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Chicago's 29 points were the most allowed by Dallas' defense -- a top-six unit -- this season. The Bears had four different players rush for at least 30 yards, and the offense scored on four of its six trips inside the red zone, which had been a weakness all season.


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And these weren't garbage time stats either.

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The offense is being driven 100% by players Poles inherited

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Imagine if instead of trying to undermine Justin Fields this offseason, Poles attempted to surround him with some more actual talent?


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You're leaning into the bit too hard.

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Pettis and St. Brown are open a lot. I believe

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Pettis and St. Brown are open a lot. I believe


Both failed to make big catches yesterday. Again not 100% their fault(and the ball to St. Brown was underthrown), but true #1 WR's make those catches. They are what they are #5 WR's, fringe roster players on any other team.


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Getsy is giving Fields some huge windows to complete passes, which is impressive.

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And these weren't garbage time stats either.


Not garbage time per se, but the Bears were getting destroyed early, so the Cowboys played it soft for a while.

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Pettis and St. Brown are open a lot. I believe


Both failed to make big catches yesterday. Again not 100% their fault(and the ball to St. Brown was underthrown), but true #1 WR's make those catches. They are what they are #5 WR's, fringe roster players on any other team.


Pettis had 3 steps on the defender. If Fields puts it out in front of him, it's a touchdown or a big play. Fields threw it behind him and the defender broke it up. You could argue an elite receiver would have broke back on the ball and got a pass interference call.

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veganfan21 wrote:
And these weren't garbage time stats either.


Not garbage time per se, but the Bears were getting destroyed early, so the Cowboys played it soft for a while.


Evidence? They were still sacking fields and rushing the passer. Seems the opposite of soft.

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Nas wrote:
Pettis and St. Brown are open a lot. I believe


Both failed to make big catches yesterday. Again not 100% their fault(and the ball to St. Brown was underthrown), but true #1 WR's make those catches. They are what they are #5 WR's, fringe roster players on any other team.

So how many number 1 receivers should the Bears have then ?

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Nas wrote:
Pettis and St. Brown are open a lot. I believe


Both failed to make big catches yesterday. Again not 100% their fault(and the ball to St. Brown was underthrown), but true #1 WR's make those catches. They are what they are #5 WR's, fringe roster players on any other team.

So how many number 1 receivers should the Bears have then ?


I'd settle for a true #2 at this point.


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veganfan21 wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
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And these weren't garbage time stats either.


Not garbage time per se, but the Bears were getting destroyed early, so the Cowboys played it soft for a while.


Evidence? They were still sacking fields and rushing the passer. Seems the opposite of soft.

I think that whenever opposing defensive coordinators wake up (and I don’t know why haven’t already) and realize that when they go up 10 -14-17 points on the Bears , the Bears are going to run the ball and not pass it to try and get back in the game and prepare accordingly for that .

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badrogue17 wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
And these weren't garbage time stats either.


Not garbage time per se, but the Bears were getting destroyed early, so the Cowboys played it soft for a while.


Evidence? They were still sacking fields and rushing the passer. Seems the opposite of soft.

I think that whenever opposing defensive coordinators wake up (and I don’t know why haven’t already) and realize that when they go up 10 -14-17 points on the Bears , the Bears are going to run the ball and not pass it to try and get back in the game and prepare accordingly for that .


This has only happened 3 times. Yesterday was the only game this season the Bears didn't lead in.

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badrogue17 wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
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And these weren't garbage time stats either.


Not garbage time per se, but the Bears were getting destroyed early, so the Cowboys played it soft for a while.


Evidence? They were still sacking fields and rushing the passer. Seems the opposite of soft.

I think that whenever opposing defensive coordinators wake up (and I don’t know why haven’t already) and realize that when they go up 10 -14-17 points on the Bears , the Bears are going to run the ball and not pass it to try and get back in the game and prepare accordingly for that .


I don't understand your post. The Bears did get back in the game? They pulled to within 3 or 4 or whatever it was until Montgomery fumbled and gave the game away.

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They never really were in the game. The defense forced one three and out (outside of the interception) they had no intention on making any stops in the 2nd half.


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Nas wrote:
Pettis and St. Brown are open a lot. I believe


neither can be trusted to ever go and get the ball. They have to be wide open for it to be a catch.

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Nas wrote:
Pettis and St. Brown are open a lot. I believe


neither can be trusted to ever go and get the ball. They have to be wide open for it to be a catch.


St. Brown may be able to. This shouldn't be an excuse for Fields' accuracy issues.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Pettis and St. Brown are open a lot. I believe


Both failed to make big catches yesterday. Again not 100% their fault(and the ball to St. Brown was underthrown), but true #1 WR's make those catches. They are what they are #5 WR's, fringe roster players on any other team.


Pettis had 3 steps on the defender. If Fields puts it out in front of him, it's a touchdown or a big play. Fields threw it behind him and the defender broke it up. You could argue an elite receiver would have broke back on the ball and got a pass interference call.


Not one of those deep balls would have been a remarkable catch, if made. We are overestimating that only a #1 would make it. Those are made by average WR across the league.

Pettis is a #6 who has to earn his daily bread on special teams for almost any team in the league. Brown is a #5. Who knows what the heck Velus Jones is?

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Nas wrote:
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Pettis and St. Brown are open a lot. I believe


neither can be trusted to ever go and get the ball. They have to be wide open for it to be a catch.


St. Brown may be able to. This shouldn't be an excuse for Fields' accuracy issues.


He put the Jones one on his hands.

These guys are professionals as well. Every ball shouldn't have to be perfect. They were good enough.

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They never really were in the game. The defense forced one three and out (outside of the interception) they had no intention on making any stops in the 2nd half.


They had the ball down 5 (fing 2 point conversions!) at the beginning of the 3rd.

I agree they weren't going to stop Dallas. They were keeping up.

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good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Pettis and St. Brown are open a lot. I believe


Both failed to make big catches yesterday. Again not 100% their fault(and the ball to St. Brown was underthrown), but true #1 WR's make those catches. They are what they are #5 WR's, fringe roster players on any other team.


Pettis had 3 steps on the defender. If Fields puts it out in front of him, it's a touchdown or a big play. Fields threw it behind him and the defender broke it up. You could argue an elite receiver would have broke back on the ball and got a pass interference call.


Not one of those deep balls would have been a remarkable catch, if made. We are overestimating that only a #1 would make it. Those are made by average WR across the league.

Pettis is a #6 who has to earn his daily bread on special teams for almost any team in the league. Brown is a #5. Who knows what the heck Velus Jones is?


Receivers shouldn't be required to make Mooney like catches when they are wide open. You consider those guys to be 5th and 6th receivers. That's fine. If these 5th and 6th receivers can frequently beat defenders, I don't think it's too much to ask a "franchise" quarterback to occasionally be accurate.

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Nas wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Pettis and St. Brown are open a lot. I believe


Both failed to make big catches yesterday. Again not 100% their fault(and the ball to St. Brown was underthrown), but true #1 WR's make those catches. They are what they are #5 WR's, fringe roster players on any other team.


Pettis had 3 steps on the defender. If Fields puts it out in front of him, it's a touchdown or a big play. Fields threw it behind him and the defender broke it up. You could argue an elite receiver would have broke back on the ball and got a pass interference call.


Not one of those deep balls would have been a remarkable catch, if made. We are overestimating that only a #1 would make it. Those are made by average WR across the league.

Pettis is a #6 who has to earn his daily bread on special teams for almost any team in the league. Brown is a #5. Who knows what the heck Velus Jones is?


Receivers shouldn't be required to make Mooney like catches when they are wide open. You consider those guys to be 5th and 6th receivers. That's fine. If these 5th and 6th receivers can frequently beat defenders, I don't think it's too much to ask a "franchise" quarterback to occasionally be accurate.


look at the two posts above by Bob. Your recollection of the throws is off

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look at the two posts above by Bob. Your recollection of the throws is off



How does the late and short throw to a wide open Pettis help you? Fields created another defender by throwing it to the sidelines. It was a shit throw.

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Jones alligator armed it.

Neither were perfect throws. We see week in and week out NFL QBs making those same throws and WRs making those catches. Where they occur on the field is not really relevant, though missing a TD clearly is a much bigger issue. The fact is the both throws were good enough to catch, and both resulted incomplete passes.

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Nas wrote:
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look at the two posts above by Bob. Your recollection of the throws is off



How does the late and short throw to a wide open Pettis help you? Fields created another defender by throwing it to the sidelines. It was a shit throw.


huh? If he throws it to Pettis when he's open it's only a 10 yard gain, the goal is a touchdown(especially with time expiring) Pettis needs to run directly for the endzone, I have no idea why he slows down and peeks inside.


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Bad WRs doom even the best QBs. Look at Rodgers - the Pack are second overall in dropped passes. This doesn't absolve Fields, just saying.

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look at the two posts above by Bob. Your recollection of the throws is off



How does the late and short throw to a wide open Pettis help you? Fields created another defender by throwing it to the sidelines. It was a shit throw.


huh? If he throws it to Pettis when he's open it's only a 10 yard gain, the goal is a touchdown(especially with time expiring) Pettis needs to run directly for the endzone, I have no idea why he slows down and peeks inside.


How was Pettis supposed to catch that pass? The defender not only knocked it away he was in a better position to catch it. It was a shit throw. Pettis did NOTHING wrong.

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