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That feels like the 3rd or 4th time this season where walking Ramirez made sense and they didn’t.


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Wow quite the break there.

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As soon as he came in, I groaned....so predictable

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Cease: Not ready for prime time.

Not sure how that is your take away from this game. He has battled his ass off. 1 run on 3 hits. What more can you ask of the guy?

You clearly haven’t been paying attention. A winning pitcher’s job is to give up less runs than the opposing pitcher. It doesn’t matter how many, it just has to be less. Also, something about losing more often when you give up the first run. I’ll bet you would never have thought about that one.

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I dont know why u wouldnt give Cease another inning. Yea, fuck 107 pitches. If it's a big game, ur ace guts it out.

David Wells once threw 147 pitches in a playoff game or some shit.

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I'm surprised at Robert's power numbers (12 HR 56 RBIs). It feels like he's hardly played this year, yet he has more power numbers than Eloy who we rave about.

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Time for Hendricks's histrionics!!

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Absolutely horrendous at bat from Robert

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Cleveland is clearly the better team. Better manager. better hitters through the entire line-up. And players who hustle their butts off. Its still a pretty average team but they are over-achievers and our guys are underachievers. When you best player is a rental that you scrounged from Oakland, this team doesn't have it. Didn't have it all season.

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Cleveland is clearly the better team. Better manager. better hitters through the entire line-up. And players who hustle their butts off. Its still a pretty average team but they are over-achievers and our guys are underachievers. When you best player is a rental that you scrounged from Oakland, this team doesn't have it. Didn't have it all season.



correct. Giving Cleveland a ghost runner, it's an automatic run for them.

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Absolutely horrendous at bat from Robert


I do not know why Robert is playing at all? Why not Sheets in the line-up? It feels like we are getting beat by a 3A team when we play Cleveland. half of that team just waits for walks and then steals bases and make defensive plays like all-stars. Abreu ties up the game and what does the lefty do? Wild pitch the first batter up and then walk him. bad Fing baseball.

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I had no idea Brian Shaw was still around.

Wan't he a setup man or some shit in the World Series days?

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I wonder if sjboyd is sleepin' right now.

I wonder what inning he gave up on it.

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Anybody that thought they would Sweep Cleveland was nuts.

How can u expect 'em to do something they've done only ONCE all year at home (vs DET)?

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Pitch Hendriks 2 innings. Give him off tonight. Go after game 1 aggressively.


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Cease: Not ready for prime time.

Not sure how that is your take away from this game. He has battled his ass off. 1 run on 3 hits. What more can you ask of the guy?

You clearly haven’t been paying attention. A winning pitcher’s job is to give up less runs than the opposing pitcher. It doesn’t matter how many, it just has to be less. Also, something about losing more often when you give up the first run. I’ll bet you would never have thought about that one.



Yeah, because Cease's early lack of control had nothing at all to do with losing that game. He walks two guys in the first two innings and you're immediately down 1-0. The team that scores first wins about 2/3 of all games. Last night wasn't an outlier.

He's your best pitcher and he can't hold a lead against a guy with a five and a half ERA. But he "battled." Good for him. Season over.

You can't really beat my argument so instead you snark and invent concepts like "run support."

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Wanna say he’s 2-2 with the ND last night last 5 starts. Im sure his stat line looks great though . Just like Lamar Jackson’s did.

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Wanna say he’s 2-2 with the ND last night last 5 starts. Im sure his stat line looks great though . Just like Lamar Jackson’s did.



It's a strange way of looking at the game. The biggest game of the season and this guy comes out without control and walks guys and then has to point the ball to get a strike and you're immediately in the hole. But that's someone else's fault.

When a real stud pitcher like Bumgarner or Smoltz takes the ball in a big situation and shuts the other team down, does that not matter? Are they just throwing the ball up there and getting lucky as they wait for "run support"?

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One team had 1 walk and 10 Ks. The other had 7 walks and 5 Ks. So I don't think it had much to do with who scored first or holding leads.

I'll just never get how a team is supposed to win with 6 pitchers over 5 innings. I don't know how it's strategic, I don't know how it's viable, and it certainly isn't fun.

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JORR for the most part I agree with your thoughts on pitching and pitchers, but I still dont know how you can be upset at Cease last night. 1 run and 4 hits.

How about the hitters who couldn’t hit an average pitcher?

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One team had 1 walk and 10 Ks. The other had 7 walks and 5 Ks. So I don't think it had much to do with who scored first or holding leads.

I'll just never get how a team is supposed to win with 6 pitchers over 5 innings. I don't know how it's strategic, I don't know how it's viable, and it certainly isn't fun.



Come on. It's when the walks occur. Yeah, Cease battled. He just wasn't good. It's the biggest game of the season. The top pitchers- the guys you remember- step up in those spots, not back.

Cease was the most important single player for the Sox in that game. He came up short. It doesn't make him a bum. He's a young guy. He should have chances to become a great pitcher.

You're right about all those pitching changes. When you use so many pitchers you're bound to find the guy who is having a bad day.

For me that game needed to be treated like a playoff or World Series elimination game. All hands on deck. If I need to have Lynn or Cueto for a couple innings, that has to happen. I'll worry about tomorrow tomorrow. Now tomorrow doesn't matter unless a series of highly unlikely events occurs.

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One team had 1 walk and 10 Ks. The other had 7 walks and 5 Ks. So I don't think it had much to do with who scored first or holding leads.

I'll just never get how a team is supposed to win with 6 pitchers over 5 innings. I don't know how it's strategic, I don't know how it's viable, and it certainly isn't fun.


The starter being expected to go 5 innings and out before he ZOMG !! has to go 3 times through the lineup is one of the worst things “ smart” baseball advocates have come with ever. The more you use the greater the chances are one of them isnt going to have it and get blown up . I cant believe people manage like that thinking its a good strategy.

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There's the guy who wasn't ready for prime time.

He absolutely choked last night.

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