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Morale is at an all time low, they should have never signed Jay or Alonso and just offered Manny 12 years 325.

Would you rather have:

1) Bryce Harper and Manny Machado for $55M per year

2) Ivan Nova, James McCann, Kelvin Herrera, Alex Colome, Yonder Alonso, Jon Jay, and Ervin Santana for $44M per year.


Any time you can take Group 2 you gotta do it.


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Holy shit that’s a horrible sports thought.


I think he was being sarcastic.

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Machado was there for the taking. I don't think Harper was all that interested.

Machado is a winner who's matured as a person. Not sure he is either in Chicago.



From a strictly baseball perspective- I don't mean clubhouse persona or leadership- Harper would be a really good fit for the White Sox.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
312player wrote:
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Morale is at an all time low, they should have never signed Jay or Alonso and just offered Manny 12 years 325.

Would you rather have:

1) Bryce Harper and Manny Machado for $55M per year

2) Ivan Nova, James McCann, Kelvin Herrera, Alex Colome, Yonder Alonso, Jon Jay, and Ervin Santana for $44M per year.


Any time you can take Group 2 you gotta do it.


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Holy shit that’s a horrible sports thought.


I think he was being sarcastic.

It's a point many Sox fans have made. This last offseason included. Got like a 3 WAR for $40 million.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Machado was there for the taking. I don't think Harper was all that interested.

Machado is a winner who's matured as a person. Not sure he is either in Chicago.



From a strictly baseball perspective- I don't mean clubhouse persona or leadership- Harper would be a really good fit for the White Sox.


A guy that's pretty close to a lock to hit near 300 and blast 30 HR's would be a really good fit? Those are some deep baseball thoughts.


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Machado was there for the taking. I don't think Harper was all that interested.

Machado is a winner who's matured as a person. Not sure he is either in Chicago.



From a strictly baseball perspective- I don't mean clubhouse persona or leadership- Harper would be a really good fit for the White Sox.


A guy that's pretty close to a lock to hit near 300 and blast 30 HR's would be a really good fit? Those are some deep baseball thoughts.


Hey pay attention, shithead. Nardi and I were talking about Harper and Machado. The Sox desperately need a lefthanded bat.

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FF was definitely being sarcastic back then. He wanted them to go all in on some stars.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Machado was there for the taking. I don't think Harper was all that interested.

Machado is a winner who's matured as a person. Not sure he is either in Chicago.



From a strictly baseball perspective- I don't mean clubhouse persona or leadership- Harper would be a really good fit for the White Sox.


A guy that's pretty close to a lock to hit near 300 and blast 30 HR's would be a really good fit? Those are some deep baseball thoughts.


Hey pay attention, shithead. Nardi and I were talking about Harper and Machado. The Sox desperately need a lefthanded bat.



What do you think about Bellanger to play center field? He's still young and is a very good center fielder. Dodgers are talking about not bringing him back. He checks a lot of boxes for me and if he figures out his swing mechanics it would be a steal for them. First thing I would do would be to bring Jim Thome in as hitting instructor to work with both he and Gavin Sheets as well as Moncada if he is still on the roster.

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MLB is working to get away from the 3 outcome AB. Jim Thome is the epitome of the the 3 outcome AB. Plus he seems like a dim bulb.

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MLB is working to get away from the 3 outcome AB. Jim Thome is the epitome of the the 3 outcome AB. Plus he seems like a dim bulb.


He's from Peoria.

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Nardi wrote:
MLB is working to get away from the 3 outcome AB. Jim Thome is the epitome of the the 3 outcome AB. Plus he seems like a dim bulb.


Thome was a much better hitter than that. He had about 2400 hits in his career and a .276 batting average. HE was able to adjust his stroke as he aged and got many of his home runs to left and left center. He is also not some dimwit. He knows a lot about baseball and especially power hitting and setting up a pitcher. He also is about the nicest person in all of baseball.

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MLB is working to get away from the 3 outcome AB. Jim Thome is the epitome of the the 3 outcome AB. Plus he seems like a dim bulb.


Thome was a much better hitter than that. He had about 2400 hits in his career and a .276 batting average. HE was able to adjust his stroke as he aged and got many of his home runs to left and left center. He is also not some dimwit. He knows a lot about baseball and especially power hitting and setting up a pitcher. He also is about the nicest person in all of baseball.

There's not a hitting coach anywhere who can teach opposite field power. That is what separated him and it's nothing but a gift. Bonds was a total failure as a coach. Ted Williams, the same thing. I think the future is less Ks with the new shift rules. What does he have to offer in that regard?

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Nardi wrote:
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Nardi wrote:
MLB is working to get away from the 3 outcome AB. Jim Thome is the epitome of the the 3 outcome AB. Plus he seems like a dim bulb.


Thome was a much better hitter than that. He had about 2400 hits in his career and a .276 batting average. HE was able to adjust his stroke as he aged and got many of his home runs to left and left center. He is also not some dimwit. He knows a lot about baseball and especially power hitting and setting up a pitcher. He also is about the nicest person in all of baseball.

There's not a hitting coach anywhere who can teach opposite field power. That is what separated him and it's nothing but a gift. Bonds was a total failure as a coach. Ted Williams, the same thing. I think the future is less Ks with the new shift rules. What does he have to offer in that regard?



Baloney. In fact I watched Thome explain the adjustment that he made in his last third of his career for hitting with power to left and left center field. Certainly Thome was gifted as a terrific hitter. However, every hitter that makes it to the majors is gifted also or they would be there. Paulie also could be a terrific hitting instructor. What happened in baseball is the shift it made to reward pure power hitters and the fascination with the home run. Guys like Moncada drive me nuts with their all or nothing swings instead of making contact and hitting the other way.

I don't know about bring Thome in as a manager. He's not my choice and reminds me of the Ventura hire. I'd prefer hiring Bochey with AJ being my second choice. But Thome as a hitting asset makes terrific sense to me.

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The Hawk wrote:
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The Hawk wrote:
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MLB is working to get away from the 3 outcome AB. Jim Thome is the epitome of the the 3 outcome AB. Plus he seems like a dim bulb.


Thome was a much better hitter than that. He had about 2400 hits in his career and a .276 batting average. HE was able to adjust his stroke as he aged and got many of his home runs to left and left center. He is also not some dimwit. He knows a lot about baseball and especially power hitting and setting up a pitcher. He also is about the nicest person in all of baseball.

There's not a hitting coach anywhere who can teach opposite field power. That is what separated him and it's nothing but a gift. Bonds was a total failure as a coach. Ted Williams, the same thing. I think the future is less Ks with the new shift rules. What does he have to offer in that regard?



In fact I watched Thome explain the adjustment that he made in his last third of his career for hitting with power to left and left center field.


Is it something online? I'd be interested in hearing about the adjustment.

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Nardi wrote:
The Hawk wrote:
Nardi wrote:
The Hawk wrote:
Nardi wrote:
MLB is working to get away from the 3 outcome AB. Jim Thome is the epitome of the the 3 outcome AB. Plus he seems like a dim bulb.


Thome was a much better hitter than that. He had about 2400 hits in his career and a .276 batting average. HE was able to adjust his stroke as he aged and got many of his home runs to left and left center. He is also not some dimwit. He knows a lot about baseball and especially power hitting and setting up a pitcher. He also is about the nicest person in all of baseball.

There's not a hitting coach anywhere who can teach opposite field power. That is what separated him and it's nothing but a gift. Bonds was a total failure as a coach. Ted Williams, the same thing. I think the future is less Ks with the new shift rules. What does he have to offer in that regard?



In fact I watched Thome explain the adjustment that he made in his last third of his career for hitting with power to left and left center field.


Is it something online? I'd be interested in hearing about the adjustment.


I don't know about where you could find it. I saw it maybe 3 years ago on one of those Baseball Tonight shows with Reynolds or Ripken. What you probably know though is that Thome was a pupil early on of Charlie Manuel who recommended his unique stance and trigger point. Thome focused greatly on his hand drop with the knob of the bat focused on the catcher's mitt. He made sure that his head was always behind the ball. and was not focused on "launching" the ball like today's hitters have been doing so much.

He had a similar approach to hitting as Ted Williams focusing on his hands and his hips rotating. His focus, though was not trying to beat the shift per se because he was a power hitter and didn't give in to the shifts per se nor did Williams but he looked to pitchers to pitch him the other way and when they did he still retained the plate coverage he needed to take that outside pitch out of the park to left and left center. His enemy so to speak was the baseball and was looking to hit that ball hard using his hip turn and hand speed to drive it out of the park.

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The Hawk wrote:
Nardi wrote:
The Hawk wrote:
Nardi wrote:
The Hawk wrote:
Nardi wrote:
MLB is working to get away from the 3 outcome AB. Jim Thome is the epitome of the the 3 outcome AB. Plus he seems like a dim bulb.


Thome was a much better hitter than that. He had about 2400 hits in his career and a .276 batting average. HE was able to adjust his stroke as he aged and got many of his home runs to left and left center. He is also not some dimwit. He knows a lot about baseball and especially power hitting and setting up a pitcher. He also is about the nicest person in all of baseball.

There's not a hitting coach anywhere who can teach opposite field power. That is what separated him and it's nothing but a gift. Bonds was a total failure as a coach. Ted Williams, the same thing. I think the future is less Ks with the new shift rules. What does he have to offer in that regard?



In fact I watched Thome explain the adjustment that he made in his last third of his career for hitting with power to left and left center field.


Is it something online? I'd be interested in hearing about the adjustment.


I don't know about where you could find it. I saw it maybe 3 years ago on one of those Baseball Tonight shows with Reynolds or Ripken. What you probably know though is that Thome was a pupil early on of Charlie Manuel who recommended his unique stance and trigger point. Thome focused greatly on his hand drop with the knob of the bat focused on the catcher's mitt. He made sure that his head was always behind the ball. and was not focused on "launching" the ball like today's hitters have been doing so much.

He had a similar approach to hitting as Ted Williams focusing on his hands and his hips rotating. His focus, though was not trying to beat the shift per se because he was a power hitter and didn't give in to the shifts per se nor did Williams but he looked to pitchers to pitch him the other way and when they did he still retained the plate coverage he needed to take that outside pitch out of the park to left and left center. His enemy so to speak was the baseball and was looking to hit that ball hard using his hip turn and hand speed to drive it out of the park.


I remember him a couple years ago on MLB network helping the chick out trying to hit.


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The Hawk wrote:
Nardi wrote:
The Hawk wrote:
Nardi wrote:
The Hawk wrote:
Nardi wrote:
MLB is working to get away from the 3 outcome AB. Jim Thome is the epitome of the the 3 outcome AB. Plus he seems like a dim bulb.


Thome was a much better hitter than that. He had about 2400 hits in his career and a .276 batting average. HE was able to adjust his stroke as he aged and got many of his home runs to left and left center. He is also not some dimwit. He knows a lot about baseball and especially power hitting and setting up a pitcher. He also is about the nicest person in all of baseball.

There's not a hitting coach anywhere who can teach opposite field power. That is what separated him and it's nothing but a gift. Bonds was a total failure as a coach. Ted Williams, the same thing. I think the future is less Ks with the new shift rules. What does he have to offer in that regard?



In fact I watched Thome explain the adjustment that he made in his last third of his career for hitting with power to left and left center field.


Is it something online? I'd be interested in hearing about the adjustment.


I don't know about where you could find it. I saw it maybe 3 years ago on one of those Baseball Tonight shows with Reynolds or Ripken. What you probably know though is that Thome was a pupil early on of Charlie Manuel who recommended his unique stance and trigger point. Thome focused greatly on his hand drop with the knob of the bat focused on the catcher's mitt. He made sure that his head was always behind the ball. and was not focused on "launching" the ball like today's hitters have been doing so much.

He had a similar approach to hitting as Ted Williams focusing on his hands and his hips rotating. His focus, though was not trying to beat the shift per se because he was a power hitter and didn't give in to the shifts per se nor did Williams but he looked to pitchers to pitch him the other way and when they did he still retained the plate coverage he needed to take that outside pitch out of the park to left and left center. His enemy so to speak was the baseball and was looking to hit that ball hard using his hip turn and hand speed to drive it out of the park.

Charlie Manuel is top notch. If I recall, he's a balance guy. The Freddie Freeman swing is a perfect swing to Manuel.

The fact of the matter is Thome had to LOOK for the pitch away. If he wasn't, he would roll it over just like any other power hitter. But I do agree launch angle is a hindrance to oppo power.

Now if you tell me Thome is a balls deep Manuel disciple, then sure, why not, give him a shot. History is a b!tch though when the gifted are batting instructors.

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