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Lamar Jackson has 13 touchdowns after 3 games. After yesterday, I'm not confident Justin Fields will have 13 touchdowns by December 1st. Maybe he needs to wake up 2 hours earlier.

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I just saw that this morning and chuckled.

I don't know that we are at that place. But sadly the arrow for Fields is definitely pointing down more and more.


(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is statistically the best quarterback in the history of the franchise. He wasn't Jonathan Quinn. Fields hasn't been as productive as Jonathan Quinn was in 2004.


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Tall Midget wrote:
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I just saw that this morning and chuckled.

I don't know that we are at that place. But sadly the arrow for Fields is definitely pointing down more and more.


(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is statistically the best quarterback in the history of the franchise. He wasn't Jonathan Quinn. Fields hasn't been as productive as Jonathan Quinn was in 2004.


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:lol: Did he toss a few bullets to the reporters after that statement?

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Not true, Kramer only tried to kill himself after he was a Bear.


He failed.

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RFDC wrote:
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I just saw that this morning and chuckled.

I don't know that we are at that place. But sadly the arrow for Fields is definitely pointing down more and more.


Fields looked as bad yesterday as he did at any point last season except, perhaps, the Cleveland game.

He appears to be lost and defeated. Things may get worse before they get better.

I have no faith in Fields' ability to fight through this adversity.

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I was thinking he may have needed to be torn down before he could be built back up. Every time I hear him speak, I think rebuilding is unlikely. He's too much of a brat.

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Don't look for it to get better next week. Giants DC and former Ravens DC Matrindale has a long history of dismantling young quarterbacks.


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Tall Midget wrote:
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I just saw that this morning and chuckled.

I don't know that we are at that place. But sadly the arrow for Fields is definitely pointing down more and more.


Fields looked as bad yesterday as he did at any point last season except, perhaps, the Cleveland game.

He appears to be lost and defeated. Things may get worse before they get better.

I have no faith in Fields' ability to fight through this adversity.


they were praising him for switching release points on the run. However, he also does it on normal passes which reduces his control. It did look like regression.

Get the hand above the shoulder and get on top of it.

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Don't look for it to get better next week. Giants DC and former Ravens DC Matrindale has a long history of dismantling young quarterbacks.


It's a short week for them. Fields should have a really good game in the next month. I thought it would be on Sunday.

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he doesn't even look like a QB
I could see if he was just barely missing throws, they're getting tipped, bad luck, etc.
He just sucks. Its sad obv, but reality.


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Why do we need to keep evaluating Fields to try and find hope that he will be good one day ? Did people keep hanging on and make excuses for Josh Rosen and say he needs more time before we can say he sucks ? Brady Quinn ? Its amazing what kind of room one good quarter against a bad Steeler team buys you.

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Nas wrote:
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Don't look for it to get better next week. Giants DC and former Ravens DC Matrindale has a long history of dismantling young quarterbacks.


It's a short week for them. Fields should have a really good game in the next month. I thought it would be on Sunday.


He should have been able to string a bunch of those 8-12 yard throws together against Lovie's Cover Who? defense...


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Lamar Jackson has 13 touchdowns after 3 games. After yesterday, I'm not confident Justin Fields will have 13 touchdowns by December 1st. Maybe he needs to wake up 2 hours earlier.


Of what year?

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Don't look for it to get better next week. Giants DC and former Ravens DC Matrindale has a long history of dismantling young quarterbacks.


It's a short week for them. Fields should have a really good game in the next month. I thought it would be on Sunday.


He should have been able to string a bunch of those 8-12 yard throws together against Lovie's Cover Who? defense...


Yep, and his two picks were long throws which the cover-2 is designed to stop...go figure...

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Fields is at a tremendous advantage how fleet & nimble of foot he is. If he was slow of foot and had to stay in the pocket his numbers would be even worse.


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Why do we need to keep evaluating Fields to try and find hope that he will be good one day ? Did people keep hanging on and make excuses for Josh Rosen and say he needs more time before we can say he sucks ? Brady Quinn ? Its amazing what kind of room one good quarter against a bad Steeler team buys you.


All we have is hope. We have to hope Fields figures things out until we get another quarterback we can hope breaks the franchise curse.

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Caller Bob wrote:
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Don't look for it to get better next week. Giants DC and former Ravens DC Matrindale has a long history of dismantling young quarterbacks.


It's a short week for them. Fields should have a really good game in the next month. I thought it would be on Sunday.


He should have been able to string a bunch of those 8-12 yard throws together against Lovie's Cover Who? defense...


All but 2 of his attempts were off target by at least 3 feet.

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I was thinking he may have needed to be torn down before he could be built back up. Every time I hear him speak, I think rebuilding is unlikely. He's too much of a brat.


What do you want to hear from him that might change your opinion of Fields?

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Nas wrote:
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Why do we need to keep evaluating Fields to try and find hope that he will be good one day ? Did people keep hanging on and make excuses for Josh Rosen and say he needs more time before we can say he sucks ? Brady Quinn ? Its amazing what kind of room one good quarter against a bad Steeler team buys you.


All we have is hope. We have to hope Fields figures things out until we get another quarterback we can hope breaks the franchise curse.

I guess what Im saying is why was it ok to determine that those 2 qbs were not going to be the guy and cut bait after limited starts with bad teams but not Fields ?

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He had one throw that I said, Yes! there it is, do it again but to your second option and he never did. You can see when his first option is covered, he sees the second option and looks like he wants to throw it, but hesitates and the window and pocket is closed. He needs to gain the confidence to pull the trigger on his reads. If he does that he will be fine. Someone needs to help him find his confidence.


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I was thinking he may have needed to be torn down before he could be built back up. Every time I hear him speak, I think rebuilding is unlikely. He's too much of a brat.


What do you want to hear from him that might change your opinion of Fields?


Less entitlement. More self awareness and accountability. Then evidence on the field that he's improving his craft.

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Why do we need to keep evaluating Fields to try and find hope that he will be good one day ? Did people keep hanging on and make excuses for Josh Rosen and say he needs more time before we can say he sucks ? Brady Quinn ? Its amazing what kind of room one good quarter against a bad Steeler team buys you.


All we have is hope. We have to hope Fields figures things out until we get another quarterback we can hope breaks the franchise curse.

I guess what Im saying is why was it ok to determine that those 2 qbs were not going to be the guy and cut bait after limited starts with bad teams but not Fields ?


Those guys weren't Bears. It's easier to tease Packers fans about Love and Kizer being overdrafted bums.

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Why do we need to keep evaluating Fields to try and find hope that he will be good one day ? Did people keep hanging on and make excuses for Josh Rosen and say he needs more time before we can say he sucks ? Brady Quinn ? Its amazing what kind of room one good quarter against a bad Steeler team buys you.


All we have is hope. We have to hope Fields figures things out until we get another quarterback we can hope breaks the franchise curse.

I guess what Im saying is why was it ok to determine that those 2 qbs were not going to be the guy and cut bait after limited starts with bad teams but not Fields ?



The Bears invested two first-round picks in Fields. They need to make sure he isn't the guy before moving on from him. Failing to do so would be irresponsible.

It also benefits their long-term interests to have a top-5 pick next year, so benching him may not be desirable.

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Why do we need to keep evaluating Fields to try and find hope that he will be good one day ? Did people keep hanging on and make excuses for Josh Rosen and say he needs more time before we can say he sucks ? Brady Quinn ? Its amazing what kind of room one good quarter against a bad Steeler team buys you.


All we have is hope. We have to hope Fields figures things out until we get another quarterback we can hope breaks the franchise curse.

I guess what Im saying is why was it ok to determine that those 2 qbs were not going to be the guy and cut bait after limited starts with bad teams but not Fields ?



The Bears invested two first-round picks in Fields. They need to make sure he isn't the guy before moving on from him. Failing to do so would be irresponsible.

It also benefits their long-term interests to have a top-5 pick next year, so benching him may not be desirable.


Idk about the other cases. I think for a first round pick with a clear track record of success in college you have to provide sufficient space to collect as much NFL level data as possible to assess performance. Bad rouge, it seems like you wanted to write fields off after the Cleveland game. That's not enough of a sample size. Personally, I'd put the sample size at around 25 starts or so, which is about 1.5 seasons. That should produce enough data about the QBs performance at the NFL level to determine next steps.

I'll slightly disagree with TM on the impetus behind giving Fields time - I don't think it's the big investment, I see that as a sunk cost anyway. I think you'd give him time even if the investment was just a fourth rounder and all else remained the same (his track record, his potential, etc).

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Tall Midget wrote:
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Why do we need to keep evaluating Fields to try and find hope that he will be good one day ? Did people keep hanging on and make excuses for Josh Rosen and say he needs more time before we can say he sucks ? Brady Quinn ? Its amazing what kind of room one good quarter against a bad Steeler team buys you.


All we have is hope. We have to hope Fields figures things out until we get another quarterback we can hope breaks the franchise curse.

I guess what Im saying is why was it ok to determine that those 2 qbs were not going to be the guy and cut bait after limited starts with bad teams but not Fields ?



The Bears invested two first-round picks in Fields. They need to make sure he isn't the guy before moving on from him. Failing to do so would be irresponsible.

It also benefits their long-term interests to have a top-5 pick next year, so benching him may not be desirable.


The previous regime invested two round picks in Fields, not the current regime... If they don't think he's the guy they will move on in a flash.


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Inability to read a defense and horrible accuracy, those are things that don't really get fixed at this point. You fix those in HS maybe, early college. How do you fix those as a professional? You don't. You flame out of the league.


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. Bad rouge, it seems like you wanted to write fields off after the Cleveland game. That's not enough of a sample size. Personally, I'd put the sample size at around 25 starts or so, which is c).

Because sometimes its so evident you just know. Like in the Quinn, Rosen, Claussen , and hundreds of more cases. Very few people seem to be willing to admit that in this case when he's been abjectly terrible all along but he's getting this huge benefit of the doubt not reserved for others of similar production

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. Bad rouge, it seems like you wanted to write fields off after the Cleveland game. That's not enough of a sample size. Personally, I'd put the sample size at around 25 starts or so, which is c).

Because sometimes its so evident you just know. Like in the Quinn, Rosen, Claussen , and hundreds of more cases. Very few people seem to be willing to admit that in this case when he's been abjectly terrible all along.


"Knowing" doesn't eliminate hope when you are a fan. My eyes and ears have told me Fields wasn't the guy for a while. I hoped that I was wrong. I still cling to a twig of hope that I'm wrong.

You view other teams bums differently.

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