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Why are you linking a study from May 2021 as though it was evidence for a decision made in August 2020?

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Molly & Haugh agree this is great news almost to the point of disbelief.

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There was a study done that non vaccinated athletes who had COVID did not get myocarditis.


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You're not being fair, as his response to COVID in the Summer of 2020 was the same as yours at the time, you basically wanted the world to shut back down then, if I recall.
You have a terrible memory. I wanted everything opened back up by May 2020. The football season being referred to started in August/September 2020.

Though, his rationale was valid. There was a spike in myocarditis among college athletes in 2020 presumably because of COVID and an IU player was hospitalized for it.

His problem was that he called up the Pac 12 and said "If we move it to spring to learn more will you?" and they said they would and then they did it thinking the other three conferences would follow them. They didn't and he had to walk it back and play a shortened season.


Now that's funny! (not the kid in the hospital) but one kid hospitalized back then and you all wanted to blame COVID, but now you have young athletes dropping like files and you fight tooth and nail anyone trying to blame the vaccine :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It was a study done among athletes that found a spike in myocarditis. I was simply pointing out that a current Big Ten football player being hospitalized increased the urgency to learn more.

As part of my "COVID is over" policy I'm not going to go any further on your other parts of it and I'll stick to the poor performance in dealing with the postponement of the Big Ten season without getting the other 3 major conferences on board.


Yet one hospitalization or 1 death now and we are "overreacting" if we even suggest it could be due to the vaccine.

You know, after WW2 we had the Nuremberg Trials to deal with the Nazis, and today after COVID, the offenders are offered jobs as Team President over billion dollar companies.


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You're not being fair, as his response to COVID in the Summer of 2020 was the same as yours at the time, you basically wanted the world to shut back down then, if I recall.
You have a terrible memory. I wanted everything opened back up by May 2020. The football season being referred to started in August/September 2020.

Though, his rationale was valid. There was a spike in myocarditis among college athletes in 2020 presumably because of COVID and an IU player was hospitalized for it.

His problem was that he called up the Pac 12 and said "If we move it to spring to learn more will you?" and they said they would and then they did it thinking the other three conferences would follow them. They didn't and he had to walk it back and play a shortened season.


Now that's funny! (not the kid in the hospital) but one kid hospitalized back then and you all wanted to blame COVID, but now you have young athletes dropping like files and you fight tooth and nail anyone trying to blame the vaccine :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It was a study done among athletes that found a spike in myocarditis. I was simply pointing out that a current Big Ten football player being hospitalized increased the urgency to learn more.

As part of my "COVID is over" policy I'm not going to go any further on your other parts of it and I'll stick to the poor performance in dealing with the postponement of the Big Ten season without getting the other 3 major conferences on board.


Yet one hospitalization or 1 death now and we are "overreacting" if we even suggest it could be due to the vaccine.

You know, after WW2 we had the Nuremberg Trials to deal with the Nazis, and today after COVID, the offenders are offered jobs as Team President over billion dollar companies.

Ever heard of Wernher Von Braun? I don't know if he could build a stadium but he sure could build rockets.


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There was a study done that non vaccinated athletes who had COVID did not get myocarditis.

The Big 10 made their decision based off a German study of people hospitalized with COVID of all ages and then applied those findings to healthy young athletes.

Then they started anecdote hunting to support their decision.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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There was a study done that non vaccinated athletes who had COVID did not get myocarditis.

The Big 10 made their decision based off a German study of people hospitalized with COVID of all ages and then applied those findings to healthy young athletes.

Then they started anecdote hunting to support their decision.

Purdue Rick said the study I posted was flawed. His was fine. So shut up.


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Mully doesn’t understand why anybody thinks this is a bad move, once again highlighting a world class level of intellectual curiosity.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Why are you linking a study from May 2021 as though it was evidence for a decision made in August 2020?

It's because that is the data that was used to make the decision and they had immediate access to the real time results from the time period referenced. They didn't have to wait until it was published to the public after a peer review process to get the data. The general public did.

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Big Ten COVID-19 Cardiac Registry principal investigators were surveyed for aggregate observational data from March 1, 2020, through December 15, 2020, on athletes with COVID-19.

The data in August 2020 looked troubling and they planned to push the season to the spring where they would have more information because the full data set would be done.

Here is more information from August 2020.
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/maryland-terps/how-myocarditis-factored-big-ten-and-pac-12-postponement-fall-sports

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At least 15 Big Ten players developed myocarditis after contracting COVID-19, a high-ranking source in the conference told CBS Sports. Warren and Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby both privately expressed serious concern over the condition.

However, it was unclear whether the rare condition would play a major role in the decision until the Pac-12 and Big Ten reached an agreement. Ultimately, it did.

“Myocarditis is the ballgame right now,” the same source told CBS Sports. “Myocarditis is the major issue they're looking at…Between the Pac-12 and the Big Ten, that's what is really driving the push to push this off to spring."

While the Big Ten and Pac-12 were influenced by the data provided about the condition, other conferences have yet to respond. Bowlsby told the Associated Press on Sunday that there was “growing evidence” of concern for myocarditis within the Big 12 especially. Additionally, medical experts told West Virginia athletic director Shane Lyons that by moving the fall season the spring, it “will give us more time to be able to understand if the virus does necessarily impact the heart."

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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There was a study done that non vaccinated athletes who had COVID did not get myocarditis.

The Big 10 made their decision based off a German study of people hospitalized with COVID of all ages and then applied those findings to healthy young athletes.

Then they started anecdote hunting to support their decision.

This is 100% false. It was data from Big Ten athletes. They started collecting that data in March 2020. They had almost immediate access to it throughout.

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There was a study done that non vaccinated athletes who had COVID did not get myocarditis.

The Big 10 made their decision based off a German study of people hospitalized with COVID of all ages and then applied those findings to healthy young athletes.

Then they started anecdote hunting to support their decision.

This is 100% false. It was data from Big Ten athletes. They started collecting that data in March 2020. They had almost immediate access to it throughout.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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There was a study done that non vaccinated athletes who had COVID did not get myocarditis.

The Big 10 made their decision based off a German study of people hospitalized with COVID of all ages and then applied those findings to healthy young athletes.

Then they started anecdote hunting to support their decision.

This is 100% false. It was data from Big Ten athletes. They started collecting that data in March 2020. They had almost immediate access to it throughout.

:lol:

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At least 15 Big Ten players developed myocarditis after contracting COVID-19, a high-ranking source in the conference told CBS Sports. Warren and Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby both privately expressed serious concern over the condition.

Maybe those 15 Big Ten players just happened to be hospitalized in Germany at the time. :lol:

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Kevin Warren will make sure they successfully build a new stadium in Arlington Heights. Great...I really don't go to many games so that doesn't matter much to me.

We now know for a fact that Sweaty Teddy stuck his nose in football decisions. The result was zero championships and many years of shitty teams.

Here's how we can judge Kevin Warren:
1) Is the GM fully empowered with all football and coaching decisions free from interference?
2) If it's proven your GM sucks ass and does stupid shit is he fired promtly?
3) Ernie Accorsi is never hired again as a "consultant"

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Nardi wrote:
There was a study done that non vaccinated athletes who had COVID did not get myocarditis.

The Big 10 made their decision based off a German study of people hospitalized with COVID of all ages and then applied those findings to healthy young athletes.

Then they started anecdote hunting to support their decision.

This is 100% false. It was data from Big Ten athletes. They started collecting that data in March 2020. They had almost immediate access to it throughout.

:lol:

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At least 15 Big Ten players developed myocarditis after contracting COVID-19, a high-ranking source in the conference told CBS Sports. Warren and Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby both privately expressed serious concern over the condition.

Maybe those 15 Big Ten players just happened to be hospitalized in Germany at the time. :lol:

At LEAST 15. "don't have the exact number", said the anonymous high ranking official.


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Brick wrote:
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There was a study done that non vaccinated athletes who had COVID did not get myocarditis.

The Big 10 made their decision based off a German study of people hospitalized with COVID of all ages and then applied those findings to healthy young athletes.

Then they started anecdote hunting to support their decision.

This is 100% false. It was data from Big Ten athletes. They started collecting that data in March 2020. They had almost immediate access to it throughout.

:lol:

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At least 15 Big Ten players developed myocarditis after contracting COVID-19, a high-ranking source in the conference told CBS Sports. Warren and Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby both privately expressed serious concern over the condition.

Maybe those 15 Big Ten players just happened to be hospitalized in Germany at the time. :lol:

:lol: I’ve already acknowledged they went anecdote hunting.

They made a bad decision with zero/flawed data. I’m sure you remember, but this was widespread across industries at the time. You don’t have to retroactively support that decision.

The study you’re clinging to highlights they didn’t do cardiac imaging on all COVID positive big ten athletes until September 2020 when they’d already decided to resume the season.

You’re arguing that they used data collected March - December to make a decision in August when they hadn’t even consistently collected data until September.

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They made a bad decision with zero/flawed data. I’m sure you remember, but this was widespread across industries at the time. You don’t have to retroactively support that decision.
Of course in hindsight they shouldn't have cancelled the season because of the Myocarditis risk associated with COVID-19

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The study you’re clinging to highlights they didn’t do cardiac imaging on all COVID positive big ten athletes until September 2020 when they’d already decided to resume the season.
I never said the data was complete. The results throughout though show an increased incidence of myocarditis during that time period so I don't really know what your point is. They found that COVID-19 did increase the risk of Myocarditis in 2020 among athletes in that study you somehow reject because it took 6 months for it to be published for the public after a peer review process.

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You’re arguing that they used data collected March - December to make a decision in August when they hadn’t even consistently collected data until September.
Not at all. They had a good amount of data on Big Ten athletes at that time and made the decision to be cautious accordingly as they were worried a Big Ten player would die on the field. The issue was they didn't work with three other conferences who basically said "We are going to play" and they had to go back on it.

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Bear fans are so desperate for good news. Bottom line is if Poles is no better than average as a personnel guy the Bears will be mired in 4 to 5 more years of no success on the field. The early results on Poles personnel moves are not good.


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Bear fans are so desperate for good news. Bottom line is if Poles is no better than average as a personnel guy the Bears will be mired in 4 to 5 more years of no success on the field. The early results on Poles personnel moves are not good.


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Mully doesn’t understand why anybody thinks this is a bad move, once again highlighting a world class level of intellectual curiosity.



Went to Rita.

Intellectual curiosity isn't part of the their program.

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Bear fans are so desperate for good news. Bottom line is if Poles is no better than average as a personnel guy the Bears will be mired in 4 to 5 more years of no success on the field. The early results on Poles personnel moves are not good.


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Leery now playing tape of Paul Charchian saying it’s a great hire because Warren somehow set up a nice weekend visit to Notre Dame for Charch and his daughter.

Anthony Herron - who I like - highlighting it’s a great hire because he has great executive experience, notably his handling of COVID.

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Bear fans are so desperate for good news. Bottom line is if Poles is no better than average as a personnel guy the Bears will be mired in 4 to 5 more years of no success on the field. The early results on Poles personnel moves are not good.


Screaming hot take, whitesoxbob


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Its always special when someone replies to their own mult :lol: :lol:

Caller Bob and his ilk want Covid to be over, yet they keep screaming about Covid every chance they get. Doesn't seem like a real effective measure to me.



As long as Warren has little to no say in what Poles/whoever is GM does with the roster, its a good move for the Bears.

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Its always special when someone replies to their own mult :lol: :lol:

Caller Bob and his ilk want Covid to be over, yet they keep screaming about Covid every chance they get. Doesn't seem like a real effective measure to me.



As long as Warren has little to no say in what Poles/whoever is GM does with the roster, its a good move for the Bears.


About as effective as the 5th benevolent booster you just got, I bet.


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And there you go talking about Covid again, Vaccinated Bob :D

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They made a bad decision with zero/flawed data. I’m sure you remember, but this was widespread across industries at the time. You don’t have to retroactively support that decision.


The bad part of the decision was the absolutism. IIRC, the Big Ten said they weren't playing a season full stop. Then like four weeks later they decided to play a season with fewer games. The Big Ten suffered from what so many people, organizations, leaders, etc. did at the time which was the failure to say "I don't know".

There's nothing wrong with that in a lot of circumstances. For some reason people think that if they say they don't know it shows weakness. In too many situations it is the opposite where saying you don't know shows strength. Also it's treating people like adults to admit to them that you might be unsure, or might not know what the answer it.

It was a 365 folly with so many during 2020 to fail to admit that they might be uncertain or lack precision on an answer.


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Its always special when someone replies to their own mult :lol: :lol:

Caller Bob and his ilk want Covid to be over, yet they keep screaming about Covid every chance they get. Doesn't seem like a real effective measure to me.



As long as Warren has little to no say in what Poles/whoever is GM does with the roster, its a good move for the Bears.

How can you not consider COVID as part of this guy’s resume, particularly when he fucked it up so badly?

As far as I’ve heard his major accomplishments are:

- Building a stadium in Minnesota without input from ownership or the President of the business
- Answering the phone when SC and UCLA called about expansion
- Canceling football then backtracking because the data he was collecting in real time showed serious issues until they didn’t
- Negotiating a large rights agreement for the B10 (which is nice but irrelevant for the Bears)
- Using connections to get Paul Charchian’s kid an inside lane at Notre Dame

Pretty soon I’m expecting we’ll learn he once spoke to a guy from KC and that he too drafted Patrick Mahomes.

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Ooh, looks like he's gonna bring a little flavor to the boardroom.

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I believe Ted Phillips was in his mid-40s when he was made CEO. This guy is almost 60 so if they bring him in here to put up the stadium and create Bears Town or whatever they are going to call the small village around the stadium I am ok with that. He doesn't appear to be settling in for a couple decades. I'm confident the Bears could have made a much worse choice.

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