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Nas

Post subject: Re: The Bears Draft

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:46 pm

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Tall Midget wrote:

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The Bears aren’t competing next year unless Poles has a perfect draft. Allowing an unaccomplished punter to walk won't hurt this team in any way.

I want Pickens if he falls to the Bears.

It will be pretty shocking if Poles uses his inaugural draft pick on a seemingly brittle diva like Pickens.

I read about his bust potential earlier, but none of the people laid out any information to support their claims. Besides, MANY great wide receivers are divas.

The last great WR the Bears had was a diva with mental health issues.

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Tall Midget wrote:

I would think that Pickens will land with the Chiefs or Packers. I don't see him being available at 39.

I agree.

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Tall Midget wrote:

Counterpoint:

Even the guys who were quoted in the Athletic article agree with that, but again they also see him as having a high bust potential with at least 2 saying they would not want him on their team at any price.

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Post subject: Re: The Bears Draft

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Nas wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Nas wrote:

The Bears aren’t competing next year unless Poles has a perfect draft. Allowing an unaccomplished punter to walk won't hurt this team in any way.

I want Pickens if he falls to the Bears.

It will be pretty shocking if Poles uses his inaugural draft pick on a seemingly brittle diva like Pickens.

I don't think it was purely about him being a diva. As you say, that often comes with that position. They seemed to imply there was more to it. As Spiegel noted, this type of anonymous info usually comes from the coaches, who can't say it in public but want it known.

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Post subject: Re: The Bears Draft

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:55 pm

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Nas wrote:

The last great WR the Bears had was a diva with mental health issues.

Nas taking shots at Johnny Morris. Leave the old guy alone!

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Could just be teams further down in the draft who want to draft Pickens spreading rumors to make teams ahead of them think twice before drafting him.

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Post subject: Re: The Bears Draft

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:56 pm

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

Nas wrote:

The last great WR the Bears had was a diva with mental health issues.

Nas taking shots at Johnny Morris. Leave the old guy alone!

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Post subject: Re: The Bears Draft

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:05 pm

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Hussra wrote:

Could just be teams further down in the draft who want to draft Pickens spreading rumors to make teams ahead of them think twice before drafting him.

I mean, it's pretty easy to find tape of him acting like a douche with potential to be a sociopath, so it's not hard to believe that there's more to be concerned about.

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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:17 pm

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You can't just dismiss his injury history as well. That quote "if he hadn't torn his ACL"...well, yeah, but he did tear his ACL and that's no small injury.

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I just waiting for the flood gates of elite WR's to become available on Sunday.

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Post subject: Re: The Bears Draft

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:42 pm

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You can't just dismiss his injury history as well. That quote "if he hadn't torn his ACL"...well, yeah, but he did tear his ACL and that's no small injury.

Prior to the ACL injury, he missed close to half of his sophomore season with a separate injury.

He only played one complete season, his freshman year, at Georgia.

That's not so good, especially given the Bears' history of drafting "pre-injured" players.

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Post subject: Re: The Bears Draft

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:07 pm

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Tall Midget wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

You can't just dismiss his injury history as well. That quote "if he hadn't torn his ACL"...well, yeah, but he did tear his ACL and that's no small injury.

It seems like a semi annual event since Wanny drafted Pat Reilly

our current avatar is Teven Jenkins

I can't remember one of those guys drafted with an injury ever fulfilling his pre injury potential

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Post subject: Re: The Bears Draft

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:27 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

You can't just dismiss his injury history as well. That quote "if he hadn't torn his ACL"...well, yeah, but he did tear his ACL and that's no small injury.

It happens all over the league every year. If you have a chance to get an early 1st round talent later in the draft, you should strongly consider it. An ACL injury is no longer a career-ender.

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Post subject: Re: The Bears Draft

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:14 pm

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If Pickens is there for the Bears and they take him, he will be limited by injuries and never live up to potential.

If Pickens is taken after the Bears pick then he will be a stud elite WR for another team.

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Post subject: Re: The Bears Draft

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:36 am

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Tall Midget wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

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Hussra wrote:

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From what I read it's a buyers market for draft picks so good luck trading back.

weak QB class driving that maybe. main thing teams look to trade up for is a QB but there aren't any QB's in this draft worth expending the extra draft picks to move up for. teams still do deals to move up for other players but the lack of big moves to try to get a QB cascades throughout the draft and makes it a buyer's market? Last year folks were saying 2022 draft picks were worth more than 2021 draft picks because the lack of a combine in 2021 and limited chances to work out players individually due to covid last year.

I think the move up for QB in this draft will be at the very back of rd 1 with teams making slight trade ups from their high 2 in order to secure the fifth year of control on QB who will need developmental time.

Possibly, though there are at least three teams--Carolina, Seattle, and Pittsburgh--who apparently have significant interest in Malik Willis.

Additionally, some analysts on the NFL Network have said there could be trade ups into the middle of the first round for Pickett and/or Ridder.

I think that's draft smoke. Willis has some skills but he was really inaccurate against lower competition and was worse as a senior than a junior. Very similar college career arch to Love, who slipped into the very end of the first. That's where I think his equalized draft value is.

like Mr. T, I pity the fool who trades up in the first round for Ridder. That guy is a 4th rounder in most draft. I'd put Pickett at third round talent.

Regarding Willis, it seems like the trend is to reach for QBs more than to let them fall. I don't see him lasting to the end of the first.

Daniel Jeremiah seems to agree with Dolphin. He says no QB will be selected until Pittsburgh picks Pickett at 20.

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:16 am

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Would be trying to find a Ryan Pace like GM and try to exact an inordinate trade package to move down a few slots and pick up picks, someone will reach for a player, just have to find the right goof, of course we have no idea about Poles yet, so he may indeed be that goof that gets fleeced, but we have to at least go into this with at least some hope George finally got the GM job right after failing so spectacularly for his entire reign...well, maybe we should hold off on any positivity until Friday night.

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:27 am

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Clawmaster wrote:

but we have to at least go into this with at least some hope George finally got the GM job right after failing so spectacularly for his entire reign...

Not sure why you would think that...Poles hasn't been impressive so far, ignoring the fact his passiveness in FA, his top two signings/targets he also botched those attempts.

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Post subject: Re: The Bears Draft

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Caller Bob wrote:

Clawmaster wrote:

but we have to at least go into this with at least some hope George finally got the GM job right after failing so spectacularly for his entire reign...

Not sure why you would think that...Poles hasn't been impressive so far, ignoring the fact his passiveness in FA, his top two signings/targets he also botched those attempts.

Kinda said that if you re-read the last few words my young friend.

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:26 am

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If those QBs fall out of the first, I could see teams desiring the Bear pick to get ahead of Seattle, who has two picks directly behind the bears and are in need of a qb

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The Jets are going to fuck us out of Burks, they have 2 picks in the 2nd before we draft.

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Post subject: Re: The Bears Draft

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:28 am

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312player wrote:

The Jets are going to fuck us out of Burks, they have 2 picks in the 2nd before we draft.

I think you better become comfortable with the reality that BPA at 39 is going to be a defensive player.

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:30 am

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good dolphin wrote:

312player wrote:

The Jets are going to fuck us out of Burks, they have 2 picks in the 2nd before we draft.

I think you better become comfortable with the reality that BPA at 39 is going to be a defensive player.

which hopefully increases the chance of trading down

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:38 am

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Tall Midget wrote:

Daniel Jeremiah seems to agree with Dolphin. He says no QB will be selected until Pittsburgh picks Pickett at 20.

Pickett is shite. Willis is crap. Neither of them should be drafted before the 3rd round. Steelers will probably end up trading up for Willis and the hapless Lions will waste their 32nd overall on Pickett.

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:10 am

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Hussra wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Daniel Jeremiah seems to agree with Dolphin. He says no QB will be selected until Pittsburgh picks Pickett at 20.

This could be similar to 2017, when every analyst was wrong about the quarterback class.

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:26 am

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Who are the Mahomes and Watson sleepers? Strong and Corral? I don't see any QB's who will be starters in the league, let alone at the level of Mahomes and Watson. It's a crap QB class. Next year doesn't look much better currently. Lotta guys who struggle to even keep the starting QB job on their current college roster. Hooker from Tennessee could be interesting next year. He seems committed to improving his game and had a great 2021 once he got the starting job back.

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:32 am

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Hussra wrote:

I don't know. The strong opinions about how awful this class is just reminds me of 2017. Maybe you all are right this year.

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:45 am

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RFDC wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

312player wrote:

The Jets are going to fuck us out of Burks, they have 2 picks in the 2nd before we draft.

I think you better become comfortable with the reality that BPA at 39 is going to be a defensive player.

which hopefully increases the chance of trading down

My guy says that there are two edge rushers the Bears really like.

If they can get one of them at 39, then they will trade with KC for Pick(s) and send them Quinn.

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At 39, they should probably find someone to block in front of Fields or someone to catch the ball from Fields but I'm convinced Poles isn't sold on Fields and will purposely sabotage him in 2022 and draft a new QB in 2023.

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:53 am

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Caller Bob wrote:

So you think it makes sense that Poles would make Fields look terrible so he can't trade him for anything?

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Seacrest wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

So you think it makes sense that Poles would make Fields look terrible so he can't trade him for anything?

If he's not sold on him, his trade value won't be much anyways. Teams will know they are being dumped damaged goods.

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