I don't see how you can compare Bochy to LaRussa. Bochy managed the Giants up until 2019. That is not that long ago. LaRussa had been out of the dugout for 10 years and was about 10 years older than Bochy when he took over the Sox.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

They need some new player leadership as well.

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He's been out of the game for four years. I guess he isn't hated by The Woke though.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

There's no question. I'd trade Anderson and try to sign Swanson. But that is too un-Soxlike.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

This has nothing to do with Woke anything.

The 10 years LaRussa was out of the game things changed a lot. The game was very different.

The time that Bochy has been gone has not been nearly as different.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

He is 67, too damn old

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The more I think about this the more I would probably go with a guy like Sandy Alomar. He has been around the game for a long time. He would have credibility with the guys on the team. He comes from an organization that does things the way you would want the Sox to be run. Seems like he checks the most boxes.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

I see your Sandy Alomar and I raise you a Robbie Alomar.

Kenny always gets his man.

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GONE!

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Why do we hate age and experience? When a pitcher needed Tommy John surgery, they called James Andrews. They didn't reach out to some kid fresh out of school.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

I’d be fine with them hiring James Andrews.

Don’t think Jerry would spring for him though.

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"don't hustle", said the manager.
"don't worry about this 2nd game of the doubleheader" said the manager.
"Leury is good, not like everybody says", said the manager.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

About the only promising thing I get from Hahn is he prefers MLB experience or at least managing experience. There is no time for anyone to learn. I agree on Bochy being too old as well.

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Elections have consequences.

What's wrong with Alomar that he hasn't ever gotten a big league managing job? I think that's a legit question.

Anyway, manager talk is just a distraction from the actual problems with this team.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Of course it does. LaRussa didn't forget baseball in the last ten years. He's arguably he greatest manager ever if you believe in such a thing. Baseball had nothing to do with why people like Herb Lawrence were screaming "NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!" when he was hired.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Yet baseball had nearly everything to do with why people were celebrating TLR's departure.

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yeah I dont know, I would have thought he would have had a job by now.

The manager talk is a distraction in ways, but the culture of the team is a part of the problems and the manager does have a huge impact on that. I agree with a lot of your thoughts on managers, but he does impact the culture. And because of that this next hire is pretty important IMO.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

If they really wanted to win they'd hire Pat Murphy.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

It's Abreu who was supposed to be The Cuban Whisperer, and it was those guys who were most disappointing. He did lead by example, playing through obvious pain. Maybe he doesn't have it in him to give some tough love.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

I think his makeup is similar to Konerko. These guys can lead by example, but they aren't natural leaders. They command respect because of who they are and what they've done, but they aren't vocal leaders.

So with this team, "leadership" falls to Anderson who really seems like a guy who is up his own ass. It's hard to know for sure as we aren't in the clubhouse. But I think everyone can see that there is a problem with the culture and that these bums quit.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Jason Heyward is available...

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An unjust law is no law at all--St. Augustine of Hippo

Cause tried and true
I see the light in you
Oh, can you dig in my soul?
Could you smell my whole...
life?--Gener and Deaner

I could totally see it being Willie Harris.
I guess that's fine. As has already been said, manager isn't the problem.

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The manager(definition:one who leads) set the tone this year, and he did it early. But he means nothing. Yet somehow Tim Anderson or Abreu have to be leaders.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

Ok, ok. Not great but not insurmountable. Let’s just look to the other side of the field and grab his longtime DP partner.

Granted, Omar Vizquel isn’t a Sox legend like Robbie Alomar, but maybe enough of Robbie rubbed off on him that Kenny won’t notice. We’ll be fine.

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Agree with the first part of this, but TLR was not alone in this. The Sox organization as a whole allows for this sort of not caring and laziness. They have been shoddy defensively and on the bases for years. To tell you the truth, Renteria was the only one who seemed to care at all as he benched players. Now you can argue about that being helpful or not, but at least he tried something.

Managers can matter, but the White Sox manager won't matter because as long as Kenny and Jerry are running things, nothing will change. The White Sox organization as whole sets the tone of allowing guys to genuinely not care or not hustle. Look no further than this year. On paper, Cleveland doesn't have a better roster than the Sox. But there is no question they played the game differently and that is why they won the division and the Sox have two meaningless games left.

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This whole organization needs an enema. Debating the merits of various managerial candidates is the equivalent of arguing about how best to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.

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Sandy? He will be the Guardians manager in a couple of years. Why would be want to work for Kenny Williams?

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

Yeah, that's pretty much how it works. The manager is some old guy who writes the lineup and sits on the bench. The players run the clubhouse.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

This. Attributing anyone who disliked the hire of TLR to his politics is both lazy and (in most cases) wrong.

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“Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation’s highest office.”- JD Vance
“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
“I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy”- JD Vance

Lazy and wrong narrative is that a guy that’s been managing for 30 years couldn’t adapt to “today’s” player and game after being gone for only 10 years. The fucking game didn’t change at all. See the ball, hit the ball, catch the ball , pitch the ball.

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