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He doesn't need to explain anything. He isn't protesting against gay people. He's simply refusing to take a political position.
As I said, that is up to him to explain.


He did explain himself. A lot of people just don't like the explanation. And they want to punish him.

The explanation was generic and meaningless.



As I said, a lot of people just don't like the explanation. You're obviously among them.
I don't think the explanation really said much of anything. I'd feel the same way for someone kneeling for the anthem saying "I'm just staying true to myself".

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You have it backward. Wearing the sweater is the protest. A protest of some imagined discrimination against the most celebrated members of our society.
You don't think gay people are still discriminated against?



No. I don't. In fact, I think they have special rights. You obviously know what a "protected class" is. You've mentioned it countless times in your defenses of PRIVATE BUSINESSES that discriminate against those who aren't members of such.

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You have it backward. Wearing the sweater is the protest. A protest of some imagined discrimination against the most celebrated members of our society.
You don't think gay people are still discriminated against?

I wouldn’t want to be one in Saudi Arabia that’s for sure

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I have no fucking idea, Rick. I’ve never even heard of the guy until this thread. Maybe he’s the most devout guy on the planet, maybe he just ( GASP) doesnt like gay people.

So wouldn't it be nice if he gave more insight into his protest if you have no idea what he actually means by it? :lol:

"I wish this protestor would explain what and why he is protesting" is more controversial than I expected.

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You have it backward. Wearing the sweater is the protest. A protest of some imagined discrimination against the most celebrated members of our society.
You don't think gay people are still discriminated against?



No. I don't. In fact, I think they have special rights. You obviously know what a "protected class" is. You've mentioned it countless times in your defenses of PRIVATE BUSINESSES that discriminate against those who aren't members of such.

See, this is the type of content that a further explanation on the reason for the protest would get us too. Are gay people treated too well in America now? This hockey player could start a movement.

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You have it backward. Wearing the sweater is the protest. A protest of some imagined discrimination against the most celebrated members of our society.
You don't think gay people are still discriminated against?

I wouldn’t want to be one in Saudi Arabia that’s for sure



I thought we were talking about North America. Because I'm 100% certain that if the NHL expands to China they won't be forcing players to wear rainbow sweaters there.

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Brick wrote:
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You have it backward. Wearing the sweater is the protest. A protest of some imagined discrimination against the most celebrated members of our society.
You don't think gay people are still discriminated against?



No. I don't. In fact, I think they have special rights. You obviously know what a "protected class" is. You've mentioned it countless times in your defenses of PRIVATE BUSINESSES that discriminate against those who aren't members of such.

See, this is the type of content that a further explanation on the reason for the protest would get us too. Are gay people treated too well in America now? This hockey player could start a movement.


Yeah, the NHL waving a rainbow flag is equivalent to Stonewall. It's ridiculous.

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The only reasonable solution is to have him apprentice in a bakery and make cakes for gay weddings during the off-season

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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You have it backward. Wearing the sweater is the protest. A protest of some imagined discrimination against the most celebrated members of our society.
You don't think gay people are still discriminated against?



No. I don't. In fact, I think they have special rights. You obviously know what a "protected class" is. You've mentioned it countless times in your defenses of PRIVATE BUSINESSES that discriminate against those who aren't members of such.

See, this is the type of content that a further explanation on the reason for the protest would get us too. Are gay people treated too well in America now? This hockey player could start a movement.


Yeah, the NHL waving a rainbow flag is equivalent to Stonewall. It's ridiculous.

I'm going off what you said about how they have "special rights". What rights shouldn't they have that they do currently?

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Brick wrote:
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You have it backward. Wearing the sweater is the protest. A protest of some imagined discrimination against the most celebrated members of our society.
You don't think gay people are still discriminated against?



No. I don't. In fact, I think they have special rights. You obviously know what a "protected class" is. You've mentioned it countless times in your defenses of PRIVATE BUSINESSES that discriminate against those who aren't members of such.

See, this is the type of content that a further explanation on the reason for the protest would get us too. Are gay people treated too well in America now? This hockey player could start a movement.


Yeah, the NHL waving a rainbow flag is equivalent to Stonewall. It's ridiculous.

I'm going off what you said about how they have "special rights". What rights shouldn't they have that they do currently?


I think they should have the same rights as any other American. No more. No less.

But look, this is all about marketing. If the NHL wants to try to appeal to a group of potential fans that has largely ignored them thus far, that's fine. But they should be careful about alienating their actual fans. This would be like if Bette Midler made everyone in her band wear MAGA hats.

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I think they should have the same rights as any other American. No more. No less.
So what is a good example of a right they have now that they shouldn't have?

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But look, this is all about marketing. If the NHL wants to try to appeal to a group of potential fans that has largely ignored them thus far, that's fine. But they should be careful about alienating their actual fans. This would be like if Bette Midler made everyone in her band wear MAGA hats.
Why would someone be alienated by this though? I don't ask that saying that no one would be alienated by it. I ask that to know WHY someone is alienated by that.

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this is probably the most relevant the flyers have been in a decade.


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Brick wrote:
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I think they should have the same rights as any other American. No more. No less.
So what is a good example of a right they have now that they shouldn't have?

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
But look, this is all about marketing. If the NHL wants to try to appeal to a group of potential fans that has largely ignored them thus far, that's fine. But they should be careful about alienating their actual fans. This would be like if Bette Midler made everyone in her band wear MAGA hats.
Why would someone be alienated by this though? I don't ask that saying that no one would be alienated by it. I ask that to know WHY someone is alienated by that.


Because most people don't want activism when they're paying for entertainment after a hard day of real work.

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Flyers pride warm up jerseys will be co-opted by some alt right group in under 12 months.

Book it.

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Flyers pride warm up jerseys will be co-opted by some alt right group in under 12 months.

Book it.

with the logo changed to the OK sign

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I think they should have the same rights as any other American. No more. No less.
So what is a good example of a right they have now that they shouldn't have?

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
But look, this is all about marketing. If the NHL wants to try to appeal to a group of potential fans that has largely ignored them thus far, that's fine. But they should be careful about alienating their actual fans. This would be like if Bette Midler made everyone in her band wear MAGA hats.
Why would someone be alienated by this though? I don't ask that saying that no one would be alienated by it. I ask that to know WHY someone is alienated by that.


Because most people don't want activism when they're paying for entertainment after a hard day of real work.
I'll ask once again what is the activism of the pride flag?

Also, I'll ask again what is a good example of a right that gay people have now that they shouldn't have?

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I'll also point out that it's highly likely that this guys religion believes that gay people should not be allowed to be openly gay. You cannot be openly gay in Russia today.

Now, maybe he is worried about Putin being mad if he is photographed in a Pride jersey but I also think it is fair to know what exactly his issue is with the concept.

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This is boring. Quit boring everyone.

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I'll also point out that it's highly likely that this guys religion believes that gay people should not be allowed to be openly gay. You cannot be openly gay in Russia today.

Now, maybe he is worried about Putin being mad if he is photographed in a Pride jersey but I also think it is fair to know what exactly his issue is with the concept.

Why?

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This is boring. Quit boring everyone.

It’s either this or the band teacher who tried fighting a kid.

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I'll also point out that it's highly likely that this guys religion believes that gay people should not be allowed to be openly gay. You cannot be openly gay in Russia today.

Now, maybe he is worried about Putin being mad if he is photographed in a Pride jersey but I also think it is fair to know what exactly his issue is with the concept.


Maybe he thinks it gross? Why dies it matter ?

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I'll also point out that it's highly likely that this guys religion believes that gay people should not be allowed to be openly gay. You cannot be openly gay in Russia today.

Now, maybe he is worried about Putin being mad if he is photographed in a Pride jersey but I also think it is fair to know what exactly his issue is with the concept.


Protest only in a manner, a time and for a cause I deem appropriate.

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I'll also point out that it's highly likely that this guys religion believes that gay people should not be allowed to be openly gay. You cannot be openly gay in Russia today.

Now, maybe he is worried about Putin being mad if he is photographed in a Pride jersey but I also think it is fair to know what exactly his issue is with the concept.


Maybe he thinks it gross? Why dies it matter ?

"I wish this protestor would explain what and why he is protesting" is more controversial than I expected.

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Killing time before I leave work...and I threw my back out sneezing today. So I'm in a mood.


Lol...God's punishment

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Brick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Brick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I think they should have the same rights as any other American. No more. No less.
So what is a good example of a right they have now that they shouldn't have?

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
But look, this is all about marketing. If the NHL wants to try to appeal to a group of potential fans that has largely ignored them thus far, that's fine. But they should be careful about alienating their actual fans. This would be like if Bette Midler made everyone in her band wear MAGA hats.
Why would someone be alienated by this though? I don't ask that saying that no one would be alienated by it. I ask that to know WHY someone is alienated by that.


Because most people don't want activism when they're paying for entertainment after a hard day of real work.
I'll ask once again what is the activism of the pride flag?

Also, I'll ask again what is a good example of a right that gay people have now that they shouldn't have?


The entire point of the Pride flag is activism.

Are gay people a "protected class"? Are you? Sounds like they have some right(s) that you don't.

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I'll also point out that it's highly likely that this guys religion believes that gay people should not be allowed to be openly gay. You cannot be openly gay in Russia today.

Now, maybe he is worried about Putin being mad if he is photographed in a Pride jersey but I also think it is fair to know what exactly his issue is with the concept.


Maybe he thinks it gross? Why dies it matter ?

"I wish this protestor would explain what and why he is protesting" is more controversial than I expected.



Again, he's not protesting. He's refusing to protest.

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I'll also point out that it's highly likely that this guys religion believes that gay people should not be allowed to be openly gay. You cannot be openly gay in Russia today.

Now, maybe he is worried about Putin being mad if he is photographed in a Pride jersey but I also think it is fair to know what exactly his issue is with the concept.


Maybe he thinks it gross? Why dies it matter ?

"I wish this protestor would explain what and why he is protesting" is more controversial than I expected.

Your original remark indicates he somehow owes an explanation.


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The entire point of the Pride flag is activism.
Activism about what?

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Are gay people a "protected class"? Are you? Sounds like they have some right(s) that you don't.
I would be a member of multiple protected classes. Though, it's far less likely I'd ever have to worry about it.

So you don't have an example of a right gay people have that they shouldn't have?

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I watched the Blackhawks against the Sabres for a couple of minutes the other day. A guy I had never heard of named Murphy scored a goal. That was a fun moment of hockey and I soon turned it off to watch a rerun of The Office.

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Brick wrote:
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The entire point of the Pride flag is activism.
Activism about what?

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Are gay people a "protected class"? Are you? Sounds like they have some right(s) that you don't.
I would be a member of multiple protected classes. Though, it's far less likely I'd ever have to worry about it.

So you don't have an example of a right gay people have that they shouldn't have?


I've been to the Paddy's day and Rican day parade, no nudity..you'd be arrested quickly.. but many gays are running around naked and even fucking.

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