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This dude has wanted out of every team he's been on. At some point in retirement he'll demand to be traded out of the HOF. Absolute clown.

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Nets gonna make whoever trades for Kyrie take Ben Simmons off their hands as well.


Simmons wouldn't fetch a junior whopper in any deal.



That's why you barnacle Simmons to Kyrie in any deal for Kyrie.

How's that even possible. Don't they both have max deals. Simmons is toxic, I can't imagine any team willing to accept him if it means getting Kyrie. I think they'd accept him if it means getting Durant.

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This dude has wanted out of every team he's been on. At some point in retirement he'll demand to be traded out of the HOF. Absolute clown.


Still doesn't mean that the Nets "demands" are as I should say, "reasonable". And aren't your comments a tadbit "misplaced" considering that the better teams in the league are currently clamoring for his "services"? Just Asking A Question

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This dude has wanted out of every team he's been on. At some point in retirement he'll demand to be traded out of the HOF. Absolute clown.


If I remember right, he wanted out of Cleveland because he didn't want to play second fiddle. Not even second fiddle, but he felt by playing with a generational talent, he got no credit.

In Boston, there were chemistry and locker room issues, specifically with Terry Rozier. Hayward's season ended the very first game Kyrie was in a Celtics uniform. Tatum was a rookie and wasn't the Tatum we know today. And Kyrie ran into knee issues. His grandfather dying made him want to go home, especially if KD was already headed to Brooklyn. Also, he was a free agent. He did not ask to be traded like he did when he was in Cleveland. He literally was free to sign where ever he wanted.

Was it his right not to get vaccinated? Yes. If he were unvaccinated playing on any other team in the NBA, he would've been playing basketball. Unvaccinated Nets fans were in attendance each game and yet, Kyrie couldn't play.

He's played all games this year (minus injury or rest). He wanted a new contract from Brooklyn and Brooklyn comes back with various stipulations like you have to win the Finals (according to Chris Haynes). So Kyrie said fuck you, I'll see myself out. The dude is shooting 48% from the field, 40% from 3, while averaging 30 points, 7 assists, and 6 rebounds over the last 10 games -- all without KD.

Did he say some weird shit the past couple years? Sure. Some of the shit would have never been a story had the antagonistic Nick Friedell not wanted to create some story that wasn't. Kyrie posted a 15 second clip of Alex Jones talking about secret societies and the New World Order. It's something a teenager would do. But Friedell had to make it out and seem like Kyrie was not only promoting anti-semetism, but he was anti-semetic himself.


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I think the big swing is resetting by trading for several picks rather than acquiring a mercurial PG who is not a piece that you can win with today or tomorrow. Trading for Irving specifically would be very very odd given his track record.

If they trade Lavine for Kyrie straight up they immediately would be top 4 in the conference. Trading for picks does nothing because they'd likely be lottery protected or top 4 protected meaning you still wouldn't be drafting a franchise player.


That's a strong assumption on the picks. Obviously the Bulls would press for unprotected picks if they're giving up serious assets like the big three.


It's also a strong assumption any team would think the big three are serious assets worth an unprotected pick. It'd be great if someone did though.


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Why not? If you're a contender and a piece away from separating from the pack you'd be salivating over the chance to add one of the three to your squad. Anyone of the three could potentially function as this year's Rasheed Wallace, as in the midseason acquisition that vaults your team into the finals.

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Sure, if they're a contender possibly a piece away their pick will suck and you can get it unprotected. I thought we were talking about useful picks.


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Why not? If you're a contender and a piece away from separating from the pack you'd be salivating over the chance to add one of the three to your squad. Anyone of the three could potentially function as this year's Rasheed Wallace, as in the midseason acquisition that vaults your team into the finals.


No team that sucks is going to give an unprotected pick for aging C rate level "All Stars". That is a pipe dream. Or Lavine either.
And if it is a contender then that means you are going to have to wait years for them to suck enough to be in the lottery. The picks would be virtually worthless.

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I didn't say a team that sucks would trade an unprotected picks. That's a strawman argument. I explicitly said contender.

I realize a contender's pick would suck this year. Usually teams target future firsts when dealing with contenders.

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I didn't say a team that sucks would trade an unprotected picks. That's a strawman argument. I explicitly said contender.

I realize a contender's pick would suck this year. Usually teams target future firsts when dealing with contenders.


If it's a contending team then (as stated) it would take years for the team to suck enough to be in the lottery. If they suck at all.

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I didn't say a team that sucks would trade an unprotected picks. That's a strawman argument. I explicitly said contender.

I realize a contender's pick would suck this year. Usually teams target future firsts when dealing with contenders.


I think you're still overselling what the Bulls have, but that's every fan discussing every trade for every player in every sport since the beginning of time.


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I didn't say a team that sucks would trade an unprotected picks. That's a strawman argument. I explicitly said contender.

I realize a contender's pick would suck this year. Usually teams target future firsts when dealing with contenders.


I think you're still overselling what the Bulls have, but that's every fan discussing every trade for every player in every sport since the beginning of time.


Fair enough. I'm more coming at it from the perspective of a contender rather than believing these guys are better than they actually are. Damar as a team's three has way more value for the team on which he's the three. So if I can get deamar to be my no 3 and ride that out for this year and next maybe I'm doing that. In other words I'm looking at the roster like a ravenous MLB contender might look at a seller's roster: if I can raid that roster for a few guys here and there it'll help me in the postseason.

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Lebron with Anthony Davis back lose to the Pelicans with perpetually injured Zion out. Media's emphasis on LBJ chasing Kareem's scoring. Nothing that LBJ doesn't elevate "journeyman" stiffs games like MJ did or not a dominant team with AD & RW on the roster. Great viewing rooting for LBJ to lose.


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Lebron with Anthony Davis back lose to the Pelicans with perpetually injured Zion out. Media's emphasis on LBJ chasing Kareem's scoring. Nothing that LBJ doesn't elevate "journeyman" stiffs games like MJ did or not a dominant team with AD & RW on the roster. Great viewing rooting for LBJ to lose.


The East being the JV league helped him out tremendously all those years and he also benefited from playing with Hall of Fame players that played like Hall of Fame players at the time he teamed up with them.
He has been a flop from the moment he decided to take his "talents" to L.A. Bubble championship not withstanding.

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lmao dallas aint giving up dongledick and giannis aint gonna be a bull anytime soon.

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Chris Mannix was on Cowherd's podcast and said James Wiseman for Alex Caruso would work not just money wise, but the direction each team is going. I'd sign up for that.


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Chris Mannix was on Cowherd's podcast and said James Wiseman for Alex Caruso would work not just money wise, but the direction each team is going. I'd sign up for that.


why the hell would GS do that ?


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Chris Mannix was on Cowherd's podcast and said James Wiseman for Alex Caruso would work not just money wise, but the direction each team is going. I'd sign up for that.


I would as well. The Bulls are asking for a 1st round pick for him.

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Chris Mannix was on Cowherd's podcast and said James Wiseman for Alex Caruso would work not just money wise, but the direction each team is going. I'd sign up for that.


why the hell would GS do that ?


They want a defensive killer who has championship experience. Even Kerr said he'd love him. I don't know enough about Wiseman other than he's a 7 footer who Kerr doesn't play much.


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Stacey King claimed the Bulls wanted 2 first round picks for Caruso. No one is giving them that for Caruso. If it's Wiseman straight up for Caruso I'd roll with that.

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Stacey King claimed the Bulls wanted 2 first round picks for Caruso. No one is giving them that for Caruso. If it's Wiseman straight up for Caruso I'd roll with that.


I heard that too. That's definitely crazy talk. Even for Wiseman, I would feel like I robbed the Warriors.

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Stacey King claimed the Bulls wanted 2 first round picks for Caruso. No one is giving them that for Caruso. If it's Wiseman straight up for Caruso I'd roll with that.


I heard that too. That's definitely crazy talk. Even for Wiseman, I would feel like I robbed the Warriors.


Yeah I like Caruso but I think he is worth nothing more than a 2nd round pick or 2 at best.

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This dude has wanted out of every team he's been on. At some point in retirement he'll demand to be traded out of the HOF. Absolute clown.


If I remember right, he wanted out of Cleveland because he didn't want to play second fiddle. Not even second fiddle, but he felt by playing with a generational talent, he got no credit. He won a title there and could have qualified for several more had he stayed. He has won absolutely nothing since leaving - he had to realize he was always going to be a Robin. His arrogance cost him.

In Boston, there were chemistry and locker room issues, specifically with Terry Rozier. Hayward's season ended the very first game Kyrie was in a Celtics uniform. Tatum was a rookie and wasn't the Tatum we know today. And Kyrie ran into knee issues. His grandfather dying made him want to go home, especially if KD was already headed to Brooklyn. Also, he was a free agent. He did not ask to be traded like he did when he was in Cleveland. He literally was free to sign where ever he wanted. He left as a FA, yes, but my issue here is his failure to be a veteran leader in Boston. There was all kinds of drama that he was too petty to avoid or transcend. Boston hasn't missed him but would be better if he stayed, obviously.

Was it his right not to get vaccinated? Yes. If he were unvaccinated playing on any other team in the NBA, he would've been playing basketball. Unvaccinated Nets fans were in attendance each game and yet, Kyrie couldn't play. Man up and get your shot. Or do what Rodgers did and fake it. Do what you need to do to get on the court. You seem to see Kyrie as an innocent victim here whereas I see him as a fucking dumbass.

He's played all games this year (minus injury or rest). He wanted a new contract from Brooklyn and Brooklyn comes back with various stipulations like you have to win the Finals (according to Chris Haynes). So Kyrie said fuck you, I'll see myself out. The dude is shooting 48% from the field, 40% from 3, while averaging 30 points, 7 assists, and 6 rebounds over the last 10 games -- all without KD. He is playing well. Yet again he makes the wrong decision - they could have qualified for the Finals. Now he will share the court with someone who needs the ball as much as Irving does. Congrats. Work through your agent to resolve the contract issues. Leak stories to the press to strenghten your negotiating position. Who the hell demands a trade when you're playing as well as they are? It speaks to his lack of intelligence which is replaying itself over and over.

Did he say some weird shit the past couple years? Sure. Some of the shit would have never been a story had the antagonistic Nick Friedell not wanted to create some story that wasn't. Kyrie posted a 15 second clip of Alex Jones talking about secret societies and the New World Order. It's something a teenager would do. But Friedell had to make it out and seem like Kyrie was not only promoting anti-semetism, but he was anti-semetic himself. Rightly or wrongly there is a league-wide perception that Kyrie is sort of a loose cannon and unreliable. It hurt his trade value and it's not just about the film thing, it predates the film thing. The only person Kyrie has to blame for this perception is himself.

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This dude has wanted out of every team he's been on. At some point in retirement he'll demand to be traded out of the HOF. Absolute clown.


If I remember right, he wanted out of Cleveland because he didn't want to play second fiddle. Not even second fiddle, but he felt by playing with a generational talent, he got no credit. He won a title there and could have qualified for several more had he stayed. He has won absolutely nothing since leaving - he had to realize he was always going to be a Robin. His arrogance cost him.

In Boston, there were chemistry and locker room issues, specifically with Terry Rozier. Hayward's season ended the very first game Kyrie was in a Celtics uniform. Tatum was a rookie and wasn't the Tatum we know today. And Kyrie ran into knee issues. His grandfather dying made him want to go home, especially if KD was already headed to Brooklyn. Also, he was a free agent. He did not ask to be traded like he did when he was in Cleveland. He literally was free to sign where ever he wanted. He left as a FA, yes, but my issue here is his failure to be a veteran leader in Boston. There was all kinds of drama that he was too petty to avoid or transcend. Boston hasn't missed him but would be better if he stayed, obviously.

Was it his right not to get vaccinated? Yes. If he were unvaccinated playing on any other team in the NBA, he would've been playing basketball. Unvaccinated Nets fans were in attendance each game and yet, Kyrie couldn't play. Man up and get your shot. Or do what Rodgers did and fake it. Do what you need to do to get on the court. You seem to see Kyrie as an innocent victim here whereas I see him as a fucking dumbass.

He's played all games this year (minus injury or rest). He wanted a new contract from Brooklyn and Brooklyn comes back with various stipulations like you have to win the Finals (according to Chris Haynes). So Kyrie said fuck you, I'll see myself out. The dude is shooting 48% from the field, 40% from 3, while averaging 30 points, 7 assists, and 6 rebounds over the last 10 games -- all without KD. He is playing well. Yet again he makes the wrong decision - they could have qualified for the Finals. Now he will share the court with someone who needs the ball as much as Irving does. Congrats. Work through your agent to resolve the contract issues. Leak stories to the press to strenghten your negotiating position. Who the hell demands a trade when you're playing as well as they are? It speaks to his lack of intelligence which is replaying itself over and over.

Did he say some weird shit the past couple years? Sure. Some of the shit would have never been a story had the antagonistic Nick Friedell not wanted to create some story that wasn't. Kyrie posted a 15 second clip of Alex Jones talking about secret societies and the New World Order. It's something a teenager would do. But Friedell had to make it out and seem like Kyrie was not only promoting anti-semetism, but he was anti-semetic himself. Rightly or wrongly there is a league-wide perception that Kyrie is sort of a loose cannon and unreliable. It hurt his trade value and it's not just about the film thing, it predates the film thing. The only person Kyrie has to blame for this perception is himself.


Since Kyrie Irving left LeBron James he has one bubble tainted Championship and teams that are consistently worse than those Kyrie Irving happens to play for to show for it. Seems at this stage of the game LeBron needs Kyrie (as evidenced by your personal hatred of the guy) and Lebron's constant whining, a helluva lot more than Kyrie needs him.

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Dude, you've got to take your Ls more gracefully. You keep pivoting to other things - things that make you look even worse - because you've lost on Kyrie. Kyrie hasn't done jack shit from a team accomplishment perspective since leaving Cleveland. LeBron has won without him and the reverse isn't true. I told you Kyrie isn't a no 1 and that's true and would never win as a teams centerpiece and that's true. He should have remained a sidekick to LeBron and now he should have remained a sidekick to Durant. It's clear he doesn't care about rings because he's sabotaged every chance he had to win more.

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This dude has wanted out of every team he's been on. At some point in retirement he'll demand to be traded out of the HOF. Absolute clown.


If I remember right, he wanted out of Cleveland because he didn't want to play second fiddle. Not even second fiddle, but he felt by playing with a generational talent, he got no credit. He won a title there and could have qualified for several more had he stayed. He has won absolutely nothing since leaving - he had to realize he was always going to be a Robin. His arrogance cost him. Qualified? Sure, but they weren't taking down the Warriors after Durant joined in the summer of '16. I'm not so sure Kyrie cared about being Batman or Robin, I just think he didn't want to play under LeBron's shadow. You can think that's arrogance. I think it's refreshing.

In Boston, there were chemistry and locker room issues, specifically with Terry Rozier. Hayward's season ended the very first game Kyrie was in a Celtics uniform. Tatum was a rookie and wasn't the Tatum we know today. And Kyrie ran into knee issues. His grandfather dying made him want to go home, especially if KD was already headed to Brooklyn. Also, he was a free agent. He did not ask to be traded like he did when he was in Cleveland. He literally was free to sign where ever he wanted. He left as a FA, yes, but my issue here is his failure to be a veteran leader in Boston. There was all kinds of drama that he was too petty to avoid or transcend. Boston hasn't missed him but would be better if he stayed, obviously. I would have loved if he stayed with the Cetlics. That team/this team would've been so dope. Imagine a Kyrie-Tatum-Brown team? Shit. I'm not sure if he was a leader or not, I wasn't in the locker room. Again, he was a free agent. He decided to join Durant in Brooklyn, which was closer to home and what he wanted to ultimately do.

Was it his right not to get vaccinated? Yes. If he were unvaccinated playing on any other team in the NBA, he would've been playing basketball. Unvaccinated Nets fans were in attendance each game and yet, Kyrie couldn't play. Man up and get your shot. Or do what Rodgers did and fake it. Do what you need to do to get on the court. You seem to see Kyrie as an innocent victim here whereas I see him as a fucking dumbass. I tend to side with he makes too much damn money not to get that shot to play. But, it is interesting and ridiculous how he would have been playing for any other basketball team outside of NYC -- and the ridiculousness of unvaccinated Nets fans attending games, while Kyrie not being able to play.

He's played all games this year (minus injury or rest). He wanted a new contract from Brooklyn and Brooklyn comes back with various stipulations like you have to win the Finals (according to Chris Haynes). So Kyrie said fuck you, I'll see myself out. The dude is shooting 48% from the field, 40% from 3, while averaging 30 points, 7 assists, and 6 rebounds over the last 10 games -- all without KD. He is playing well. Yet again he makes the wrong decision - they could have qualified for the Finals. Now he will share the court with someone who needs the ball as much as Irving does. Congrats. Work through your agent to resolve the contract issues. Leak stories to the press to strenghten your negotiating position. Who the hell demands a trade when you're playing as well as they are? It speaks to his lack of intelligence which is replaying itself over and over. I don't believe the Nets had enough to go to the Finals. The Celtics and Bucks are better teams. He requested a trade because the Nets put dumbass stipulation(s) in his contract and he said I'm good, I want out.

Did he say some weird shit the past couple years? Sure. Some of the shit would have never been a story had the antagonistic Nick Friedell not wanted to create some story that wasn't. Kyrie posted a 15 second clip of Alex Jones talking about secret societies and the New World Order. It's something a teenager would do. But Friedell had to make it out and seem like Kyrie was not only promoting anti-semetism, but he was anti-semetic himself. Rightly or wrongly there is a league-wide perception that Kyrie is sort of a loose cannon and unreliable. It hurt his trade value and it's not just about the film thing, it predates the film thing. The only person Kyrie has to blame for this perception is himself. Sure, he's a loose cannon. I'm not so sure he's unreliable.


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