Looks like they already have. Lot kids born out of wedlock.

It's bad for business!

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Are you blaming gays and lesbians for the 60 year decline in marriages and the uptick in divorce?

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I'm not a real big Matt Walsh fan, but this definitely was an interesting conversation.

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I think the purpose of this exercise was to share a clip from Rogan that MANY of us agree with him on. JORR took the opposite position to fuel the debate.

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It seemed to have all or most of the main issues, almost like it was a fictionalized discussion made for educational purposes. Matt Walsh usually has a rapid-fire delivery when he's on someone's show, but he struggled to respond to Rogan (which is odd, because Rogan didn't say anything necessarily new or unexpected, though he was really clear).

Walsh is an easy target, but his arguments about marriage and children are similar to those who criticize how we have become more consumers than anything else.

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Could it be that more and more atheists are deciding marriage is for the birds? Your lifestyle choice is leading to declining birth rates.

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are you comparing evangelical marriage to sexually enslaving women?

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I don't really have a position. And I'm not particularly a fan of either guy. Though I do find Walsh's deadpan act amusing.

And I do understand Walsh's point. You can keep shrugging off traditions and changing standards. But it is going to change society.

I get that people don't want to judge. I'm a live and let live guy myself. But morals and laws are all about judgment.

And I certainly don't think marriage is just a financial arrangement. If that's the case, the gays could form an LLC.

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No doubt.

Do you think that's a good thing? Should it be encouraged? Rewarded?

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brass tax.. america needs more soldiers. the planet needs less people. solution? breed and enlist as many americans as possible to reduce the populations of other countries.

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How do you feel about sex outside of marriage? Infidelity? Divorce? The list goes on. Standards and attitudes change. Somehow we carry on. I guess same sex marriage is a bridge too far though.

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I think there's an entire popular political/social agenda that undermines families.

I'm fine with it if that's what people want. It doesn't affect me too much. Especially at this stage of my life.

But I think it deserves more thought and examination than it's been given.

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as far as modern marriage, total fucking joke. unless 'to death do us part' means i get to beat the living shit out of you if divorce happens

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I don't think those are particularly societal goods. Do you?

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degradation of families is a root problem the past 50 years or whatever. staying in a broken marriage also ruins everything. the solution has nothing to do with marriage and a lot more to do with economic flexibility. most people are fucking poor no matter how nice their iphone or 600 sq ft apartment is, or if theyre single or married.

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Here is what has been, and will continue to lead to declining birth rates:

1. Urbanization - if you don’t have land, a farm, manual work to do, you need less free child labor in the form of kids.

2. Dual Income Families - if mom and dad both work, it is much more logistically difficult and expensive to have more kids.

3. Access to reliable birth control - as fun as it is, the pull out method just is not effective.

These are the three biggest things that have been, and will continue to impact declining birth rates. All three of those things have the common denominator of a population striving to increase its standard of living. So we can rapidly increase the birth rate if we just find lots of people who want to be really really poor and stay that way.

No one loves traditions more than me. Just ask my kids. A tradition that would exclude consenting adults, because of who they love, should be broken. God or America didn't say that marriage was solely for heterosexual couples who wanted to procreate.

Walsh appeared to be waffling. While he believed, ideally, anyone who got married should strongly consider having kids or adopting, he somewhat acknowledged that marriage would be fine if they chose not to.

For centuries, homosexuality was considered normal. Once the church learned the science of the spread of MANY diseases, they came out strongly against it. You see depictions of homosexuality in centuries old art all over the world.

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I don't disagree

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“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
“I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy”- JD Vance

Whatever the cause, it's a problem. I believe the U.S. is below replacement level.

Tommy touched on some of what you mention above. Are human beings just consumer units? Do families matter at all?

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I have two children, that is fewer that the 2.1 statistical children I need to maintain the population. I don’t see why my family is less valid or matters less than a family with 2.2 children.

Yeah, he kind of was. Like W_Z said earlier, he didn't get into his religious faith that clearly drives his beliefs on the subject. Maybe he didn't want to get into that with Rogan. But I haven't listened to the entire podcast.

If you're familiar with Walsh, it was an atypical performance. He is usually full of conviction and ready with an answer/rebuttal.

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No one said it did.

Plus, it would be pretty hard for you to create .2 of a child. We have Seacrest to pick up the slack.

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welcome to the libertarian party. we love reality.

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There's always been balance. You didn't have 2 kids, but I covered you. The same has always been true until recently. Now, younger folks are choosing to have one child or zero. That trend and the infertility of American whites is leading to a decline in birth rates. I'm not sure that's a bad thing.

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its bad in the sense that nothing matters. having kids gives people a lot of purpose in life. i give zero fucks if humanity continues on, but teens who steal cars and fly down residential neighborhoods do so because nothing fucking matters to them. and they might hit me, so the more people who have kids the better for me.

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This is a great example of something that has occurred, the consequences of which haven't really been thought about a whole lot. I'm sure academics study it, but I'm talking about the average person.

It's really only existed for about 50 years. And untethering sex from procreation is a monumental change. It's as world changing as the Gutenberg press or the microchip. Maybe more.

But I don't think people see it that way. They just like the positives without considering possible negatives. I'd say the same thing about social media.

Now I'm starting to sound like the Unabomber.

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I am above such concerns. I simply do not care.

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Your position would be less annoying if you were actually an ultra pious Catholic dude. Instead you’re this ultra pious Catholic dude who is also an atheist.

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I'm an atheist who over the past few years has come to see that Christian values form the basis of our free society and that there is no way for you to live the way you want to live without those values as a foundation. I'm somewhat embarrassed that I didn't realize that sooner.

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