Top 2 in MVP voting over the past 2 seasons were Centers.

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We've had this convo before - centers are irrelevant because the position arguably isn't taught anymore. Maybe that's a good evolution or maybe it's because guys grow up trying to shoot logo threes and cross people over instead of learning how to play with their back to the basket. That's also maybe residual fallout from the Jordan era - be like Mike instead of be like Wilt, even if you're 6'11 like Durant. If Durant was born in 1968 instead of 1988 he'd likely have shot 100 threes over the course of a 14 year career. Now he shoots that after 10 games.

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that center for Illinois, Kofi Cockburn, he has or had a classic big man back-to-the-basket post game. Dominant at the college level, didn't even get drafted.

in spite of JORR telling us he would be a first rounder lol

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I just don't see it that way. Jordan was obviously a great player. I have no problem with anyone making the argument that he was the greatest. My issue is with the idea that it's insane to argue that he isn't the best ever or even not in the top three or four. There are legitimate arguments there. Saying Jordan is the greatest ever is closer to saying Mike Bossy is the greatest ever. Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't. But the idea that anyone arguing otherwise is crazy doesn't fly with me.

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I think that had more to do with his inability to play defense than it did his inability to play offense in the NBA actually.

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I don't follow the current NBA enough so I didn't realize a dominant 7 footer was considered almost useless.

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Kofi waited too long to come out. He should have entered the draft in 1998 instead of 2022.

Yeah we are on complete different pages. I dont see how there are legit arguments for Jordan not being in the top 3 of all time. I can see legit arguments for not the GOAT even tho I disagree.

But personally I think you are bat shit crazy in this viewpoint. But I guess that is what this site is for.

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that makes sense. a 7 footer who's suss on D gotta have Dirk or KD's outside shooting ability if they wanna play in the NBA today.

I don't think rules were really changed. I don't think basketball was ever intended to be as physical as it was with the Pistons. I think it's more of a question why that style was ever allowed to be viable. In every time period either before the late 80s or after the early 90s that team would be the worst team in the league because their starting lineup would foul out or get kicked out in every game. Obviously, they would adjust to the game just like the few holdovers from there like Rodman did.

I mean, here is 26 minutes of Isaiah Thomas fighting people on the court. It's not all his fault but it's also just how the league was and it probably shouldn't have been. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u3Xr-sVR5Y

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Kofi was never dominant

Thanks for posting this, that was something else about Isiah's interview that was a crock of shit. He said he was not the guy hitting or being physical, that was all guys like Laimbeer and Salley. He is so full of shit. He was right in the middle of it all.

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Not really. Kofi struggled against similarly sized players but given his strength there weren't many of them he had to contend with. That wasn't true in the NBA. He was really all that skilled but he just bullied people who he was bigger and/or taller than.

A better example is Zach Edey, who if he was in the 90s would be the #1 pick in the draft next year and now he is highly unlikely to ever get into the first round unless the rumors are true that he is actually a 35%+ 3 point shooter in practice.

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Why do you think Jordan is obviously better than Wilt, Kareem, or Magic?

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couldn't find it right off on youtube, but there's a clip in Laimbeer's "highlights" where during a stoppage of play he whispers into Zeke's ear and sorta gestures toward Bird and Isiah nods in agreement. When play resumes Isiah sets up Bird for Laimbeer to clothesline Larry Legend.

This is an unintentionally hilarious sentence.

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He was pretty dominant. If it were 1990 the idea of Frank Kaminsky and Meyers Leonard being in the league and not Kofi would be absurd.

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I don't know what Naismith intended. I do know how the game was played.

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Not bothering to watch an Isiah Thompson interview. It's pretty easy to tell when he lies.....His lips move.

Followed by his bullshit smile.

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The point is the rules didn't change. The way physical play was called went back to a more sane level that tracks with how basketball was played before and after.

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The way the NBA plays D these days sucks with all of the switching that they do. Makes it tough for guys like Kofi to make it playing that way.

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Do you really think he is a 35% shooter in practice? If he is why isnt Painter utilizing that? That could be a game changer against some matchups.

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Just wondering if some team with the right personnel decided to say you know what, screw it. We're going retro on these logo shooting bitches. We're gonna shoot 7 threes a game, funnel the ball inside to our above average low post threats for easy buckets, complement that with a slashing SF like DeRozan who'll score mid range twos, and then play really strong defense against all those thin ass logo shooting bitches. Wondering if that team might find success instead of just trying to fit in with the rest of the logo shooting league.

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So what? Jordan didn't have a dipsy-doo, now did he?

For a big guy he is an amazing free throw shooter.

He would have to hit for about 40% from 3 in games to match his current production. So, they just don't put it as part of the game plan. They've actually added in a pretty effective pick and roll game for him instead.

To even play in the NBA though, he'll have to get better at defending the perimeter, which he has already improved a lot from last year, and he'll have to show he can hit it from 3. That's probably the only chance he comes back next year.

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that and a sweet NIL deal

If he is smart he comes back next year. He has to get way better on D in the perimeter to play in the NBA, even if he can shoot 3s. He has a better shot at a career in the NBA than Kofi did.

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