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You want to build around a 34 year old dude?


Short term, is there a better option? He's currently 33 and his style of play ages well. He can be the bridge to the future. Lavine's a dead end.

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Lavine is the same guy he's always been, the bulls just overpaid him.


At $18-20 million, Lavine was fine. I could live with his limitations. I can't do it for $40-50 million.

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The signing of Lonzo Ball is probably the worst move that AK has made thus far.



Yup.. another L for farvefan


Even if you believe in him as a player, it would be tough to overlook the fact that he misses about half the season every season.


Yeah..he's soft. He conveniently got injured before he could be traded several times.


Yep. There is a lot of confidence and respect for a dude that never has proven shit in the NBA. The mere fact that Caller Bob is a huge fan is reason enough to know that Ball isn't shit.
There is a ton of chatter going around with the online witch doctors that Ball may never play again. Based mostly on a Cowley report that claims that Ball has had 6 doctors look at the knee and not a one can diagnose exactly what the source of the pain happens to be.
From that they are concluding that Ball has a degenerative knee and is hence done. I'm starting to think that as well.


The #1 goal of the Ball family is to get paid a lot of money for playing basketball, not to play winning basketball, or to play for a long period of time, but to get paid as much as possible to play basketball, they have all met that goal.

Interesting to hear the whispers about Ball getting six to seven opinions and yet not settling on a diagnosis, but then again, he's getting paid a healthy sum, so there is certainly no urgency on his part to get back to work, it's not like he's a ham and egger like the rest of us that needs to get back to work to get paid.


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 Post subject: Re: Lonzo Ball
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Lavine deal will be worse than the Ball deal before its over.


I agree. It was easy to see he wasn't a guy you pay.


No matter how bad Lavine's deal happens to be, it is impossible for it to ever be worse than a dude that isn't even playing. And with a better coach Lavine could still be an All Star level player. Just not Max. That Ball deal is killing the franchise currently.


I understand your point, but Ball is tying up 15% of our cap space, and was signed to be a complimentary player. Lavine takes up 30% of our cap and he's supposed to be a superstar player. He's not even an all star.

DeRozan is the best player on the team, and he's been consistently great since he arrived. He plays a style of basketball that should age well. Dump Lavine and build around Demar. Lavine can't handle being Robin.


The Bulls can trade Lavine at that salary and still get value back. Can't get anything for Lonzo.
Derozan is a problem too. He can't defend and is a bigger ball stopper than Lavine. I'd move both of them if I could.

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It is a good time. There's 7, 8, 9 teams that think they have a legit shot.


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It is a good time. There's 7, 8, 9 teams that think they have a legit shot.


Not opposed to it but I would want players in return and not draft picks though.

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 Post subject: Re: Lonzo Ball
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absolutely trade lavine and derozen. demar is awesome but hes a piece that we arent close enough to need right now. lavine is just a mess, the guys ego hurts the team.

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It is a good time. There's 7, 8, 9 teams that think they have a legit shot.


Not opposed to it but I would want players in return and not draft picks though.

The skill set of the league means you can pick at some nice pieces. Take Atlanta for example. They are so deep skill-set wise that Trey is on the block.


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I'm shocked! https://sports.yahoo.com/report-lonzo-b ... 29583.html

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Russell Westbrook has NO meniscus, just to give context. He's running and jumping bone on bone.


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2/3 legit ballers in the NBA ain't bad. Now it's probably just LaMelo though. Not what he thought it'd be but not bad either.

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I also think that Ball doesn't want to play basketball. I never believed that he was ever fully vested in being a basketball player. Too much "Big Baller Brand" from the very beginning and not enough hooper for me.


Yeah, I nearly puked when I heard Donovan say he felt sorry for Ball because "he loves to play." I think knowing you'll collect $80m even if you never step on the court again cushions the blow.

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Is Karnisovas/Eversley the worst FO era in Bulls history? Worse than Gar/Pax? They just might be. This botched signing, they got hosed on the Vuc deal, Patrick Single is an awful pick at #4. It's pretty bad.


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What's the nerve issue? Is this more negligence by the Bulls medical staff?

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What's the nerve issue? Is this more negligence by the Bulls medical staff?

Nerve issue, my ass.


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Is Karnisovas/Eversley the worst FO era in Bulls history? Worse than Gar/Pax? They just might be. This botched signing, they got hosed on the Vuc deal, Patrick Single is an awful pick at #4. It's pretty bad.


Paxson alone was great. This is definitely worse than Gar so far. That Lavine deal won't get better.

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What's the nerve issue? Is this more negligence by the Bulls medical staff?

Nerve issue, my ass.


Laziness?

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I'd play. If they have to cut off my leg when I'm 40, oh well. With the prosthetics they make these days, you'd hardly notice when "you go to meetings".


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Patrick Single is an awful pick at #4. It's pretty bad.

Currently averages Double Figures in points. Never let facts get in the way of a Caller Bob inspired narrative however. Kid is hardly an "awful" pick either.

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Patrick Single is an awful pick at #4. It's pretty bad.

Currently averages Double Figures in points. Never let facts get in the way of a Caller Bob inspired narrative however. Kid is hardly an "awful" pick either.


When you see Tyrese Halliburton, it kinda is


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Caller Bob wrote:
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Patrick Single is an awful pick at #4. It's pretty bad.

Currently averages Double Figures in points. Never let facts get in the way of a Caller Bob inspired narrative however. Kid is hardly an "awful" pick either.



When you see Tyrese Halliburton, it kinda is


No it isn't. Sacramento got better simply by trading Halliburton. Some impact. You also thought Fox stinks and so does Brunson. At this point no one takes your "thoughts" seriously CB

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:lol: Halliburton is averaging 19 and 10 shooting 40% from 3. And plays great defense. And if the Bulls have drafted him they would have never overpaid for Ball. And you think Patrick Williams is a better pick? Talk about ridiculous


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:lol: Halliburton is averaging 19 and 10 shooting 40% from 3. And plays great defense. And if the Bulls have drafted him they would have never overpaid for Ball. And you think Patrick Williams is a better pick? Talk about ridiculous


Nah to date Haliburton is the better pick. But if you didn't have a hard on for the Paw, Haliburton would be just another "looter in a riot" as far as you are concerned.

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What's the nerve issue? Is this more negligence by the Bulls medical staff?

Nerve issue, my ass.


Somewhat laughable reading the NBA "experts" talking about orthopedic injuries, they reported the injury as a "MCL tear" and then talked about it being a meniscus injury, anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of anatomy knows that the MCL (medial collateral ligament) is in fact by its very name a ligament that runs on the medial aspect of the knee. The meniscus is totally separate, thinking that the writer types who were not smart enough to do anything in the medical field would have at least had the curiosity to get the anatomy correct?

Have thought all along that this was similar to the Cohen injury where the initial injury was far worse than first suspected and that they likely missed diagnostic data by misreading the initial MRI's or by not consulting a top knee specialist initially. The initial Cohen injury involved a tibial plateau fracture which they of course never divulged, and I don't think Cohen was advised well by the team or by his agent, so he never said how bad the injury was which made both him and the Bears look like idiots.

The biggest problem with sports for profit entities is that they are invested in getting the athletes back quickly and employ doctors that have the teams best interests in mind, and are dealing with young and vulnerable people that lack the ability to understand the diagnosis and treatment plan that is being presented to them and do not have anyone in their lives to advise them.

The Ball kids dad is a raging idiot who likely could not grasp even the most rudimentary explanation of his kids injury, so the kid was likely not given any good advice on how to proceed.


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What's the nerve issue? Is this more negligence by the Bulls medical staff?

Nerve issue, my ass.


Somewhat laughable reading the NBA "experts" talking about orthopedic injuries, they reported the injury as a "MCL tear" and then talked about it being a meniscus injury, anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of anatomy knows that the MCL (medial collateral ligament) is in fact by its very name a ligament that runs on the medial aspect of the knee. The meniscus is totally separate, thinking that the writer types who were not smart enough to do anything in the medical field would have at least had the curiosity to get the anatomy correct?

Have thought all along that this was similar to the Cohen injury where the initial injury was far worse than first suspected and that they likely missed diagnostic data by misreading the initial MRI's or by not consulting a top knee specialist initially. The initial Cohen injury involved a tibial plateau fracture which they of course never divulged, and I don't think Cohen was advised well by the team or by his agent, so he never said how bad the injury was which made both him and the Bears look like idiots.

The biggest problem with sports for profit entities is that they are invested in getting the athletes back quickly and employ doctors that have the teams best interests in mind, and are dealing with young and vulnerable people that lack the ability to understand the diagnosis and treatment plan that is being presented to them and do not have anyone in their lives to advise them.

The Ball kids dad is a raging idiot who likely could not grasp even the most rudimentary explanation of his kids injury, so the kid was likely not given any good advice on how to proceed.

He had a second scope last September. A second misdiagnosis seems unlikely, doesn't it?


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I've tried blaming shoes and other external factors. It's easy to blame shit when you're hurt. But when I'm healthy I don't notice anything that can put me on the ir for extended time. Drinking the night before a workout is the most dangerous thing I've found. Or generally working out too many days in a row and not enough recovery time. Forcing through atrophy leads to injury easily.

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What's the nerve issue? Is this more negligence by the Bulls medical staff?

Nerve issue, my ass.


Somewhat laughable reading the NBA "experts" talking about orthopedic injuries, they reported the injury as a "MCL tear" and then talked about it being a meniscus injury, anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of anatomy knows that the MCL (medial collateral ligament) is in fact by its very name a ligament that runs on the medial aspect of the knee. The meniscus is totally separate, thinking that the writer types who were not smart enough to do anything in the medical field would have at least had the curiosity to get the anatomy correct?

Have thought all along that this was similar to the Cohen injury where the initial injury was far worse than first suspected and that they likely missed diagnostic data by misreading the initial MRI's or by not consulting a top knee specialist initially. The initial Cohen injury involved a tibial plateau fracture which they of course never divulged, and I don't think Cohen was advised well by the team or by his agent, so he never said how bad the injury was which made both him and the Bears look like idiots.

The biggest problem with sports for profit entities is that they are invested in getting the athletes back quickly and employ doctors that have the teams best interests in mind, and are dealing with young and vulnerable people that lack the ability to understand the diagnosis and treatment plan that is being presented to them and do not have anyone in their lives to advise them.

The Ball kids dad is a raging idiot who likely could not grasp even the most rudimentary explanation of his kids injury, so the kid was likely not given any good advice on how to proceed.

He had a second scope last September. A second misdiagnosis seems unlikely, doesn't it?


Hearing nerve damage, that would seem an odd outcome from a scope? They are obviously never going to tell you what really happened.

Does sound more and more like the Tarik Cohen case where the initial injury was far worse than the team said, felt bad for Cohen because it made it seem like he was not healing fast enough, but in reality he had suffered a tibial plateau fracture which requires a much longer recovery time than a knee ligament repair.


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