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Dean to the Eagles.. great value. I’ve always felt draft gurus need to pay the most attention to the film rather than the combine and measurements.. film doesn’t lie. Can the kid play or not? And this kid can play..

What draft gurus are you referring to?

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Sounds like we got Hester 2.0 but a better receiver. Awesome!


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Dean to the Eagles.. great value. I’ve always felt draft gurus need to pay the most attention to the film rather than the combine and measurements.. film doesn’t lie. Can the kid play or not? And this kid can play..

What draft gurus are you referring to?




GM’s, scouts, front office types.. the guys making the picks. Film should be #1 (ie what does dude look like when he’s actually on the field playing the game).. injury history should be up there too.


I mean just about every year there’s a kid that has no business playing at the next level that gets over drafted because a video of him jumping out of a pool or some shit gets thrown on social media.. meanwhile he was a fringe starter who barley showed up on film during games while he was at school -stuff like that.

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So far they have completely reshuffled the D, which was average to above average, and have done little or nothing with the O, and will go into next year with one of the worst offensive rosters in the league. Highly likely that several guys that will receive significant playing time on offense will be late round draft picks or UDFA's


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I feel a little better about Velus after reading/watching about him. The way this draft fell, if they liked him they probably had to take him there.


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As one of eight teams without a first-round pick after trading up for Fields last year, the Chicago Bears were in a precarious position for upgrading the second-year quarterback's supporting cast. Even when time came for the team's two second-round choices, however, Chicago instead looked to upgrade its secondary with Washington cornerback Kyler Gordon and Penn State safety Jaquan Brisker. The Bears brought on a third-round receiver in Tennessee's Velus Jones, but the 6-0, 204-pound target doesn't add a different dimension to a pass-catching crew that offers little beyond Darnell Mooney.



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No reason to not try to sign Landry, the colts or saints will get him on the cheap.

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Hopefully he is Hester. That's not a big help to Fields though.

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So draft a return guy to run kickoffs back after being scored on. Let fields go three and out then repeat. Got it. Makes sense.

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So draft a return guy to run kickoffs back after being scored on. Let fields go three and out then repeat. Got it. Makes sense.


He's a better WR than Hester ever was. Not a high bar but still.

Would you say the defense is better than it was going into yesterday? Secondary sucked and looks like two starters with the first two picks. That's a plus.

I'm as pessimistic as any Bears fan but expecting everything to be fixed with 5 draft picks isn't realistic. The previous dope had 7 years to accumulate zero playoff wins and fans are already saying Poles=Pace. It's ridiculous.

Numerous holes = BPA which is what the GM said he was going to do.


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Hester had better college return stats and wasn’t 10 years older than the guys he was playing.

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So draft a return guy to run kickoffs back after being scored on. Let fields go three and out then repeat. Got it. Makes sense.


He's a better WR than Hester ever was. Not a high bar but still.

Would you say the defense is better than it was going into yesterday? Secondary sucked and looks like two starters with the first two picks. That's a plus.

I'm as pessimistic as any Bears fan but expecting everything to be fixed with 5 draft picks isn't realistic. The previous dope had 7 years to accumulate zero playoff wins and fans are already saying Poles=Pace. It's ridiculous.

Numerous holes = BPA which is what the GM said he was going to do.

My main issue is that for some reason, I thought Poles was a build-the-lines first guy. Maybe I’m misremembering that intro press conference but it doesn’t seem like he’s overly concerned with the line on either side of the ball.

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I'll be more than happy to rip Poles if Velus is worthless. But I'll wait.

And his lack of picking lineman tells me he likes what the Bears have or he wasn't going to overdraft.


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I always hated Gabriel, guy had 10 drafts with the Bears and had Briggs, Harris, Hester and Knox to show for it..not great

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I'll be more than happy to rip Poles if Velus is worthless. But I'll wait.

And his lack of picking lineman tells me he likes what the Bears have or he wasn't going to overdraft.

That’s all well and fine and you may ultimately be correct, but saying you’re as pessimistic as any other Bears fan certainly isn’t. Zach Zaidman couldn’t provide a more positive spin.

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I'll be more than happy to rip Poles if Velus is worthless. But I'll wait.

And his lack of picking lineman tells me he likes what the Bears have or he wasn't going to overdraft.

That’s all well and fine and you may ultimately be correct, but saying you’re as pessimistic as any other Bears fan certainly isn’t. Zach Zaidman couldn’t provide a more positive spin.


2 day 1 starters for a bad secondary is not a bad thing. There's a reason this team has so many holes to fill and so few picks and it's not Poles.


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After Kicker and punter safety is the least impactful position in football, get a good pass rush and you can put anyone back there. The Bears will be hiring a new GM in 3-4 years. If it had to be defense I would have taken that other DE from Michigan


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I'll be more than happy to rip Poles if Velus is worthless. But I'll wait.

And his lack of picking lineman tells me he likes what the Bears have or he wasn't going to overdraft.

That’s all well and fine and you may ultimately be correct, but saying you’re as pessimistic as any other Bears fan certainly isn’t. Zach Zaidman couldn’t provide a more positive spin.


2 day 1 starters for a bad secondary is not a bad thing. There's a reason this team has so many holes to fill and so few picks and it's not Poles.

And for all we know the guys may turn out to be good players…BUT, they’ll be starters because the roster sucks. They could be complete dogshit and they’d still be day 1 starters.

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Everything Poles has done so far is concerning.

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Comps to Hester seem concerning given rule changes have made Hester-like players mostly obsolete.

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I'll be more than happy to rip Poles if Velus is worthless. But I'll wait.

And his lack of picking lineman tells me he likes what the Bears have or he wasn't going to overdraft.

That’s all well and fine and you may ultimately be correct, but saying you’re as pessimistic as any other Bears fan certainly isn’t. Zach Zaidman couldn’t provide a more positive spin.


2 day 1 starters for a bad secondary is not a bad thing. There's a reason this team has so many holes to fill and so few picks and it's not Poles.


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I don't know if any of these guys will be great or absolutely suck. I imagine no one does. The needs of the roster were addressed. Outside of expecting him to trade down, I don't have any issues with his draft.

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I don't know if any of these guys will be great or absolutely suck. I imagine no one does. The needs of the roster were addressed. Outside of expecting him to trade down, I don't have any issues with his draft.

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I don't know if any of these guys will be great or absolutely suck. I imagine no one does. The needs of the roster were addressed. Outside of expecting him to trade down, I don't have any issues with his draft.

They still have the worst WR group in football and no right guard

They have 1.5 offensive linemen right now and are going to leave their edges to two young guys, one of whom is a short armed, albeit aggressive, nerd.

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Comps to Hester seem concerning given rule changes have made Hester-like players mostly obsolete.

Comps to Hester concern me because Hester is an all time great who should be in the HOF. Jones is a 25yr old rookie from two underperforming college programs.

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I don't know if any of these guys will be great or absolutely suck. I imagine no one does. The needs of the roster were addressed. Outside of expecting him to trade down, I don't have any issues with his draft.

They still have the worst WR group in football and no right guard


Did you expect them to make the playoffs this year? They are going to be bad next year and not very good the year after that. The 2023 and 2024 draft picks and what they've already done will allow them to be good in 2024/2025.

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I told you for the last couple of weeks that bpa were going to be defense and people were going to be pissed

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I'll be more than happy to rip Poles if Velus is worthless. But I'll wait.

And his lack of picking lineman tells me he likes what the Bears have or he wasn't going to overdraft.


I have to interpret it that way to save my sanity

Someone will cut a starting level right guard this week and we have the money to move quickly. Even still, that is placing a lot of faith in Jenkins and borom.

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So draft a return guy to run kickoffs back after being scored on. Let fields go three and out then repeat. Got it. Makes sense.


He's a better WR than Hester ever was. Not a high bar but still.

Would you say the defense is better than it was going into yesterday? Secondary sucked and looks like two starters with the first two picks. That's a plus.

I'm as pessimistic as any Bears fan but expecting everything to be fixed with 5 draft picks isn't realistic. The previous dope had 7 years to accumulate zero playoff wins and fans are already saying Poles=Pace. It's ridiculous.

Numerous holes = BPA which is what the GM said he was going to do.




Here’s the thing, there should be an order of operations to this. Yes the Bears need ‘everything’ so one could argue they get better by drafting those defensive players.. my counter to that is because they have the potential franchise QB on the roster that changes things a bit and gives you a starting point. Meaning, they should have built a board that had them taking best player available for offense with at least 2 of those first 3 picks. Going defense twice then grabbing an unpolished WR who is more of a special teams ace is a puzzling route to go.


And I’ll also add if Poles doesn’t like Fields he shouldn’t have been hired. Now I did say during the GM search the Bears shouldn’t limit themselves to finding someone who can improve Fields -they should put improving the team 1st.. but that doesn’t mean go out and grab a guy who doesn’t like your young QB at all. And as Antioch pointed out earlier, there isn’t much argument you can make at this point against someone saying Poles doesn’t like Fields.


It’s early, and I’m trying not to judge.. but right now this is all starting to feel like Matt Nagy bullshitting his way into a job claiming he could work with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky then doing everything in his power to undermine Mitch after he actually got the job. Poles, early on is coming across like someone who fast talked his way into the job and now that he’s got it, doesn’t know what he’s doing. I hope my gut is wrong about all this but there isn’t even 1 thing he’s done from free agency to this 1st draft that has inspired any confidence (for me anyway) that he knows what he’s doing, or is even good at it.

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