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Nas

Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:46 am

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good dolphin wrote:

Nas wrote:

RFDC wrote:

Good grief, 11 years no trade clause for Turner to the Phillies :shock:

Where contracts are headed, that $300M doesn't seem awful. It's probably backloaded.

there is an interesting sub category developing of short years but very high per year.

That is actually favorable to both owners and players.

Yep! If you are a betting man, I would play in that arena. It worked out well for Bauer.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:16 am

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good dolphin wrote:

66 more wins to 300 for Verlander

Think he has 4 years and 16 plus wins per year in him ? I dont .

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:42 am

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badrogue17 wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

66 more wins to 300 for Verlander

Think he has 4 years and 16 plus wins per year in him ? I dont .

He gets so many decisions and will only play for top level teams. I also think he is one of those guys who has an appreciation for the game so if he gets close, he will stick around. I'd say he gets at least 30 more in his two year deal with the Mets.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:48 am

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good dolphin wrote:

badrogue17 wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

66 more wins to 300 for Verlander

Think he has 4 years and 16 plus wins per year in him ? I dont .

Who will he pay to allow him to get the other 36? I think it would be cool, but I'll be shocked if he pulls it off.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:56 am

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Nas wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

badrogue17 wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

66 more wins to 300 for Verlander

Think he has 4 years and 16 plus wins per year in him ? I dont .

Who will he pay to allow him to get the other 36? I think it would be cool, but I'll be shocked if he pulls it off.

Are we talking about the reigning Cy Young?

If he is terrible, the Sox would try to sign him on the cheap in two years.

and I goofed on the math, he needs 56.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:02 pm

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

Jaw Breaker wrote:

Why did the Angels trade for Urshela? Is Rendon still hurt? Another disastrous contract.

That one puzzled me as well. Could be that Rendon has to move to 2B in the long run if he is having trouble throwing.

Then again trying to make sense of anything the Angels do besides wasting the career of superstars is always a challenge.

Its a great move if they address short. He'll get plenty of AB's playing 1st, 3rd, and probably some 2nd. If he's their answer at short its not what I was hoping for. I like the moves so far.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 3:50 pm

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 3:56 pm

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Josh Bell to Guardians 2 yrs 33 million

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 3:58 pm

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RFDC wrote:

Josh Bell to Guardians 2 yrs 33 million

Damn, are they going to trade Naylor? I'd love the Cubs to make a run at him.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:14 pm

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Caller Bob wrote:

RFDC wrote:

Josh Bell to Guardians 2 yrs 33 million

Damn, are they going to trade Naylor? I'd love the Cubs to make a run at him.

I doubt it. He will get time in OF and DH and 1B.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:43 pm

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Josh Bell is not that good.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:03 pm

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RFDC wrote:

Caller Bob wrote:

RFDC wrote:

Josh Bell to Guardians 2 yrs 33 million

Damn, are they going to trade Naylor? I'd love the Cubs to make a run at him.

I doubt it. He will get time in OF and DH and 1B.

They also need to be able to PH for Straw late in games they are losing, so whoever sits that day will draw that duty.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:05 pm

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:06 pm

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Or not

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:18 pm

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Bellinger to Cubs. Speigs loves it.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 6:33 pm

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17 million for batting 210. This is the greatest country in the world

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:12 pm

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Bellinger to Cubs. Speigs loves it.

Not sure why.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:19 pm

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pittmike wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Bellinger to Cubs. Speigs loves it.

Not sure why.

Low risk prove it deal primarily

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vitoscotti

Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:34 pm

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Only the Cubs would cut a guy Heyward 211 .280 .326. 606 66 in '21 & '22 then replace him with a guy Bellinger who was 193 256 355 .611 64. in 21 & '22. Now paying them both 40 million in '23.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:53 pm

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vitoscotti wrote:

Only the Cubs would cut a guy Heyward 211 .280 .326. 606 66 in '21 & '22 then replace him with a guy Bellinger who was 193 256 355 .611 64. in 21 & '22. Now paying them both 40 million in '23.

One of these guys is not like the other. Former MVP, CF/1B gold glove, under 30 on a 1yr prove it deal.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:09 pm

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Juiced wrote:

vitoscotti wrote:

Only the Cubs would cut a guy Heyward 211 .280 .326. 606 66 in '21 & '22 then replace him with a guy Bellinger who was 193 256 355 .611 64. in 21 & '22. Now paying them both 40 million in '23.

One of these guys is not like the other. Former MVP, CF/1B gold glove, under 30 on a 1yr prove it deal.

It's still $40M for the same bat. With ZERO upside for the Cubs if he stops sucking. The deal should have included a team option.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:16 pm

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Actually they can slap a QO on him if he magically doesn't suck

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vitoscotti

Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:16 pm

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Bellinger's ops+ '21 & "22 (819 ab) is down 54% from his first 4 years.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:20 pm

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312player wrote:

Verlander and Sherzer are proven horses, still kicking ass at late 30s.. extremely rare, Very doubtful ohtani can replicate that.

So rare that it hasnt been done since who? Clemens, Pettitte, and Kevin Brown

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:22 pm

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Caller Bob wrote:

Actually they can slap a QO on him if he magically doesn't suck

So $17M for future draft compensation?

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:42 pm

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Well, the Sox didn't luck out in the draft lottery, but the damn Twins....

projected #13, get #5

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Hawg Ass

Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:41 am

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Judge to the Yankees 9 for 360

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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:03 am

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pittmike wrote:

Josh Bell is not that good.

and he is horrible on defense, which was a major part of cleveland's winning formula

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:05 am

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vitoscotti wrote:

Theo and his progeny being given an open checkbook has always been their downfall.

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Post subject: Re: MLB hot stove

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:08 am

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Hawg Ass wrote:

Judge to the Yankees 9 for 360

Hal Steinbrenner panicked worrying about the fans. Max Kellerman correctly called what they've done in the last year a "stupid tax". Can't say that I disagree.

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