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Yeah I’ll never understand guys waiting out very high profile jobs. Tells me they have no confidence they’ll do the job well.


Sometimes it's the boss/ownership. Would you want to work under/for Irsay, for example? The Davis family over in Oakland? Etc. If I'm well-regarded and attached to a good team, I might have options. If my market value/recognition can only go down maybe I bite the bullet and take a job working for Irsay.

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He should of took the job, even the worst GM job in football is still a great fucking job. Another year and then he has more "Bears Stink" on his resume.

Yeah I’ll never understand guys waiting out very high profile jobs. Tells me they have no confidence they’ll do the job well.


If the Bears make great strides next year, he'll have another opportunity. Unlike being a head coach, you only get one shot at being a GM.

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Nas wrote:
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He should of took the job, even the worst GM job in football is still a great fucking job. Another year and then he has more "Bears Stink" on his resume.

Yeah I’ll never understand guys waiting out very high profile jobs. Tells me they have no confidence they’ll do the job well.


If the Bears make great strides next year, he'll have another opportunity. Unlike being a head coach, you only get one shot at being a GM.


I don't understand that trend either. I think someone mentioned Thomas Dimitroff on the radio recently. Why doesn't anyone hire him? I don't get the trend at all.

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Nas wrote:
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He should of took the job, even the worst GM job in football is still a great fucking job. Another year and then he has more "Bears Stink" on his resume.

Yeah I’ll never understand guys waiting out very high profile jobs. Tells me they have no confidence they’ll do the job well.


If the Bears make great strides next year, he'll have another opportunity. Unlike being a head coach, you only get one shot at being a GM.


Or the Bears could be a disaster again and the well dries up.


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Yeah I’ll never understand guys waiting out very high profile jobs. Tells me they have no confidence they’ll do the job well.


Sometimes it's the boss/ownership. Would you want to work under/for Irsay, for example? The Davis family over in Oakland? Etc. If I'm well-regarded and attached to a good team, I might have options. If my market value/recognition can only go down maybe I bite the bullet and take a job working for Irsay.

Sure. It’s not like Irsay has never had success. Davis is a weirdo but McDaniels has every resource he could possibly want. They just suck.

And who’s to say next year’s jobs won’t be attached to a psycho ownership group? These windows don’t stay open forever - why wait for a perfect situation that may never exist?

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Definitely a gamble if you wait, I agree. I also imagine where teams pick in the draft also matters. Like, maybe if I wait a year and the Bucs suck again, they'll fire the GM and I get a chance to work in Florida for a team with a top 3 pick, etc.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Yeah I’ll never understand guys waiting out very high profile jobs. Tells me they have no confidence they’ll do the job well.


Sometimes it's the boss/ownership. Would you want to work under/for Irsay, for example? The Davis family over in Oakland? Etc. If I'm well-regarded and attached to a good team, I might have options. If my market value/recognition can only go down maybe I bite the bullet and take a job working for Irsay.

Sure. It’s not like Irsay has never had success. Davis is a weirdo but McDaniels has every resource he could possibly want. They just suck.

And who’s to say next year’s jobs won’t be attached to a psycho ownership group? These windows don’t stay open forever - why wait for a perfect situation that may never exist?


Agree with ya, there are only 32 openings and the only owner who meddlesome really is Jones..one of the reasons they won't win shit.

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He's colluding with Kevin Warren and knows Poles will be fired after he blows this draft and free agency

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A top 10 rookie was found in the 5th round.

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Saw at least one article discussing the possible double trade back, from 1-2 with Texans (pick up 2nd/3rd round pick) and then with Colts for a bigger haul, this would allow Poles to pick up #4, two or three extra 2nd or 3rds, and likely an extra #1 next year, but the trade with the Colts still seems to be the most logical step unless the Colts trade for an established Vet QB again.

Best scenario seems to be having the Texans fall in love with Bryce Young and that the Colts stay enamored with Levis, that keeps the double trade down alive.


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I think a double trade from 1 to 4 may not be very realistic. I hope it happens. If Will Anderson isn't there at 4, I would be fine going down to 7, 8, 9, or 11. Those teams probably want their choice of the 3rd quarterback.

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I think a double trade from 1 to 4 may not be very realistic. I hope it happens. If Will Anderson isn't there at 4, I would be fine going down to 7, 8, 9, or 11. Those teams probably want their choice of the 3rd quarterback.

I don't see the Colts taking the chance. If they want the #1 pick they'll get it.

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Clearly a double trade and ending up still at 4 would be ideal, but there is very slim chances that happens.

Get the best you can in 1 trade and then take the best DL available.

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I believe in the curse of the Bears. As a result we'll probably keep the pick and draft a bust. Fields will flame out and all this hype about the offseason would have been for nothing.

The best thing that will happen is being able to make fun of all these score hosts who thought Fields was a no brainer QB1.

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I believe in the curse of the Bears. As a result we'll probably keep the pick and draft a bust. Fields will flame out and all this hype about the offseason would have been for nothing.

The best thing that will happen is being able to make fun of all these score hosts who thought Fields was a no brainer QB1.


Why do you want to kill me?

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I’ve been sufficiently scared of Carter with all the negative commentary about his fitness and him being hooked up to an oxygen tank any chance he gets. I’m also mindful that Eberflus has stated that the middle of the line makes his defense works, so I’d be surprised if they took Anderson if Carter was still on the board (unless they’ve solved tackle in FA).

Noting all that, if they have the chance to trade down with a team like Seattle for a more modest haul, get an extra couple picks and still have Carter available at 5, I’d take it.

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I believe in the curse of the Bears. As a result we'll probably keep the pick and draft a bust. Fields will flame out and all this hype about the offseason would have been for nothing.

The best thing that will happen is being able to make fun of all these score hosts who thought Fields was a no brainer QB1.

I don't see how they don't trade the pick though. The worst case scenario is Indianapolis plays hard ball and Carolina offers a better deal even with a pick 5 picks later and you get the 6th best non-QB in the draft rather than the 2nd best non-QB in the draft.

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I’ve been sufficiently scared of Carter with all the negative commentary about his fitness and him being hooked up to an oxygen tank any chance he gets. I’m also mindful that Eberflus has stated that the middle of the line makes his defense works, so I’d be surprised if they took Anderson if Carter was still on the board (unless they’ve solved tackle in FA).

Noting all that, if they have the chance to trade down with a team like Seattle for a more modest haul, get an extra couple picks and still have Carter available at 5, I’d take it.


I hope they take care of DT in free agency. I don't think Carter or Bresee will be great players. I wouldn't be surprised if both are complete busts. I think Myles Murphy would be a better DT than both, and he's a DE.

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I believe in the curse of the Bears. As a result we'll probably keep the pick and draft a bust. Fields will flame out and all this hype about the offseason would have been for nothing.

The best thing that will happen is being able to make fun of all these score hosts who thought Fields was a no brainer QB1.

I don't see how they don't trade the pick though. The worst case scenario is Indianapolis plays hard ball and Carolina offers a better deal even with a pick 5 picks later and you get the 6th best non-QB in the draft rather than the 2nd best non-QB in the draft.


The curse of the Bears applies here: if they trade out of #1, the #1 will go on to become one of the top 5 best NFL players ever.

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I believe in the curse of the Bears. As a result we'll probably keep the pick and draft a bust. Fields will flame out and all this hype about the offseason would have been for nothing.

The best thing that will happen is being able to make fun of all these score hosts who thought Fields was a no brainer QB1.

I don't see how they don't trade the pick though. The worst case scenario is Indianapolis plays hard ball and Carolina offers a better deal even with a pick 5 picks later and you get the 6th best non-QB in the draft rather than the 2nd best non-QB in the draft.


The curse of the Bears applies here: if they trade out of #1, the #1 will go on to become one of the top 5 best NFL players ever.

That's why I think the best move is to draft a quarterback and trade Fields.

If Fields becomes Lamar Jackson then you can deal with that.

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There are a lot of teams that supposedly like Richardson, seeing mocks with Richardson, Levis, Stround and Young all going in the top 7, meaning you theoretically could trade back twice, down to four and then down to 7 if you get the Raiders wanting to move up, you still likely get Tyree Wilson Or Myles Murphy, still do like the idea of Ika from Baylor if he's there in the second round.

Indy and Las Vegas both have owners that would likely OK with giving up tons of draft capital to chase a potential QB 1, either way Poles should get tons of offers on draft day, at the very least he should come out of it with a few extra early round picks, and there are needs all over on both sides of the ball so he needs as many as possible.


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If they really want to trade down 2 times then they should probably make the first trade a little while before draft day. Working out 2 draft day trades would seem pretty unlikely.

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If they really want to trade down 2 times then they should probably make the first trade a little while before draft day. Working out 2 draft day trades would seem pretty unlikely.


I completely agree.

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Wondering what the status of last years O line guys will be next year.

C-Mustipher (likely gone, see a significant upgrade via draft or FA and you have Patrick and Kramer as back ups)

G-Jenkins (back up?)

RT-Reiff (gone, Borom and Leatherwood did not show much, can see a draft pick or FA here, or Jones here if they sign a LT)

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IF Orlando Brown becomes a free agent, you have to pay him. The Bears need 3 offensive linemen. Then you can figure out if you trust Jenkins or someone else at RG.

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Wondering what the status of last years O line guys will be next year.

C-Mustipher (likely gone, see a significant upgrade via draft or FA and you have Patrick and Kramer as back ups)

G-Jenkins (back up?)

RT-Reiff (gone, Borom and Leatherwood did not show much, can see a draft pick or FA here, or Jones here if they sign a LT)

G-Whitehair (here due to cap hit)

LT-Jones (here, but where?)

Do you break the bank for a LT?

A lot of depends on what they really think/expect for Jones. He is either going to be starting at RT or LT next year. Whitehair will be a starting guard. You have to address C and one of the T spots at the very least.

Ideally you have

RT - Jones
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Wondering what the status of last years O line guys will be next year.

C-Mustipher (likely gone, see a significant upgrade via draft or FA and you have Patrick and Kramer as back ups)

G-Jenkins (back up?)

RT-Reiff (gone, Borom and Leatherwood did not show much, can see a draft pick or FA here, or Jones here if they sign a LT)

G-Whitehair (here due to cap hit)

LT-Jones (here, but where?)

Do you break the bank for a LT?

I think the only LT worth breaking the bank for is Brown. Might as well give it a shot.

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I think a double trade from 1 to 4 may not be very realistic. I hope it happens. If Will Anderson isn't there at 4, I would be fine going down to 7, 8, 9, or 11. Those teams probably want their choice of the 3rd quarterback.


I could live with being able to take the #1 OL in the draft, especially if we are getting multiple 1s and 2s.

I'm not knocked out by the talent in this year's draft outside of the first few DL. Next year seems really good. There are talents in that draft (caleb willians and harrison Jr) who might go 1-2 if they were able to come out today. If we have two #1 next year, they can even do a luxury pick on a guy like Bowers, who certainly looks like the next, great TE.

If we can get multiple 1s and 2s next year, i think we will like what is available

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I think Whitehair may be gone this offseason. He really struggled at the end of the season. They could save $6M by moving on.

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