Best homerun the Cubs had all series.

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Lee hit .535 in the series. If you're going to make fun of someone, pick someone that didn't hit. There's plenty of choices.

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And how many RBIs and runs scored did Mr Clutch Lee have this series?

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HE HIT .535!!! Is it his fault no one was on base when he hit and no one could hit him in when he did get on base?! What kinda moronic response is that?! He's the only one that showed up for the series!

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Once again, how many RBIs did he have? How many runs scored? How many left on base? How many runs did he give up by botting that double play ball? What good does a 2 out single do if he was up earlier with runners on and struck out? Sometimes, you need to tell your statistics to shut up.

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did anyone else hit .545? Go 6-11? No. Ok then. Soriano and Ramierez had chances for useless hits too. They didn't hit at all. Can't figure you out Frank, you're more intelligent than this. Who cares when he got his hits when everyone else DIDN'T HIT! He was the best offensive player for the Cubs in the series. Period.

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ward batted .333 with an rbi. he is series MVP for the cubs.

Ask and ye shall receive.
D. Lee was 6/11 2 LOB
Other starters
Soriano 1/14 6 LOB
Fontenot 1/5 2 LOB
Ramirez 2/11 7 LOB
Soto 2/11 6 LOB
Edmonds 2/10 3 LOB
DeRosa 4/12 4 LOB
Theriot 3/11 2 LOB
Fukudome 1/10 5 LOB

Lee was the team's best hitter and tied other starters for the least amount of runners left on base.
Swing and a miss Frank.

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He did also have at least one DP, and that DP he botched on defense (albeit along with DeRosa) went a long way toward costing the Cubs game 2.

Lee was better than he usually was during the season, but also somewhat typical; he had a bunch of hits with no one on and two outs.

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like I said, that's not under his control. Others came up with no one on and two outs and did nothing. At least he hit.

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So I stand somewhat corrected. Lee hit ok this series I guess.

But, when your #3 hitter has zero RBIs, that says a lot.

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RBI's are directly tied to people being on base. Take a look at who hit after him.

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Somewhat corrected?
Aramis Ramirez also grounded into a double play and left two runners in scoring position with two outs.
DeRosa grounded into a double play and left two runners in scoring position with two outs.
Lee grounded into the other double play.
Soriano, Ward, Harden and Fukudome also left a runner in scoring position with two outs.
The Cubs had six total errors in the series (Edmonds, DeRosa, Lee, Ramirez, Theriot, Harden).
DeRosa's error on an one-out double-play grounder took place before Lee's bobble.
Strike two, Frank.

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put him in left and take the risk of soriano in center....or put soriano back at 2nd base.

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I just believe Lee received too much criticism this season.
Here are his regular-season numbers and then his career average for each stat.
Hits -- 181/162 +19
Home runs -- 20/27 -7
Batting average -- 290/282 +8
Walks -- 73/71 +2
2B -- 41/36 +5
3B -- 3/3 even
Ks -- 119/133 +14
Slugging -- 462/497 -35
OBP -- 361/367 -6
OPS -- 823/864 -41
GIDP -- 27/12 -- 15

Ahead in five categories, behind in five categories.

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yeah, he got some what now seem to be meaningless 2-out hits, but if a-ram had driven him in, all of a sudden they are important hits. lee can't help that soriano and theriot cant get on base, and that ramirez was never able to get hold of one with men on. it is funny to hear all this D Lee hate, when he is the only guy that got on at all.

wasnt soriano statistically among the worst fielding 2nd basemen in the history of baseball? why would you want him handling the ball more?

At the same time, if he gets hits where there's not 2 outs, it doesn't fall on Ramirez every single time. Lee never manages to get a hit where it would actually help the Cubs.


Who the fuck are you crappin'? We all know what happens when runners get on ahead of Lee: he GIDPs.


Oooooh. He got on. He had an above-average series, and still failed to drive in a single run. That's his MO: he gets just enough hits to have deceptive stats. But when you look at the actual games, you see that he's rarely involved in meaningful runs.

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Matt's got it. Lee was just good enough to get you beat.

I can't believe all this DLee love. Kudos to him, he got a few singles. That were meaningless. And he is your #3 hitter which is supposed to be your biggest RBI guy. Ok, maybe there were guys who did worse, but I think everybody outside of the bullpen catcher shoulders some of the blame for this atrocity of a playoff series by the Cubs.

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wasnt soriano statistically among the worst fielding 2nd basemen in the history of baseball? why would you want him handling the ball more?[/quote]

do you want Manny or what? put him in center, switch him and fukudome...i don't know. i'm not a GM.

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Lou Piniella will say this at some point next season

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who was he supposed to be driving in? according to the numbers that Brian's Mojito posted, he only left 2 guys on the whole series. when he came up, nobody was on. when he got on, nobody batted him in.

hey, all i am saying is that of that entire lineup, he is the least to blame for the lack of production, so it seems odd that he is getting flamed along with soriano and ramirez, who left lots of guys on. soto was a no-show, too.

nice, frank.

that is true mofo...

the problem is that Lee hit his double with nobody on....and while he left two on, how many double plays did he hit into? i seem to recall a couple.

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there's not much Lee love on this board. I've been the only one defending him all season. doug, read the post. Lee hit into one DP. He was the only thing going in game 3. Who's better than him on the team in the playoffs? NOBODY. So pick on someone, ANYONE else. Lee showed up. Outside of a weak opposite field HR, no one else did.

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his power definitely has left him. he is not a home run threat anymore. moving him out of the 3-hole? sure, if they bring someone in who is a more bona-fide run producer. i dont agree with the thought he needs to go. yes, he hit into a ton of DP's, but he really toned that down after the all-star break. he had 19 at the break. he hit into 8 more all year. overall, 27 GDP is terrible for a year, but he did improve on that.

the cubs need a left-handed power stick. i dont think they need manny. they have right-handed power. they need a left-handed power threat in the middle of that order. i have no idea who is available, but that is the glaring weakness in the lineup in my eyes.

I don't know that they need more power. They just need a functional left hand bat, not a fill in from a last place team (Edmonds) or a flash in the pan (Fukudome) That reminds me, where are all the Edmonds defenders I encountered when I said Jim was done (note: this was after his triumphant first month and 1/2 with the Cubs) Jim needs to retire and the Cubs need Roberts-more contact, more speed.

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He could, *gasp*, hit a fucking home run. There, he drives himself in. But we all know that won't be happening.


Fair enough. Granted, he certainly sucked no more than the rest of the guys this series. I think the reason he's catching so much flak is due to the fact that everyone's looking forward, and trying to address areas of change for the future. And in Lee you have a #3 hitter who is simply not getting the job done as a #3 hitter. 20 home runs paired with 27 GIDPs is not acceptable for a high-dollar 3 hitter.

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They definitely need more power. How many teams had 3+ guys with 30 homeruns? Shit, our top HR guy would be a mediocre HR guy on the south side. Having two or three guys with 15-30 home runs as your "power" is simply not getting it done.

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How many teams do you really think? Only 3 teams with 3+ players with 30 HR. Who? Philadelphia, Florida and the White Sox. Not a big majority, eh? Not on the list? Boston (1), L.A. Dodgers (1), Milwaukee (2), Tampa Bay (1), and L.A. Angels (1). Hmmm...

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Saying he sucked no more than the rest of the guys is not a correct descriptive statement. He was far better than any other guy out there for the Cubs. And this series is the only one that counted for anything.

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