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So the Bears aren't going to replace Allen Robinson? The offense is basically 2 running backs and a #2 wide receiver. Fun.


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They have to find out what they have in Borom and Jenkins, first read is that neither guy fits the outside zone scheme, and Jenkins looks to be out of shape, but have to hope at least one of them can at least fill a spot competently this year. If these guys can't play and Fields struggles your 2021 draft class becomes a monumental failure.

Fields supposedly would have been the top QB picked if he came out this year, seems they are tailoring the offense to fit what he does best, but if he shows no signs of improvement there will be resources available next year to take yet another shot at a franchise QB, you would think by the law of averages the franchise would eventually hit on someone.

Filling in spots on the D, but still no Tommie Harris, Mike Brown, or Urlacher type guys, the 2nd round safety may be a good player, but the defense needs a 3-tech DT to generate immediate inside pressure to succeed and those guys are hard to find, let alone a MLB with the range and size of Urlacher.

This year is really all about evaluating your first round QB and continuing to churn the roster as upgrades become available, the roster will look radically different this time next year.


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That’s why I hate the Tampa 2 you need perfect (HOF caliper )players at like 4 positions for it to work


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So the Bears aren't going to replace Allen Robinson? The offense is basically 2 running backs and a #2 wide receiver. Fun.


Why would the Bears want an overpriced #2 receiver who can't beat good corners, lacks speed, loses 50/50 balls, doesn't like Fields, and quits on his team?

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The Bears need a good veteran left tackle and at least one defensive tackle.

For a guy who wants to revitalize the lines, Poles hasn't done much to revitalize the lines.


There are a few veteran FA LT out there. I can't see just giving the position to Borom. I'd love it if they brought in a veteran and Borom won the spot in a camp battle.


Why wouldn't you want to see what you have in Borom before signing a veteran starter? Those guys and others will still be there when the preseason starts. They're plug and play guys.


Because the Bears also have massive questions/holes at right tackle and right guard in addition to being only so-so at center and left guard. They need stability somewhere.


I hear you. My point is these veteran guys will still be there, and others will join them. IF the Bears see that Borom and others aren't ready, they'll still be able to plug and play these guys during training camp and the preseason.

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They have to find out what they have in Borom and Jenkins, first read is that neither guy fits the outside zone scheme, and Jenkins looks to be out of shape, but have to hope at least one of them can at least fill a spot competently this year. If these guys can't play and Fields struggles your 2021 draft class becomes a monumental failure.

Fields supposedly would have been the top QB picked if he came out this year, seems they are tailoring the offense to fit what he does best, but if he shows no signs of improvement there will be resources available next year to take yet another shot at a franchise QB, you would think by the law of averages the franchise would eventually hit on someone.

Filling in spots on the D, but still no Tommie Harris, Mike Brown, or Urlacher type guys, the 2nd round safety may be a good player, but the defense needs a 3-tech DT to generate immediate inside pressure to succeed and those guys are hard to find, let alone a MLB with the range and size of Urlacher.

This year is really all about evaluating your first round QB and continuing to churn the roster as upgrades become available, the roster will look radically different this time next year.


I agree. The Bears need to treat Fields like a rookie and bring him along slowly. The Bears may get lucky with 1 or 2 of these guys on one year deals, but the 2023 team will be radically different from the 2022 team.

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That’s why I hate the Tampa 2 you need perfect (HOF caliper )players at like 4 positions for it to work



No, you don't Bob. Aaron Rodgers least favorite defense as well.

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A good chunk of Rodgers’ struggles in the first meeting can be boiled down to the Bucs’ use of two-deep structures. He has a history of not putting his best foot forward against Cover 2 teams, which was an issue early in his career. For whatever reason, Rodgers often appears less comfortable pulling the trigger against these looks, even if the throw he wants is, in fact, open. Some of Rodgers’ struggles against Tampa’s Cover 2 defense were self-inflicted, some of it was just excellent defense, but almost all of it went in favor of the Bucs.

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The line sucks because Poles sucks. Not because it's part of a "plan" for the line to suck.

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The line sucks because Poles sucks. Not because it's part of a "plan" for the line to suck.



Who do you think the linemen are that Poles should have signed?

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Anyone better than Borom and the other question marks.

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The line sucks because Poles sucks. Not because it's part of a "plan" for the line to suck.



Who do you think the linemen are that Poles should have signed?

Crest - you are on a bit of an island here as about the only one on record who likes what the Bears have done this offseason and who also regularly defends Poles. I’m curious what you think their record will be next season.

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The line sucks because Poles sucks. Not because it's part of a "plan" for the line to suck.



Who do you think the linemen are that Poles should have signed?

Crest - you are on a bit of an island here as about the only one on record who likes what the Bears have done this offseason and who also regularly defends Poles. I’m curious what you think their record will be next season.


What, you guys don't like Dakota Dozier as the starting RG for your 2022 Chicago Bears? Caught several podcasts today, and the best one's talked about how they hoped the starting RG was still not on the roster yet, the idea of going with Dozier or Mustipher is sobering at best, especially considering that Mustipher got blown up with regularity last year at center, and the little I've seen of Dozier is less than impressive.

Braxton Jones looks the part of an NFL tackle with prototypical size and arm length, but likely will take him some time to develop, not sure if you can throw him in at RT and move Borom inside to RG?


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I wouldn't be surprised if one of our draft tackles starts at guard.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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The line sucks because Poles sucks. Not because it's part of a "plan" for the line to suck.



Who do you think the linemen are that Poles should have signed?

Crest - you are on a bit of an island here as about the only one on record who likes what the Bears have done this offseason and who also regularly defends Poles. I’m curious what you think their record will be next season.



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The Bears will be 10-7 this year.

Barring injury, I think the defense will be much better


Does it put fear in your green heart that some Bears fans aren't panicking after a few months?

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I wouldn't be surprised if one of our draft tackles starts at guard.


Will be interesting to watch the roster battles on the oline, will the outside zone scheme that Getsy wants to run give them a better chance with younger guys, who really just need to get the Dline guy moving laterally instead of trying to hold blocks like Nagy's RPO? If Getsy runs the ball 5% more it will help out Fields, if they can use the same bootlegs and play action that Green Bay runs and get Fields outside of the pocket, you could see the offense raise it's level of play from bottom 5-10 to middle of the league which would be an immense improvement.


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I wouldn't be surprised if one of our draft tackles starts at guard.


Will be interesting to watch the roster battles on the oline, will the outside zone scheme that Getsy wants to run give them a better chance with younger guys, who really just need to get the Dline guy moving laterally instead of trying to hold blocks like Nagy's RPO? If Getsy runs the ball 5% more it will help out Fields, if they can use the same bootlegs and play action that Green Bay runs and get Fields outside of the pocket, you could see the offense raise it's level of play from bottom 5-10 to middle of the league which would be an immense improvement.


I would be absolutely shocked if we didn't see some version of the 49ers/Titans/Packers offense. It's a very quarterback friendly system, and it'll give Fields time to develop.

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Nas wrote:
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The line sucks because Poles sucks. Not because it's part of a "plan" for the line to suck.



Who do you think the linemen are that Poles should have signed?

Crest - you are on a bit of an island here as about the only one on record who likes what the Bears have done this offseason and who also regularly defends Poles. I’m curious what you think their record will be next season.



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The Bears will be 10-7 this year.

Barring injury, I think the defense will be much better


Does it put fear in your green heart that some Bears fans aren't panicking after a few months?

Easy with the Irish slurs.

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veganfan21 wrote:
The line sucks because Poles sucks. Not because it's part of a "plan" for the line to suck.



Who do you think the linemen are that Poles should have signed?

Crest - you are on a bit of an island here as about the only one on record who likes what the Bears have done this offseason and who also regularly defends Poles. I’m curious what you think their record will be next season.



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The Bears will be 10-7 this year.

Barring injury, I think the defense will be much better


Does it put fear in your green heart that some Bears fans aren't panicking after a few months?

Easy with the Irish slurs.


It's okay; I am about 5% Irish (maybe 12%).

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Nas wrote:
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I wouldn't be surprised if one of our draft tackles starts at guard.


Will be interesting to watch the roster battles on the oline, will the outside zone scheme that Getsy wants to run give them a better chance with younger guys, who really just need to get the Dline guy moving laterally instead of trying to hold blocks like Nagy's RPO? If Getsy runs the ball 5% more it will help out Fields, if they can use the same bootlegs and play action that Green Bay runs and get Fields outside of the pocket, you could see the offense raise it's level of play from bottom 5-10 to middle of the league which would be an immense improvement.


I would be absolutely shocked if we didn't see some version of the 49ers/Titans/Packers offense. It's a very quarterback friendly system, and it'll give Fields time to develop.



You need a WR threat and/or a line to block for play action for that to work. We have neither. All we have is Montgomery.

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I wouldn't be surprised if one of our draft tackles starts at guard.


Will be interesting to watch the roster battles on the oline, will the outside zone scheme that Getsy wants to run give them a better chance with younger guys, who really just need to get the Dline guy moving laterally instead of trying to hold blocks like Nagy's RPO? If Getsy runs the ball 5% more it will help out Fields, if they can use the same bootlegs and play action that Green Bay runs and get Fields outside of the pocket, you could see the offense raise it's level of play from bottom 5-10 to middle of the league which would be an immense improvement.


I would be absolutely shocked if we didn't see some version of the 49ers/Titans/Packers offense. It's a very quarterback friendly system, and it'll give Fields time to develop.



You need a WR threat and/or a line to block for play action for that to work. We have neither. All we have is Montgomery.


That is why they drafted a 4.3 guy in the 3rd round, just need a guy to threaten the D or get the DB to turn and run with a speed guy to open up cutback lanes, also think Herbert and Ebner are better fits for an offense that requires quick, one cut guys than Montgomery. If the offense works it will open up the chance for a few big runs every game as the Oline gets the D flowing one way and the back either cuts off the inside our outside shoulder of the lineman, if you have a back with some good top end speed he is 10 yards downfield before the safety can get to him, then you run play action off that and take a deep or quick shot depending if the LB or Safety bites on the play action.


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I hope it works out but the guy was a reach and he's known as a return guy more than he is a WR. Some teams are serious about giving their young QBs toys to play with. See the Eagles or Jets for examples. Other teams are the Bears.

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Nas wrote:
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The line sucks because Poles sucks. Not because it's part of a "plan" for the line to suck.



Who do you think the linemen are that Poles should have signed?

Crest - you are on a bit of an island here as about the only one on record who likes what the Bears have done this offseason and who also regularly defends Poles. I’m curious what you think their record will be next season.



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The Bears will be 10-7 this year.

Barring injury, I think the defense will be much better


Does it put fear in your green heart that some Bears fans aren't panicking after a few months?


Not at all.

Easier schedule.

Actual leadership.

I think the coaching will be much better. On both sides of the ball.

Way less big plays given up by the secondary because of a more simplified game plan.

The offense really can't get any worse then it did under Nagy.

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Nas wrote:
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The line sucks because Poles sucks. Not because it's part of a "plan" for the line to suck.



Who do you think the linemen are that Poles should have signed?

Crest - you are on a bit of an island here as about the only one on record who likes what the Bears have done this offseason and who also regularly defends Poles. I’m curious what you think their record will be next season.



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The Bears will be 10-7 this year.

Barring injury, I think the defense will be much better


Does it put fear in your green heart that some Bears fans aren't panicking after a few months?


Not at all.

Easier schedule.

Actual leadership.

I think the coaching will be much better. On both sides of the ball.

Way less big plays given up by the secondary because of a more simplified game plan.

The offense really can't get any worse then it did under Nagy.

I'm not going to be as optimistic is Seacrest, but I will admit that things (long-term) look better.

I get the sense that Poles came in and wasn't afraid to force some unpopular decision and roster moves. He identified there's a major financial issue with the roster and took sensible steps to clear wasted cap money. Draft wise, it appears that he recognizes there are so many holes on the roster, the only option was to approach the draft with selecting guys he feels will play on Sundays, regardless of position.

Yes, the schedule will be easier, but this 2022 Bears team is going to be bad. We won't know if the coaching staff is improved until the games start. It's hard to imagine they'd be worse, but the most telling aspects for me will be simple things like good balance of pass / run on offense and elimination of stupid penalties / mistakes.

I'm reserving judgment, but early indications show things will get better. Time will tell.

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The receivers are shitty and so is the line. Not sure why that generated any optimism on offense.

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After listening to Poles being interviewed on Kap & Hood, I think it's safe to say that Poles has no use for Kmet or Jenkins. Both have a lot of work to do to gain Poles' trust.

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What about the work Poles has to do to gain the players' trust. So far he hasn't done shit to upgrade anything except possibly the defensive backfield.

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What about the work Poles has to do to gain the players' trust. So far he hasn't done shit to upgrade anything except possibly the defensive backfield.


He brought an unproven Fields in to get an idea of what receivers he likes in the draft. He praises Mooney and Roquan every chance he gets. I don't think he cares much about anyone else yet.

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What about the work Poles has to do to gain the players' trust. So far he hasn't done shit to upgrade anything except possibly the defensive backfield.


He brought an unproven Fields in to get an idea of what receivers he likes in the draft. He praises Mooney and Roquan every chance he gets. I don't think he cares much about anyone else yet.

That should be more of a comfort imho.

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What about the work Poles has to do to gain the players' trust. So far he hasn't done shit to upgrade anything except possibly the defensive backfield.


He brought an unproven Fields in to get an idea of what receivers he likes in the draft. He praises Mooney and Roquan every chance he gets. I don't think he cares much about anyone else yet.

That should be more of a comfort imho.


What would be the most comforting would be clear upgrades at WR and OL to start.

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