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A forth is good but he did have a season last year.

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Frank or Seacrest, how ironic, can you explain to our friend Caller Bob what is going on here?

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Just imagine if TLR wept, and was ushered away in emotional shambles over a trade when informed in mid press conference. The Score would have viciously mocked, and attacked him for being weak minded, and feeble. When Roquan Smith meltdowns the Score in consensus praises him as a strong, caring, hard working, selfless leader.



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I'll be interested to see if Quinn suddenly turns it on and has 10 sacks the remainder of the season for a contender. A 4th for him is fine I guess. I would hope they could get a 2nd for Smith if there was any takers but even that might be tough. I'd rather keep him for less than that.

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Did Roquan burst into tears because he is close to Quinn or because he was upset that he hasn't been traded? Heartbreaking!


Brad Biggs said he heard this comment from someone else this morning on Mully & Hanley. He must read the board!

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A 4th round pic is like a flyer handed to you outside the club, "Here, you throw this worthless item in the trash for me please"


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A 4th round pic is like a flyer handed to you outside the club, "Here, you throw this worthless item in the trash for me please"

you have some really strange takes on draft picks.

This is a player that is not in the future plans so it is a no brainer to get something for him. The only criticism can be that they should have traded him in the offseason where they possibly could have got a better pick.

But a 4th round pick is not worthless at all. Every year there are really good players taken in the 4th round.

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That 4th rounder isn't meaningless. We could get Matt Ryan next year with it!

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Hussra wrote:
A 4th round pic is like a flyer handed to you outside the club, "Here, you throw this worthless item in the trash for me please"

you have some really strange takes on draft picks.

This is a player that is not in the future plans so it is a no brainer to get something for him. The only criticism can be that they should have traded him in the offseason where they possibly could have got a better pick.

But a 4th round pick is not worthless at all. Every year there are really good players taken in the 4th round.

My only minor quibble is that the NFC sucks and the Eagles have looked very good, so that 4th will end up a borderline 5th.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Trade
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Hussra wrote:
A 4th round pic is like a flyer handed to you outside the club, "Here, you throw this worthless item in the trash for me please"

you have some really strange takes on draft picks.

This is a player that is not in the future plans so it is a no brainer to get something for him. The only criticism can be that they should have traded him in the offseason where they possibly could have got a better pick.

But a 4th round pick is not worthless at all. Every year there are really good players taken in the 4th round.

My only minor quibble is that the NFC sucks and the Eagles have looked very good, so that 4th will end up a borderline 5th.

yeah it would be better to have a pick in the top half of a round, but unfortunately those teams are not interested in adding players this time of year.

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Just imagine if TLR wept, and was ushered away in emotional shambles over a trade when informed in mid press conference. The Score would have viciously mocked, and attacked him for being weak minded, and feeble. When Roquan Smith meltdowns the Score in consensus praises him as a strong, caring, hard working, selfless leader.


Nobody said that at all. You are really a strange dude.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Trade
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Hussra wrote:
A 4th round pic is like a flyer handed to you outside the club, "Here, you throw this worthless item in the trash for me please"

you have some really strange takes on draft picks.

This is a player that is not in the future plans so it is a no brainer to get something for him. The only criticism can be that they should have traded him in the offseason where they possibly could have got a better pick.

But a 4th round pick is not worthless at all. Every year there are really good players taken in the 4th round.


Dom Robinson was getting more and more snaps and making more plays which made it easier for Poles to pull the trigger. They need to significantly upgrade the front seven, but they are likely encouraged by the growth in the draft picks and figure they may as well take an extended look and live with the growing pains as they either develop into quality starters, or prove to be at least good backups as Poles rebuilds the roster.

Or use it to move up a few slots in an earlier round, NFL teams place a huge value on mid round picks because at the very least it gives you quality depth pieces with the occasional home run.

Clears out significant cap space which you can use to either takes a shot at a quality starter in FA, or pick up a vet starter via trade from a team that needs cap relief.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Trade
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Biggs had a very strange take on Robinson this morning, saying that he hasn't made a memorable play since the first week of the season. I'm not sure what he's watching, but Robinson is one of those players who sort of jumps off the screen when you look at the Bears defense. His athleticism and effort are very noticeable, and he makes a big play at least once per game.

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Hussra wrote:
A 4th round pic is like a flyer handed to you outside the club, "Here, you throw this worthless item in the trash for me please"

you have some really strange takes on draft picks.

This is a player that is not in the future plans so it is a no brainer to get something for him. The only criticism can be that they should have traded him in the offseason where they possibly could have got a better pick.

But a 4th round pick is not worthless at all. Every year there are really good players taken in the 4th round.


Hussra was upset because the Bears gave up a "valuable" 6th-round pick for N'Keal Hairy. Now he's perturbed because the Bears received only a "worthless" 4th-round pick in exchange for Quinn.

Hussra: You change your mind more frequently than a windsock changes direction. Who ya crappin'? :lol:

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RFDC wrote:
Hussra wrote:
A 4th round pic is like a flyer handed to you outside the club, "Here, you throw this worthless item in the trash for me please"

you have some really strange takes on draft picks.

This is a player that is not in the future plans so it is a no brainer to get something for him. The only criticism can be that they should have traded him in the offseason where they possibly could have got a better pick.

But a 4th round pick is not worthless at all. Every year there are really good players taken in the 4th round.


Hussra was upset because the Bears gave up a "valuable" 6th-round pick for N'Keal Hairy. Now he's perturbed because the Bears received only a "worthless" 4th-round pick in exchange for Quinn.

Hussra: You change your mind more frequently than a windsock changes direction. Who ya crappin'? :lol:


:lol: exactly.

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1 reception in 7 games...not worth a bag of balls let alone an 8th round pick.

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1 reception in 7 games...not worth a bag of balls let alone an 8th round pick.

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Monday was his first game of the season you goof. :lol:

I love your acumen, man, but the issue isn't whether or not Hairy is good--it's your "malleable" position on the value of a 4th-round pick vs. a 6th-round pick. :wink:

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Exactly. Availability. He played 12 games and had 12 receptions his last season in New England, so I guess he's at least hitting his average.


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:lol: OK.

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Biggs had a very strange take on Robinson this morning, saying that he hasn't made a memorable play since the first week of the season. I'm not sure what he's watching, but Robinson is one of those players who sort of jumps off the screen when you look at the Bears defense. His athleticism and effort are very noticeable, and he makes a big play at least once per game.


I agree with Biggs, I haven't seem him since the first game. He's a 5th rounder so I'm not expecting much. The pass rush has been bad and having Robert Quinn on a sabbatical year hasn't helped. That said I am impressed with what the Alan Williams/Eberflus defense has accomplished despite having no dline. Once they get a prime time rusher or two I think this could be a top 5 defense.


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There's 704 individual starters in the NFL. How can a 4th rounder be worthless?

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Biggs had a very strange take on Robinson this morning, saying that he hasn't made a memorable play since the first week of the season. I'm not sure what he's watching, but Robinson is one of those players who sort of jumps off the screen when you look at the Bears defense. His athleticism and effort are very noticeable, and he makes a big play at least once per game.


I heard that as well and thought it was strange. Looking at his raw stats line isn't all that impressive and he hasn't recorded a sack since game 1. There is some Mandela Effect thing going on because I could have sworn he's had more sacks and fumble recoveries. Anyway, to me, he's been showing every week in limited snaps.

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There's 704 individual starters in the NFL. How can a 4th rounder be worthless?



It's not completely worthless, but considering you get a 3rd rounder for trading an assistant coach, you should get at least a 3rd rd pick for a player who has played 70 percent of defensive snaps for a top 15 defense in the league--especially if you're picking up the player's salary for the year.


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You can find good talent all over in the NFL draft. This is mostly because there's a lower barrier to entry to being a good football player - your genes don't matter as much as they do in basketball, for example.

Here are 4th round picks:

Cousins
Prescott
Eddie Jackson
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Jared Allen
Asante Samuel

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BMarsh15 or 19 or whatever was drafted in 2006... 16 drafts * 32 4th round picks = 7 hits out of 512 picks


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I don't care of Roquan cries. Stay healthy and be better on the football field is all that matters. Terrell Owens cried. Dick Vermeil cried. I DGAF. It's a bit of an odd look for an NFL player I will definitely admit that. Laugh at him all you want, I suppose. To me, someone that shows his emotion like that in a public setting is way more comfortable in his own skin than MANY others.

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BMarsh15 or 19 or whatever was drafted in 2006... 16 drafts * 32 4th round picks = 7 hits out of 512 picks


:lol: those were just notable names - it's not an exhaustive list.

Here's a different way of making the same point:

Kamara - 3rd round
Chubb - 2nd round
Barkley - 1st round

Yet those three are interchangeable in terms of who you'd want, with maybe a slight edge to the third rounder. Brady was 6th round, Warner undrafted, etc., you've seen the names before.

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BMarsh15 or 19 or whatever was drafted in 2006... 16 drafts * 32 4th round picks = 7 hits out of 512 picks


:lol: those were just notable names - it's not an exhaustive list.

Here's a different way of making the same point:

Kamara - 3rd round
Chubb - 2nd round
Barkley - 1st round

Yet those three are interchangeable in terms of who you'd want, with maybe a slight edge to the third rounder. Brady was 6th round, Warner undrafted, etc., you've seen the names before.


This is the kind of basic study I'd want to do if I had time/if it was my job. It's sort of old but maybe still useful. You can find the author's criteria here: https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/2 ... t-by-round

He's trying to determine the average success rate per each position per each round. Success is determined by if the pick ended up being a starter for more than half his career. There is no distinction made between starters and superstars. That's his criteria, not mine.

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The numbers show us the following outline for finding consistent starters:

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)

2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)

3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)

4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)

5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)

6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)

7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)

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