Was on P&S this afternoon (about an hour ago)

You're an asshole for sharing this. Ryan Pace is the devil.

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The Bears would have ruined Mahomes

It was a good interview.

But yeah that sucks. That draft will forever haunt the Bears. Needed a QB and TE. Could have had Mahomes and Kittle. Got Tribusky and Shaheen.

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No chance. It's what we have to think so we don't cry.

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Nah.. like Burrow with cincy, great qbs overcome Terrible organizations and ownership

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Mahomes Sr. can fuck off for talking about it. Do the right thing and pretend it never happened.

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Lotta revisionist history. I'm a proud Mitch hater but it's not insane that he was picked before Mahomes. There was no consensus no 1 and more than a few rankings had him either 1 or 2 out of the three. If anything there was more clarity about Watson while not much separated Mahomes and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. So Parkins is being revisionist when he claims Pace screwed up by not picking Mahomes. What was insane was trading up to draft (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky: if anything in that draft you trade down from 3 to grab one of the three, since there was no consensus must have QB between the three.

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I'm surprised Pace talked to Mahomes.

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He offered Mahomes' camp a third round pick for the right to talk to him and scout him at the combine before Mahomes' agent stepped in and told Pace this could all happen for free.

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Tradecraft to hide his affection for Mitchell.

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But he did screw up. It was his job to evaluate the players in question and he fell in love with a 1 year starter from a fringe college program who turned out to be a complete bust. Trading up to get him made it even worse. It really doesn't matter what the mock draft "experts" thought about it unless you think that a GM should just pick whoever Mel Kiper's has as the best remaining on the board.

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God willing the same thing happens with some GM and Levis this draft cycle.

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That's not a fair reading of mock drafts. By mock drafts I don't mean bloggers from Bleacher Report I mean the collective wisdom from NFL personnel executives and scouts. No one predicted this out of Mahomes. If you want to say pace should have seen that then fine but then he's not the only one who missed out on him.

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Here are anonymous scouts for example ranking (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky #1. You'll find others where it's Watson #1 and so on. I think Pace is an idiot and incompetent but I can't say he is alone in failing to project Mahomes' potential.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 100817778/

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Well the Chiefs traded 2 firsts and a 3rd to draft Mahomes, so I'd say somebody saw him as a star. Is Joe Douglas (Jets GM) blameless for drafting Zach Wilson?

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I disagree. Only because he narrowed it down to (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and Mahomes. There isn't a (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky intangible that trumps the gap in talent.

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Yes, KC clearly deserves credit. They saw something in him. They appear to be in the minority since ten other teams passed on him.

Your Wilson question is more philosophical. It was consistent with conventional wisdom at the time to draft Wilson early. Here's a report from anonymous NFL people that compares Wilson to Rodgers, among other people. Incidentally, this report is really interesting on Fields. I think it nailed him, looking back on it. https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/04/28/gamep ... arterbacks

So now you have to ask: though it was unsurprising that Wilson went #2, should the team that took him be blamed since he didn't turn out to be any good? I don't know if I disagree with the process. I mean they didn't pull a Pace and overdraft Wilson or pay an unreasonable premium for him. They made a conventional pick - take the best QB on the board. Many/most NFL people considered that to be Wilson. It didn't work out.

I really don't know if I can "blame" them since that's just hindsight bias. Saying Portland should have never taken Bowe after the fact isn't interesting. Of course they shouldn't have, in hindsight. The question is did the Jets make the optimal pick with the information they had at the time of the pick.

EDIT: And what I would blame the Jets for is not cutting their losses if they fail to do so. The Bears compounded the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky disaster by sticking with him for a season too long. Once you realize you have a loss you cut bait and move on.

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I'm not sure the Bowie analogy works. Portland already had a great wing, and the league was still tailored to big men. Bowie was a great athletic big. He just had Walton feet. In hindsight, Houston takes Jordan #1. In retrospect, the Browns should have taken Mahomes #1. If Fields becomes a pro bowl player, but a quarterback in this draft becomes a HoF player, can you blame the Bears for not taking him? That's what we do with Jordan v Bowie.

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I don't think that really says they saw him as a star. They obviously liked his potential but they took a big chance that they left without a star quarterback by waiting so long to pick him.

Pace's problem wasn't picking (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky over Mahomes or Watson. It was that he was so sure that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was better that he wasn't even willing to take either of the other two as a backup plan.

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Isn’t that what you want out of your GM though? To be sure that the player he’s taking is better than the other ones he is considering?

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There would be no trades if that was how it worked though.

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I prefer not to think about this

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Good point, I didn't think about that. I mean unless you knew the future you can't say the Blazers made a mistake. You can say they were unlucky. I think we have to acknowledge luck/fortune as a factor here - it's not an exact science.



Drafts are a weird mixture of scouting and luck. I can't "blame" the Jets for taking what 95% of scouts/experts/etc said was the next best prospect on the board.

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The mistake wasn't drafting (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. QBs in the draft largely are crapshoots. Some work out and some don't. Of course hindsight is always 20/20, but the act of taking him wasn't the problem.

Trading up for Mitch coupled with hanging on to him too long was the problem.

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Pace tended to fall in love with guys, it seemed the other GM's knew this and knew they would count on good ole' Ryan to hand over a draft pick or two to go fetch some guy he had way too high on his board because he felt was smarter than the rest of the GM's, he tended to value one year wonder guys that put up good combine numbers over guys that had played at a high level in college.

Remember watching a pre season game in Mahomes rookie year where he came in late in the second half, his arm talent jumped off the screen, was making throws far superior to anything Mitch could do, you could easily see he was a far superior prospect, but the Mitch pick looks relatively solid when you compare it to White (one year wonder/combine guy) over Cooper.

Amari Cooper was taking three spots (#4 overall) ahead of Kevin White (#7 overall).