So what was his conclusion? Is he good on the contested balls and the percentage went down because of imprecisely thrown deep passes?

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Here is a good video of Claypool winning a contested battle against Bears all pro cornerback Kindle Vildoor

C'mon, Bob. Jim Abbot wouldn't have much trouble making a catch against Vildor.

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He played on the outside with a quarterback who couldn't throw the ball 30 yards. It was more quarterback error than anything else. This season, he played on the inside, but most of his catches came on the outside.

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He's great with contested balls. He's top 10 since he's been in the NFL.

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Bears overpaid as his production early in career was due to being fourth option...and although he has the body type, he is NOT consistent at going and getting it.

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I still think they should have traded for Cooper which would have only have cost a 5th rounder and he has proven he has plenty still left in the tank.

well, we know they didn't overpay in that the Packers offered its second and Florio speculates the Pats were in on him until the end as well. They paid market rate. His second year production was nearly identical except for TD. I think he was drafted into an incredibly crowded WR group in Pittsburgh and distinguished himself enough to get 100 targets from year 1.

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Claypool is also a threat to throw the ball. His touchdown pass last week would probably be in the top 5 of accurate passes for a Bears quarterback.

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I like everything about this trade.

Except the fact that the team that had him traded a healthy 24-year-old WR.

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That's simple to me: they have Dionate Johnson, young WR1

They have rookie George Pickens, potential WR1

They have other receivers. They were rich at WR - they could afford to lose Claypool to fill other gaps.

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Thanks. I feel better.

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Getting a little irritated with the focus on his stats. WR stats are mostly irrelevant when QBs aren't factored in. Happens all the time. Moss was off the charts in Minnesota. Sucked in Oakland. Off the charts again in NE. Why? Not too hard to figure out.

Why did Kupp become an all world WR starting last year? Hmmm...

Why did Larry Fitzgerald languish in Arizona despite all world talent? What happened when Kurt Warner arrived? What happened when he left? Hmm...

Why did Demaryius Thomas blow up circa 2012-2016? Why did he not really do anything before and after? Hmm...

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Larry Fitzgerald made 7 Pro Bowls after Kurt Warner left.

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Probably with Carson Palmer. That you only singled out Fitzgerald proves the point.

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They have done it before and the receivers are still good after pittsburgh

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It proves that I looked up 1 guy and that you were wrong about him.

Was Claypool being thrown to by different QBs than Johnson and Pickens?

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I was not - it means I missed palmer. It's not some genius insight to suggest good QBs are a positive factor for WR stats. Do you deny that? Having sucky QBs was the story of Allen Robinsons career in Jacksonville and Chicago. Feel free to "verify" the stats on Moss and Kupp as well.

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Nobody ever accused you of genius insight. you were wrong. Just admit it.

Also, A-Rob made a Pro Bowl in Jax and had some pretty good stats here until his last season. I’m not going to argue that having a good QB doesn’t improve a WRs stats. Of course it does. But a good WR will show up despite his QB and will also make him look better.

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If you agree then why are you bitching? Perhaps you're trying to find things to take your mind off the shit team in GB with dim prospects for both today and tomorrow.

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So you can’t admit you were wrong. Figures. Why would I expect more?

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Wrong about what? The more you look at Fitzgerald the more the point is proven true.

Around 54 percent of Fitzgerald career TDs were thrown by either Palmer or Warner. Look it up. Palmer or Warner happened to be Arizona's best QBs during Fitzgerald's tenure. He would have had even better numbers had their QB situation been better. He says so himself:https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/cardinals/2020/01/15/larry-fitzgeralds-nfl-career-has-been-even-greater-than-you-think/4477222002/

I don't have a problem admitting when I'm wrong. I think you know that from different back and forth stuff over the years. I missed palmer when describing Fitzgerald in my original post. But it still proves the point which you agree with anyway.

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Look, the disagreement was with regard to your statement on LF. It was wrong plain and simple. You don’t need to break it down further. Of course a good QB improves the stats of the WR.

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Fitzgerald languished in Arizona?Wasn't he all-pro every year he was there?

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So if I am summarizing this correctly it is ok that Claypool had average to below average results the last 2 years because a HOF QB was on his last leg and that Mitch and Pickett are considered terrible but he is going to transform into a #1 because of Fields??

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Yeah you're summarizing it correctly that that's what Packers fans think Bears fans are saying

Fields is still developing.. and Claypool is at least as good as Mooney which makes him better than everyone else on the roster aside from Mooney pretty much instantly. So basically, two #2 type receivers who have the potential to develop further.


Fields also has to develop as well tho


In a way, having a few good/competent receivers who aren’t elite can be as good or better than having one elite receiver and a bunch of throw aways. I think Claypool and Mooney are at least good/competent which means we have 2 of those guys now as opposed to just the 1.

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Maybe this has been covered but are we expecting to see him at least on a limited basis this week? I can't imagine he can devour the entire playbook in less than a week. Maybe see him for 25-30 snaps?

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Cooper Kupp didn't exactly come out of nowhere last year, he was catching 90+ balls a year with Goff.

They’ve also found success with a run heavy offense, and I don’t want them to dramatically change that to force the ball to the new guy.

Let things develop organically between Fields & Claypool even if the stats don’t look all that impressive.

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