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I would believe a Kap rumor or one of Terry's peeps before I believe Sapp.


Where are Terry's peeps hanging out these days? Are they at Shady Acres with Pappy and Uncle Terry?


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to me, the firewall is 4. 4 ensures you either Carter or Anderson. Anything beyond that and I'd need a king's ransom to move


I've watched a lot of videos, and I can't understand the love for Bresee or Carter. Bresee's lazy fat ass gets compared to Aaron Donald. Carter plays 1/3 of the snaps, and he rarely makes the play. What am I missing? Why are these top 6 or 7 prospects?


Murphy jumps off the tape, almost like him better than Carter, he instantly fills a DE spot for the next 5 years and if you can get Marcus Davenport you have two guys that can push the edge, liking the Ika kid from Baylor more and more, big athletic dude that can push the pocket inside, not a prototypical three tech, but you likely need to aquire another 2nd to make sure you can get him.

Like the "700 pounds of ass" concept at DT, when you look at what guys like Vita and Wilfork who take away the inside run game and keep the guards and center off your LB's it seems strange that all teams do not have at least one of these guys.


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The Bears don't run that defense anymore. They prefer the weak, undersized DT's that get their ass blown back 5 yards every play, just like when Lovie was here.


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The Bears don't run that defense anymore. They prefer the weak, undersized DT's that get their ass blown back 5 yards every play, just like when Lovie was here.


Murphy looks like he could play inside or outside. You forgot about Tommie Harris. The defense wasn't the same without him.

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The Bears don't run that defense anymore. They prefer the weak, undersized DT's that get their ass blown back 5 yards every play, just like when Lovie was here.


Murphy looks like he could play inside or outside. You forgot about Tommie Harris. The defense wasn't the same without him.


A player like Tommie Harris or Aaron Donald is so rare, you just can't find them. Remember Tank Johnson "filling in" during the Superbowl? The Colts had his ass on roller skates all game.


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The Bears don't run that defense anymore. They prefer the weak, undersized DT's that get their ass blown back 5 yards every play, just like when Lovie was here.


Murphy looks like he could play inside or outside. You forgot about Tommie Harris. The defense wasn't the same without him.


A player like Tommie Harris or Aaron Donald is so rare, you just can't find them. Remember Tank Johnson "filling in" during the Superbowl? The Colts had his ass on roller skates all game.


Yeah, they don't have the stud middle linebacker either. I like Sanborn, but I don't think he will be a generational talent. The Bears don't play Cover 2 as much as Lovie did.

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The Bears don't run that defense anymore. They prefer the weak, undersized DT's that get their ass blown back 5 yards every play, just like when Lovie was here.


Murphy looks like he could play inside or outside. You forgot about Tommie Harris. The defense wasn't the same without him.


A player like Tommie Harris or Aaron Donald is so rare, you just can't find them. Remember Tank Johnson "filling in" during the Superbowl? The Colts had his ass on roller skates all game.


Yeah, they don't have the stud middle linebacker either. I like Sanborn, but I don't think he will be a generational talent. The Bears don't play Cover 2 as much as Lovie did.

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The Bears don't run that defense anymore. They prefer the weak, undersized DT's that get their ass blown back 5 yards every play, just like when Lovie was here.


The idea is for the three tech to get up the field, do see teams using bigger taller and rangier guys on the inside with some success, Murphy is an interesting prospect because he's a 6'5" guy that looks like he could be stout enough to hold the point of attack while still being a threat to push the pocket.

Top end DT and DE talent is hard to find and when you have a chance to get one you have to grab them.

Poles and Cunningham may have totally different grades on guys than the mock draft dudes, and given the fact that he purged the team of the take every other off type dudes like Mack and Hicks, it makes you think he may stay away from Carter, who reportedly did not seem that interested at times while at Georgia.


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I don’t think they have to get cute with it. If they want a DT, pick Carter. If they want an edge rusher, take Anderson.

They dropped the vets because they were tanking and a tanking team has no use for a high priced Khalil Mack.

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I don’t think they have to get cute with it. If they want a DT, pick Carter. If they want an edge rusher, take Anderson.

They dropped the vets because they were tanking and a tanking team has no use for a high priced Khalil Mack.


Maybe you can answer this question for me.

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to me, the firewall is 4. 4 ensures you either Carter or Anderson. Anything beyond that and I'd need a king's ransom to move


I've watched a lot of videos, and I can't understand the love for Bresee or Carter. Bresee's lazy fat ass gets compared to Aaron Donald. Carter plays 1/3 of the snaps, and he rarely makes the play. What am I missing? Why are these top 6 or 7 prospects?

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I don’t think they have to get cute with it. If they want a DT, pick Carter. If they want an edge rusher, take Anderson.

They dropped the vets because they were tanking and a tanking team has no use for a high priced Khalil Mack.


Maybe you can answer this question for me.

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to me, the firewall is 4. 4 ensures you either Carter or Anderson. Anything beyond that and I'd need a king's ransom to move


I've watched a lot of videos, and I can't understand the love for Bresee or Carter. Bresee's lazy fat ass gets compared to Aaron Donald. Carter plays 1/3 of the snaps, and he rarely makes the play. What am I missing? Why are these top 6 or 7 prospects?

He’s strong and supposedly crazy athletic. Takes on multiple blocks. I don’t get too hung up on perceived fitness in the playoff games (particularly a game they won by 60 points). He’s been considered arguably the best player on one of the best defenses in college football history in two consecutive championship seasons.

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The Bears don't run that defense anymore. They prefer the weak, undersized DT's that get their ass blown back 5 yards every play, just like when Lovie was here.


Murphy looks like he could play inside or outside. You forgot about Tommie Harris. The defense wasn't the same without him.


A player like Tommie Harris or Aaron Donald is so rare, you just can't find them. Remember Tank Johnson "filling in" during the Superbowl? The Colts had his ass on roller skates all game.


Yeah, they don't have the stud middle linebacker either. I like Sanborn, but I don't think he will be a generational talent. The Bears don't play Cover 2 as much as Lovie did.


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This is like an eight leg parlay where the probability of success is miniscule, but the biggest question is what price would the Texans be willing to pay to move up one slot?

You then would open up the possibility for the double trade down, move down to two and then down to 4, which would allow you to pick up numerous extra early round picks and still get one of the top defensive guys.

It would seem that Poles would be smart to get the Texans and Colts bidding against each other, get the Texans to overpay to move up, and then listen to what the Colts are willing to give him for #2 while fielding calls from the Raiders and other teams.

You also seemingly would have teams trying to move up to #4 to get whatever QB is left, just depends on how far down Poles is willing to move, but if you can turn the #1 pick into 4-6 early round picks that will make up the core of your roster for the next 5 years it really would be tempting to not at least entertain that possibility.

Poles could theoretically walk away with numerous extra 2nd or 3rd round picks, an extra #1 next year, and still get a top 5 player.


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This is like an eight leg parlay where the probability of success is miniscule, but the biggest question is what price would the Texans be willing to pay to move up one slot?

You then would open up the possibility for the double trade down, move down to two and then down to 4, which would allow you to pick up numerous extra early round picks and still get one of the top defensive guys.

It would seem that Poles would be smart to get the Texans and Colts bidding against each other, get the Texans to overpay to move up, and then listen to what the Colts are willing to give him for #2 while fielding calls from the Raiders and other teams.

You also seemingly would have teams trying to move up to #4 to get whatever QB is left, just depends on how far down Poles is willing to move, but if you can turn the #1 pick into 4-6 early round picks that will make up the core of your roster for the next 5 years it really would be tempting to not at least entertain that possibility.

Poles could theoretically walk away with numerous extra 2nd or 3rd round picks, an extra #1 next year, and still get a top 5 player.


McShay seems convinced that Houston and Indy will be bidding against one another to acquire the #1 pick. Houston currently has the #2, #12 and #33 picks in this year's draft.

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If everyone knows the Bears want to trade down from 1, why would anyone get in a bidding war?


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If everyone knows the Bears want to trade down from 1, why would anyone get in a bidding war?

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Because they don't want another team to jump in front of them and get the #1 pick.

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Ranked 8th best rookie class this year without a 1st round pick.

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Poles went best player available last year and did not overdraft guys to fill positional needs, steered clear of boom or bust guys like Pickens, and he was able to stockpile later round picks via trades, all that would seem to indicate he will try to acquire as many picks as he can and may trade down repeatedly.

The more you see stuff about Murphy the more I like him, a few spots have him graded very similarly to Carter, see him as a guy that may climb a few spots as people question Carter's work ethic, would Murphy still be there is they traded down to 7 and picked up a huge haul from the Raiders?

Do like the idea of picking up extra 2nd or 3rd round picks, can find top end prospects at LB's (Pappoe and To'oTo'o), DT's (Dexter and Ika) and a starting Center with those picks.

A few of these guys, especially Ika and Pappoe likely climb the boards, especially Pappoe who will may run in the low 4.4's, but these guys would all be tremendous upgrades.


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The Bears don't run that defense anymore. They prefer the weak, undersized DT's that get their ass blown back 5 yards every play, just like when Lovie was here.



Very good take :lol:

Its the perfect description for Uncover YOU 2 bend until your butt cheeks are wedged into the ground Defense patented by Mr. Lovie,

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This is like an eight leg parlay where the probability of success is miniscule, but the biggest question is what price would the Texans be willing to pay to move up one slot?

You then would open up the possibility for the double trade down, move down to two and then down to 4, which would allow you to pick up numerous extra early round picks and still get one of the top defensive guys.

It would seem that Poles would be smart to get the Texans and Colts bidding against each other, get the Texans to overpay to move up, and then listen to what the Colts are willing to give him for #2 while fielding calls from the Raiders and other teams.

You also seemingly would have teams trying to move up to #4 to get whatever QB is left, just depends on how far down Poles is willing to move, but if you can turn the #1 pick into 4-6 early round picks that will make up the core of your roster for the next 5 years it really would be tempting to not at least entertain that possibility.

Poles could theoretically walk away with numerous extra 2nd or 3rd round picks, an extra #1 next year, and still get a top 5 player.



That's how I see it also. Getting the Colts or maybe one or two other teams involved I think is a key strategy for getting worthy compensation for the number one pick

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If everyone knows the Bears want to trade down from 1, why would anyone get in a bidding war?

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Because they don't want another team to jump in front of them and get the #1 pick.

Yep and teams always tend to get irrational QB Gold fever. Someone will do something stupid and I hope the Bears capitalize on that.

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Ranked 8th best rookie class this year without a 1st round pick.

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The list was only based on how much production teams got out of their players in their first season.

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I think there might be an opportunity to trade down three times and still be in the top 10.

That would really be something if they came out of this draft with 3 additional first round picks next year and their own as well.

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Ranked 8th best rookie class this year without a 1st round pick.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ch ... b603975f6c


The list was only based on how much production teams got out of their players in their first season.


Yes... because all you can get is first season production from a rookie class

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I think there might be an opportunity to trade down three times and still be in the top 10.

That would really be something if they came out of this draft with 3 additional first round picks next year and their own as well.

Not only is draft time when some NFL GMs go crazy, but many fans also go insane.

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"We have a lot of holes to fill on our roster and we are open for business to add as many draft picks as we can!!"

Ryan Poles will be telling everyone who calls him this very thing up until he goes on the clock.

A few well timed rumors to the likes of Adam Shefter and some well know agents, and off we go.

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I think there might be an opportunity to trade down three times and still be in the top 10.

That would really be something if they came out of this draft with 3 additional first round picks next year and their own as well.

Not only is draft time when some NFL GMs go crazy, but many fans also go insane.


Have to hand it to the NFL, they have found a way to create immense interest in the offseason which keeps the league relevant for most of the year.

The draft coverage started with Hubert Arkush hiring some rather odd dudes to write up draft guides and has morphed into a huge industry with even stranger dudes like Mel Kiper being trotted out for months at a time and went from teams writing the names of the draftees on note cards and passing them to the commissioner in a smoke filled back room to prime time coverage on multiple networks.

You get the fanbase of every team involved as there is always the hope that the young dude running around in his underwear at the combine could be the dude that leads your team to the promised land.


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If everyone knows the Bears want to trade down from 1, why would anyone get in a bidding war?



Because everyone knows the Bears want to trade down.


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