhere near my young team. Get back to me in September and we’ll see where the Tigers record compared to what the White Sox is

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badrogue17 wrote:
I’m sure AJ Hinch would have this team firing on all cylinders no doubt .


He got 77 wins last year out of a Tigers team many had winning only 50ish games. He wouldn't fix everything but he's obviously the guy they SHOULD have hired instead of Tony LaBiden.

I wouldn’t want that cheating piece of shit anywhere near my young team. Get back to me in September and we’ll see where the Tigers record compared to what the White Sox is


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Kuechel gave up two runs yesterday on two booted ground outs. He's been brutalized by awful defense. The defense and baserunning have been awful. They stopped hitting, but when given leads the bullpen has squandered them.

Basically everything that could go wrong has, but they are not out of anything.



Of course not. The division is terrible. But errors are part of the game. You have to be able to pitch over them. I just think at this point Keuchel is a negative all the way around.

And yeah, the hitting vs. RHP is a glaring weakness. If they can be good enough to look like they can win the division, they probably need to make a deal for a lefthanded bat. I don't know who that is, who will be out there. But if a bat like Harper is available, you have to give up what it takes within reason to get him. If that means Crochet and Vaughn +, you probably have to do it. This is the window. You can't be falling in love with guys and trying to limp into winning now while planning on being even better later.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Kuechel gave up two runs yesterday on two booted ground outs. He's been brutalized by awful defense. The defense and baserunning have been awful. They stopped hitting, but when given leads the bullpen has squandered them.

Basically everything that could go wrong has, but they are not out of anything.



Of course not. The division is terrible. But errors are part of the game. You have to be able to pitch over them. I just think at this point Keuchel is a negative all the way around.

And yeah, the hitting vs. RHP is a glaring weakness. If they can be good enough to look like they can win the division, they probably need to make a deal for a lefthanded bat. I don't know who that is, who will be out there. But if a bat like Harper is available, you have to give up what it takes within reason to get him. If that means Crochet and Vaughn +, you probably have to do it. This is the window. You can't be falling in love with guys and trying to limp into winning now while planning on being even better later.



I don't know much about Kuechel's clubhouse attitude. He's not talented enough anymore to pitch over multiple defensive miscues in an inning.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Kuechel gave up two runs yesterday on two booted ground outs. He's been brutalized by awful defense. The defense and baserunning have been awful. They stopped hitting, but when given leads the bullpen has squandered them.

Basically everything that could go wrong has, but they are not out of anything.



Of course not. The division is terrible. But errors are part of the game. You have to be able to pitch over them. I just think at this point Keuchel is a negative all the way around.

And yeah, the hitting vs. RHP is a glaring weakness. If they can be good enough to look like they can win the division, they probably need to make a deal for a lefthanded bat. I don't know who that is, who will be out there. But if a bat like Harper is available, you have to give up what it takes within reason to get him. If that means Crochet and Vaughn +, you probably have to do it. This is the window. You can't be falling in love with guys and trying to limp into winning now while planning on being even better later.



I don't know much about Kuechel's clubhouse attitude. He's not talented enough anymore to pitch over multiple defensive miscues in an inning.



That's for damn sure

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Kuechel gave up two runs yesterday on two booted ground outs. He's been brutalized by awful defense. The defense and baserunning have been awful. They stopped hitting, but when given leads the bullpen has squandered them.

Basically everything that could go wrong has, but they are not out of anything.



Of course not. The division is terrible. But errors are part of the game. You have to be able to pitch over them. I just think at this point Keuchel is a negative all the way around.

And yeah, the hitting vs. RHP is a glaring weakness. If they can be good enough to look like they can win the division, they probably need to make a deal for a lefthanded bat. I don't know who that is, who will be out there. But if a bat like Harper is available, you have to give up what it takes within reason to get him. If that means Crochet and Vaughn +, you probably have to do it. This is the window. You can't be falling in love with guys and trying to limp into winning now while planning on being even better later.



I don't know much about Kuechel's clubhouse attitude. He's not talented enough anymore to pitch over multiple defensive miscues in an inning.



It's not even really in the clubhouse. He's constantly blaming his teammates to the media. That wouldn't be good if he were Kershaw, it's completely unacceptable when he sucks.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Kuechel gave up two runs yesterday on two booted ground outs. He's been brutalized by awful defense. The defense and baserunning have been awful. They stopped hitting, but when given leads the bullpen has squandered them.

Basically everything that could go wrong has, but they are not out of anything.



Of course not. The division is terrible. But errors are part of the game. You have to be able to pitch over them. I just think at this point Keuchel is a negative all the way around.

And yeah, the hitting vs. RHP is a glaring weakness. If they can be good enough to look like they can win the division, they probably need to make a deal for a lefthanded bat. I don't know who that is, who will be out there. But if a bat like Harper is available, you have to give up what it takes within reason to get him. If that means Crochet and Vaughn +, you probably have to do it. This is the window. You can't be falling in love with guys and trying to limp into winning now while planning on being even better later.



I don't know much about Kuechel's clubhouse attitude. He's not talented enough anymore to pitch over multiple defensive miscues in an inning.


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