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I'll also point out that it's highly likely that this guys religion believes that gay people should not be allowed to be openly gay. You cannot be openly gay in Russia today.

Now, maybe he is worried about Putin being mad if he is photographed in a Pride jersey but I also think it is fair to know what exactly his issue is with the concept.


Maybe he thinks it gross? Why dies it matter ?

"I wish this protestor would explain what and why he is protesting" is more controversial than I expected.

Your original remark indicates he somehow owes an explanation.

Rick is just going full on Jason Goff . “ sounds like there’s something going else goin’ on around here”

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I'll also point out that it's highly likely that this guys religion believes that gay people should not be allowed to be openly gay. You cannot be openly gay in Russia today.

Now, maybe he is worried about Putin being mad if he is photographed in a Pride jersey but I also think it is fair to know what exactly his issue is with the concept.


Maybe he thinks it gross? Why dies it matter ?

"I wish this protestor would explain what and why he is protesting" is more controversial than I expected.

Your original remark indicates he somehow owes an explanation.

My original remark was "What is his objection to the jersey?".

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The entire point of the Pride flag is activism.
Activism about what?


Perceived discrimination against homosexuals. I'll point out that wasn't always the case. At one time that flag meant something.

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So you don't have an example of a right gay people have that they shouldn't have?



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The entire point of the Pride flag is activism.
Activism about what?


Perceived discrimination against homosexuals. I'll point out that wasn't always the case. At one time that flag meant something.

When did all discrimination against homosexuals end?

Just because things are better than they ever have been doesn't mean there still isn't some level of discrimination against gay people.

But still, that is why actually knowing WHY he won't sit is important here. I could infer based on his religion and the laws of his country that he isn't simply tired of gay people complaining how oppressed they have it when they aren't oppressed and have more rights than a straight guy like me has.

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man of few opinions wrote:
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I'll also point out that it's highly likely that this guys religion believes that gay people should not be allowed to be openly gay. You cannot be openly gay in Russia today.

Now, maybe he is worried about Putin being mad if he is photographed in a Pride jersey but I also think it is fair to know what exactly his issue is with the concept.


Maybe he thinks it gross? Why dies it matter ?

"I wish this protestor would explain what and why he is protesting" is more controversial than I expected.

Your original remark indicates he somehow owes an explanation.

My original remark was "What is his objection to the jersey?".

A quick google search shows what he said. It seems pretty clear the guy isn't down with gay pride due to religious principles. Lots of people don't like that answer and want it to be different for some reason.


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Brick wrote:
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The entire point of the Pride flag is activism.
Activism about what?


Perceived discrimination against homosexuals. I'll point out that wasn't always the case. At one time that flag meant something.

When did all discrimination against homosexuals end?


It ended when the government stopped allowing it.

You're apparently not satisfied with that and have now moved on to attempting to control the thoughts of others.

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A quick google search shows what he said. It seems pretty clear the guy isn't down with gay pride due to religious principles. Lots of people don't like that answer and want it to be different for some reason.
It's not about liking or not liking the answer. It's that it is incomplete. Now, maybe you are saying I should just rely on what the Russian Orthodox church has said and done politically.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The entire point of the Pride flag is activism.
Activism about what?


Perceived discrimination against homosexuals. I'll point out that wasn't always the case. At one time that flag meant something.

When did all discrimination against homosexuals end?


It ended when the government stopped allowing it.

You're apparently not satisfied with that and have now moved on to attempting to control the thoughts of others.

Do you feel the same way about the Civil Rights act? WFR made pretty much that exact same argument that systematic racism doesn't exist because of it.

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Brick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Brick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Brick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The entire point of the Pride flag is activism.
Activism about what?


Perceived discrimination against homosexuals. I'll point out that wasn't always the case. At one time that flag meant something.

When did all discrimination against homosexuals end?


It ended when the government stopped allowing it.

You're apparently not satisfied with that and have now moved on to attempting to control the thoughts of others.

Do you feel the same way about the Civil Rights act? WFR made pretty much that exact same argument that systematic racism doesn't exist because of it.


You have to define "systemic racism" first.

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You have to define "systemic racism" first.

We'll save that for another day.

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This is boring. Quit boring everyone.


4 pages. I create content.


I was going say, kudos to CB. A dash of this and pinch of that, and your concoction comes to life.

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You have to define "systemic racism" first.

We'll save that for another day.



It's tough to define, I know. :lol:

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So you don't have an example of a right gay people have that they shouldn't have?



A PRIVATE BUSINESS that doesn't want to serve me can tell me to fuck off, no problem.


No shoes, no shirt, no service, unless you are a gay in but less chaps and a gag ball.

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This is boring. Quit boring everyone.


4 pages. I create content.


I was going say, kudos to CB. A dash of this and pinch of that, and your concoction comes to life.

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So you don't have an example of a right gay people have that they shouldn't have?



A PRIVATE BUSINESS that doesn't want to serve me can tell me to fuck off, no problem.
I missed this the first time.

You are in a protected class based on age. The business can't say "Too old. No service". It's the same thing.

If a business is stupid enough to say "Sorry gay person, I won't serve you because you are gay" then they deserve to get in trouble. They still can deny service to an individual who would be in a protected class as long as it is done for reasons that aren't based on being in a protected class. If a gay person shows up to a nice restaurant in a Bears jersey they can be told "You can't come in here dressed like that".

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My original remark was "What is his objection to the jersey?".

It was stated. If you don't like it, just say he's a bigot. Fuck man, all this pussyfooting around. here, I'll do it for you
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This hockey player's explanation is bullshit. He's a straight up bigot.


There. Let's move on.


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The business can't say "Too old. No service".


They better not. Old guys have all the money.

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The business can't say "Too old. No service".


They better not. Old guys have all the money.
:lol:

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was it a good looking jersey?

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was it a good looking jersey?

Apparently not in the eyes of the Lord.


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was it a good looking jersey?



Had ugly collars on them, should have taken scissors to them.


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The CEO of the company that operates the Des Plaines Theatre defended leasing the city-owned venue to a group that's been criticized for making queerphobic social media posts and other controversial statements.

Describing himself as a proponent of the First Amendment, Ron Onesti of Onesti Entertainment Corp. on Wednesday said Naperville-based Awake Illinois has the right to hold meetings and discuss the issues it pleases. Despite the controversy, Onesti said he won't cancel the event.




"It's not for me to be judge and jury," Onesti said.

During Tuesday's Des Plaines City Council meeting, about a dozen LGBTQ advocates voiced outrage over a Feb. 8 event Awake is holding at the theater. Awake says the gathering, set to start at 6:30 p.m. and called "Out of the Echo Chamber: Coalition for Kids," aims to "transform the conversation on issues affecting children." Admission is $5.

Awake has railed against suburban drag events, medical treatments for transgender youth and the state's new sex education standards, among other topics.

Speakers are set to include Awake founder Shannon Adcock of Naperville; Jaimee Michell, founder of a group called Gays Against Groomers that's been at odds with the transgender community and its allies; Stephanie Trussell, a recent Republican candidate for lieutenant governor and Lisle resident; and former Republican U.S. Senate candidate Matt Dubiel of Naperville.

Sponsors include conservative groups Turning Point USA, the Chicago Log Cabin Republicans, Public Square and No Left Turn in Education.

Many of the speakers who criticized the event Tuesday accused Awake and the other sponsors of spreading hate. They and their allies have since taken to social media to condemn the gathering and question why the theater is hosting it.

Likewise, some sponsors and their supporters have used social media to blast their attackers.

"Why would anyone take issue with an event that is protecting children from indoctrination and sexual exploitation? #groomers," Awake tweeted.

Onesti said he wasn't aware of Awake's political stances before it booked the theater for the Feb. 8 event a couple months ago. While saying he'd draw the line at allowing swastikas or other Nazi symbols to be displayed, Onesti said he doesn't examine groups' beliefs before booking them, regardless of whether they're musical acts or political organizations.

"My role is to provide a venue," he said, adding that he wants to provide a forum "for healthy discussions about the issues of today."

Des Plaines is fortunate to have a place like the theater that hosts such discussions, Onesti said. Opponents "are welcome to come and have their own event the next day," Onesti added.




Some LGBTQ advocates plan to protest outside the theater at 5:15 p.m. Feb. 8.

Onesti Entertainment has a five-year deal with Des Plaines to operate the theater, which the city purchased in 2018 and spent millions to renovate.


During Tuesday's council meeting, Mayor Andrew Goczkowski and other officials said they'll seek to talk with Onesti about the types of events and groups the theater hosts.

"There's no place for politics in a building that's publicly owned," Goczkowski said.

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So nobody not fully aligned with the LGBTQ movement should be allowed to gather and speak? Interesting.


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Onesti hiding behind some bullshit shield of free speech. It's pathetic.


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Onesti hiding behind some bullshit shield of free speech. It's pathetic.

:lol: I think he's going to book a drag show at the Arcada so itll be all good.

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Speakers are set to include Awake founder Shannon Adcock of Naperville

Gross

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Tony Dungy is a pray-the-gay-away religious nut and he's still employed. This kid will be fine, even if he's just doing it for publicity.

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