I'm not saying the Sox hitters were great. But they eventually scored three runs (I'm not counting the silly extra innings with fake men on base). If I have a real contending team and it's the most important game of the season and I send my top pitcher to the mound and my team scores three, I expect to win. If not, I probably don't have a contending team and maybe I don't have a real top pitcher.

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That’s exactly JORR’s point though, Cease threw 107 pitches in five innings, Lambert wouldn’t even have to be out there if Cease had delivered in a big game.

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The only reason he had to appear was because our best pitcher threw ten pitches to every batter.

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He was winning when he left the game.

Your best pitcher battled through an off night against a first place team.

Jimmy Lambert got nervous and over threw every pitch.

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Cease pitched the way he did, because he has to try to strike guys out. He has a defense behind him (especially outfield) that is often horrible. He actually got 2 fabulous plays by Harrison in the game though.....credit where it is due. But anyone who wants to blame that loss on Cease is crazy. The bullpen, which was supposed to be fabulous this season was horrible yet again. At least they lost right away in this series, so their fans can give up their faint hope and accept reality.

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JORR doesn't have a point.

He started lashing out in the second inning last night and refuses to eat the shit sandwich he made for himself when Cease pitched through six innings.

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The Sox choke another one away and The Hawk is back! What a day!

3 runs rarely is enough in a Cease game or a Scherzer or Verlander game. These guys need help, from their fielders, their hitters, their bullpen, their manager. Now I'm done talking about this one guy, one run means everything nonsense.

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the guy's hand is in such bad shape that he he doesn't have a competitive swing and its been that way for weeks but instead of putting him on IL for 10 days several weeks ago, they give him a day off here and there only to come back with the same problem

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Here's what I mean about Cease not being ready for prime time. He's probably the most difficult pitcher to hit since Nolan Ryan. And he has the same weakness- lack of control. By certain measures, what he has done this season is comparable only to Gibson's 1968 or Arrieta's 2015.

But I remember when Arrieta was set to pitch that Wild Card game against Pittsburgh and some sports radio guys in Pittsburgh were talking shit and Arrieta said something like this, "It won't matter. I won't lose that game." I'm pretty sure he pitched a complete game shutout. That's a prime time pitcher.

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Cease was not good and the Sox lost. The proof is in the pudding. He's the most important guy in that game and he didn't step up.

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One run means a lot in a baseball game. A team that started with a 1-0 lead in every game would have a hell of a record after 162.

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I'm not disputing what you are saying but:

that only run he gave up was a double the LF played into a triple and then a short sac fly they wouldn't have attempted if there was an MLB level defender in RF

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If you don't want to blame Cease for that loss, don't credit Arrieta for beating the Pirates.

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The problem is, when you send your stud pitcher out in a game like that and you're suddenly down 1-0 right off the bat, it lets all the air out of the team.

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Arrietta was a grizzled veteran by that point and as you acknowledge, Cease is still young in his career. Hopefully this prepares him for bigger games in the future

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Yeah. And as you point out, Dylan Cease failing to be at his best in a big game is far from the biggest problem this team has.

They built a team designed to slug others into submission and figured defense wouldn't matter. But they never slugged.

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If 1 run lets the air of out of the team, they’re probably not very good to begin with irrespective of the pitcher.

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I don't think it's the run itself. It's situational. Players are human beings with thoughts and emotions. When Giolito is on the mound, I'm gonna say guys are thinking, "We're gonna need to score some tonight." They go into the game with a certain mindset. When your big dog is facing some bum with a 5.20 ERA, you go in feeling pretty good and when you're through two innings with forty-some pitches and a 1-0 deficit, I don't see how you don't think, "Here we go."

Now maybe that means your whole team isn't ready for prime time. In fact, I think it does. A real good team would say, "He ain't great tonight, we're gonna bomb this other guy." That ain't this Sox team.

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In the Cubs playoff game against Pittsburgh that JORR mentioned, Gerrit Cole gave up a run in the first inning to put his team down one to nothing. Do you think the Pirates thought “ we got this no worries “ knowing they facing Arrieta ( Who had not allowed a run in the previous 3 starts leading up to that) or they thought “ oh shit “ and started pressing right away in the bottom of the first? Seeing your stud give up a run right away in an important game as a huge psychological disadvantage

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Let's hear it with a warm welcome back for The Hawk.


"The Hawkeroo!"-Stone Pony

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This.

You cannot go to battle with that same OF defense next year. You desperately need a LH, power hitting, LF who plays great defense and, lo and behold, you have one who killed it in the minors. I don't want to hear about service time. He has to be here on opening day if he performs in spring training.

I think you can live with Eloy in RF if you are locking it down in CF and LF (although Robert was no where near the defender this year that he was previously). Also, Colas is a CF (2/3 of his games there this year) so we are covered for a Robert inevitability.

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Stupid Sox fans


Roger Clemens, 1990 21-6, 1.93 ERA, 209 Ks

Randy Johnson, 2002 24-5, 2.32 ERA, 260 IP, 334 Ks, 11.6K/9

Pedro Martinez, 1999 23-4, 2.07 ERA, 313 Ks, 13.2K/9

Stupid fuckin' Cubs fans.

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JORR does have a point. It is all hands on deck and Cease came out and was short of the Dominant pitcher he needed to be. He didn't lose the game, but this was very appropriate and emblematic of the 2022 white sox season....good, but not good enough.

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1 run in six innings isn't dominating.

Ok

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1 run and 4 hits over 6 innings seems good enough.

This one’s on Hahn. His lefty pitchers have been trash all year. He made one move at the deadline and that guy lost them the game. His love of 1B/DH guys scattered around the field gave Cleveland its only offense early on.

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But he left the game, having allowed only 1 run in 6 innings, and with a 3-1 lead. I would say that in a must-win game, would have liked to see him throw 120 pitches and come out for the 7th, but I'm guessing that was a manager's decision, not Cease. Lambert coming out, after them taking the lead, and then walking the 7 and 8 hitters would be my "top choice" of why they lost, but there are plenty to choose from.

This team has 100 reasons to blame for them not making the playoffs. Nitpicking each loss just seems pointless, because of how many places you can look....

OF is atrocious. There are hits, extra bases and runs given up every game.
They have C's that can't catch, but on the bright side, they can't hit either.
No power. Judge has 60 HR's. The top 4 Sox "sluggers" have 59 combined.
and on and on...

Cease got out of the first inning without giving up a run. He probably doesn't give up a run in the second if Pollock doesn't fall down like a dumbass and just tries to play like ball like a normal LF. Eloy probably gets to that ball and keeps the runner at second. I would venture to say that the team that is up two runs in the 7th wins about 2/3 of all games.

1R, 4H over 6 innings from your starter? I'll take that in a 'playoff' game ten times out of ten. Anybody who says that isn't good enough is either an genius, or a Cubs fan, or both.

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