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He drove a vehicle dangerously. Many if not most young men do the same. They didn't die because of his driving. He fled because he's a scared kid and might have been a bit impaired himself. Death of a friend tends to sober a person up. I'd want to see if it has with him.

As far as it relates to the Bears, the plan is the same, trade out of #1 for the best offer wherever that may be.


He drove a vehicle "dangerously" and "might have been a bit impaired himself". And that's no big deal? Gtfo with that weak shit. I can only assume you're also supportive of reinstating Henry Ruggs after he roasted alive a girl and her dog.

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He drove a vehicle dangerously. Many if not most young men do the same. They didn't die because of his driving. He fled because he's a scared kid and might have been a bit impaired himself. Death of a friend tends to sober a person up. I'd want to see if it has with him.

As far as it relates to the Bears, the plan is the same, trade out of #1 for the best offer wherever that may be.


He drove a vehicle "dangerously" and "might have been a bit impaired himself". And that's no big deal? Gtfo with that weak shit. I can only assume you're also supportive of reinstating Henry Ruggs after he roasted alive a girl and her dog.

Don’t forget he fled the scene after watching his friends crash at 100mph. And lied to cops about it.

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He drove a vehicle dangerously. Many if not most young men do the same. They didn't die because of his driving. He fled because he's a scared kid and might have been a bit impaired himself. Death of a friend tends to sober a person up. I'd want to see if it has with him.

As far as it relates to the Bears, the plan is the same, trade out of #1 for the best offer wherever that may be.


He drove a vehicle "dangerously" and "might have been a bit impaired himself". And that's no big deal? Gtfo with that weak shit. I can only assume you're also supportive of reinstating Henry Ruggs after he roasted alive a girl and her dog.

Don’t forget he fled the scene after watching his friends crash at 100mph. And lied to cops about it.

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Okay. How long should CFMB ban him for? Life?

I don’t think he needs to be suspended for fleeing the scene of a drunken street race that led to the death of two people.

I just don’t want the Bears to draft him. They’re not good enough to take a flyer on a no-character guy. Let him go to the Raiders or wherever they embrace this sort of thing.

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Okay. How long should CFMB ban him for? Life?

I don’t think he needs to be suspended for fleeing the scene of a drunken street race that led to the death of two people.

I just don’t want the Bears to draft him. They’re not good enough to take a flyer on a no-character guy. Let him go to the Raiders or wherever they embrace this sort of thing.


Don’t be reasonable :lol:

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He drove a vehicle dangerously. Many if not most young men do the same. They didn't die because of his driving. He fled because he's a scared kid and might have been a bit impaired himself. Death of a friend tends to sober a person up. I'd want to see if it has with him.

As far as it relates to the Bears, the plan is the same, trade out of #1 for the best offer wherever that may be.


He drove a vehicle "dangerously" and "might have been a bit impaired himself". And that's no big deal? Gtfo with that weak shit. I can only assume you're also supportive of reinstating Henry Ruggs after he roasted alive a girl and her dog.


Henry Ruggs killed someone. Carter did not. He's not even accused of it. While similar in some ways, they are completely different. So go sell your crazy somewhere else.

and we don't know he was impaired. He's not accused of it. I only added that because the driver, who killed himself and everyone else was. Carter may have been completely clean. He's not guilty nor even accused of causing their deaths.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Okay. How long should CFMB ban him for? Life?

I don’t think he needs to be suspended for fleeing the scene of a drunken street race that led to the death of two people.

I just don’t want the Bears to draft him. They’re not good enough to take a flyer on a no-character guy. Let him go to the Raiders or wherever they embrace this sort of thing.


You don't know he was drunk and there's no accusation his driving lead to the death.

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He drove a vehicle dangerously. Many if not most young men do the same. They didn't die because of his driving. He fled because he's a scared kid and might have been a bit impaired himself. Death of a friend tends to sober a person up. I'd want to see if it has with him.

As far as it relates to the Bears, the plan is the same, trade out of #1 for the best offer wherever that may be.


He drove a vehicle "dangerously" and "might have been a bit impaired himself". And that's no big deal? Gtfo with that weak shit. I can only assume you're also supportive of reinstating Henry Ruggs after he roasted alive a girl and her dog.


Henry Ruggs killed someone. Carter did not. He's not even accused of it. While similar in some ways, they are completely different. So go sell your crazy somewhere else.

and we don't know he was impaired. He's not accused of it. I only added that because the driver, who killed himself and everyone else was. Carter may have been completely clean. He's not guilty nor even accused of causing their deaths.

If he were completely clean, you have a situation where a dead sober Jalen Carter chose to street race a guy who was hammered drunk (with several people in the car). That guy crashed, two people died, Carter fled and then lied about the whole thing.

At best he’s a coward with horrific judgment.

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Okay. How long should CFMB ban him for? Life?

I don’t think he needs to be suspended for fleeing the scene of a drunken street race that led to the death of two people.

I just don’t want the Bears to draft him. They’re not good enough to take a flyer on a no-character guy. Let him go to the Raiders or wherever they embrace this sort of thing.


You don't know he was drunk and there's no accusation his driving lead to the death.

I have a hard time believing a sober man gets into a 100mph street race with a guy who’s three times the legal limit at 3am.

He’s not at fault for the other guy being drunk and crashing. I’ll give him that much.

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 Post subject: Re: Jalen Carter
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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He drove a vehicle dangerously. Many if not most young men do the same. They didn't die because of his driving. He fled because he's a scared kid and might have been a bit impaired himself. Death of a friend tends to sober a person up. I'd want to see if it has with him.

As far as it relates to the Bears, the plan is the same, trade out of #1 for the best offer wherever that may be.


He drove a vehicle "dangerously" and "might have been a bit impaired himself". And that's no big deal? Gtfo with that weak shit. I can only assume you're also supportive of reinstating Henry Ruggs after he roasted alive a girl and her dog.


Henry Ruggs killed someone. Carter did not. He's not even accused of it. While similar in some ways, they are completely different. So go sell your crazy somewhere else.

and we don't know he was impaired. He's not accused of it. I only added that because the driver, who killed himself and everyone else was. Carter may have been completely clean. He's not guilty nor even accused of causing their deaths.

If he were completely clean, you have a situation where a dead sober Jalen Carter chose to street race a guy who was hammered drunk (with several people in the car). That guy crashed, two people died, Carter fled and then lied about the whole thing.

At best he’s a coward with horrific judgment.


You are trying to attach the guilt for someone else's action to him.

Carter fled. Scared kid and he did return. You act as if him leaving had anything to do with the tragedy. That fleeing isn't even going to stick as he did not flee from a crime he caused. So, legally, he drove dangerously and every single Bear with a fast car does that, unless you think they bought a fast car to drive 55.

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good dolphin wrote:
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He drove a vehicle dangerously. Many if not most young men do the same. They didn't die because of his driving. He fled because he's a scared kid and might have been a bit impaired himself. Death of a friend tends to sober a person up. I'd want to see if it has with him.

As far as it relates to the Bears, the plan is the same, trade out of #1 for the best offer wherever that may be.


He drove a vehicle "dangerously" and "might have been a bit impaired himself". And that's no big deal? Gtfo with that weak shit. I can only assume you're also supportive of reinstating Henry Ruggs after he roasted alive a girl and her dog.


Henry Ruggs killed someone. Carter did not. He's not even accused of it. While similar in some ways, they are completely different. So go sell your crazy somewhere else.

and we don't know he was impaired. He's not accused of it. I only added that because the driver, who killed himself and everyone else was. Carter may have been completely clean. He's not guilty nor even accused of causing their deaths.

If he were completely clean, you have a situation where a dead sober Jalen Carter chose to street race a guy who was hammered drunk (with several people in the car). That guy crashed, two people died, Carter fled and then lied about the whole thing.

At best he’s a coward with horrific judgment.


You are trying to attach the guilt for someone else's action to him.

Carter fled. Scared kid and he did return. You act as if him leaving had anything to do with the tragedy. That fleeing isn't even going to stick as he did not flee from a crime he caused. So, legally, he drove dangerously and every single Bear with a fast car does that, unless you think they bought a fast car to drive 55.

No, you’re inferring that for some reason. I don’t blame him for the girl driving drunk and killing herself & another. I blame Carter for horrible judgement and for running away while his friends were dead/dying with two others severely injured in the car.

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You have to question his TWTW. How can you trust a man who left his teammate to die?


Wasn't his teammate a backup at best?


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You have to question his TWTW. How can you trust a man who left his teammate to die?


Wasn't his teammate a backup at best?


It's still his "brother". They were close enough to hang out and race cars late at night.

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You have to question his TWTW. How can you trust a man who left his teammate to die?


This is what upsets me the most. His teammate is burning up and he just flees the scene to protect himself. Coward


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Man does the “ he was scared ” get a fuck ton of justification and excuse making for decisions made .

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Man does the “ he was scared ” get a fuck ton of justification and excuse making for decisions made .


its ok when its a cop

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Man does the “ he was scared ” get a fuck ton of justification and excuse making for decisions made .


its ok when its a cop


I'm not going down the racial road, but do you trust a guy like that to make a play in the trenches during an important game? I wouldn't.

Giving a man power and putting their back against a wall reveals just about everything you could want to know.

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He drove a vehicle dangerously. Many if not most young men do the same. They didn't die because of his driving. He fled because he's a scared kid and might have been a bit impaired himself. Death of a friend tends to sober a person up. I'd want to see if it has with him.

As far as it relates to the Bears, the plan is the same, trade out of #1 for the best offer wherever that may be.


He drove a vehicle "dangerously" and "might have been a bit impaired himself". And that's no big deal? Gtfo with that weak shit. I can only assume you're also supportive of reinstating Henry Ruggs after he roasted alive a girl and her dog.


Henry Ruggs killed someone. Carter did not. He's not even accused of it. While similar in some ways, they are completely different. So go sell your crazy somewhere else.

and we don't know he was impaired. He's not accused of it. I only added that because the driver, who killed himself and everyone else was. Carter may have been completely clean. He's not guilty nor even accused of causing their deaths.


If Carter isn't accused of impairment then I guess the flashlight is on you for suggesting you can excuse someone for driving at high speeds while drunk. :lol:

Listen, I just think there's virtually no difference between 1) shooting into a crowd while blindfolded and 2) driving drunk. You're discharging a weapon in both cases and should be held accountable for the mayhem you cause or potentially could have caused.

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He drove a vehicle dangerously. Many if not most young men do the same. They didn't die because of his driving. He fled because he's a scared kid and might have been a bit impaired himself. Death of a friend tends to sober a person up. I'd want to see if it has with him.

As far as it relates to the Bears, the plan is the same, trade out of #1 for the best offer wherever that may be.


He drove a vehicle "dangerously" and "might have been a bit impaired himself". And that's no big deal? Gtfo with that weak shit. I can only assume you're also supportive of reinstating Henry Ruggs after he roasted alive a girl and her dog.


Henry Ruggs killed someone. Carter did not. He's not even accused of it. While similar in some ways, they are completely different. So go sell your crazy somewhere else.

and we don't know he was impaired. He's not accused of it. I only added that because the driver, who killed himself and everyone else was. Carter may have been completely clean. He's not guilty nor even accused of causing their deaths.


If Carter isn't accused of impairment then I guess the flashlight is on you for suggesting you can excuse someone for driving at high speeds while drunk. :lol:

Listen, I just think there's virtually no difference between 1) shooting into a crowd while blindfolded and 2) driving drunk. You're discharging a weapon in both cases and should be held accountable for the mayhem you cause or potentially could have caused.

That’s a horrible comparison not even a dumbass kid is stupid enough like that with a gun. And I’m of the opinion that his lack of integrity drops him out of the first round. I wasn’t a fan in full disclosure anyway.

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badrogue17 wrote:
Man does the “ he was scared ” get a fuck ton of justification and excuse making for decisions made .


its ok when its a cop


I'm not going down the racial road, but do you trust a guy like that to make a play in the trenches during an important game? I wouldn't.

Giving a man power and putting their back against a wall reveals just about everything you could want to know.


Isn't "playing football" different than "hightailing it when you know the cops are showing up"? The latter is a dumb decision, and netted him 2 misdemeanor charges, but not sure how it applies to football. Fact is he is neither the first nor the last (race is completely irrelevant) kid to make that dumb decision. A dumbass kid down the street made a similar decision and got caught by the cops. Parents spent quite a few bucks getting him probation and the charges against him were far more serious.


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This happened on January 15th and they waited until a high profile date to publicly issue a warrant for two misdemeanors? Not to downplay the horrific loss of life, but something smells.

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Man does the “ he was scared ” get a fuck ton of justification and excuse making for decisions made .


its ok when its a cop


I'm not going down the racial road, but do you trust a guy like that to make a play in the trenches during an important game? I wouldn't.

Giving a man power and putting their back against a wall reveals just about everything you could want to know.


Isn't "playing football" different than "hightailing it when you know the cops are showing up"? The latter is a dumb decision, and netted him 2 misdemeanor charges, but not sure how it applies to football. Fact is he is neither the first nor the last (race is completely irrelevant) kid to make that dumb decision. A dumbass kid down the street made a similar decision and got caught by the cops. Parents spent quite a few bucks getting him probation and the charges against him were far more serious.


I'm not really bothered by him racing or possibly drinking. Leaving your friends to die is a far worse choice, IMO. Like being a rat, it's a lifetime scar. It also shines a light on your character.

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He drove a vehicle dangerously. Many if not most young men do the same. They didn't die because of his driving. He fled because he's a scared kid and might have been a bit impaired himself. Death of a friend tends to sober a person up. I'd want to see if it has with him.

As far as it relates to the Bears, the plan is the same, trade out of #1 for the best offer wherever that may be.


He drove a vehicle "dangerously" and "might have been a bit impaired himself". And that's no big deal? Gtfo with that weak shit. I can only assume you're also supportive of reinstating Henry Ruggs after he roasted alive a girl and her dog.


Henry Ruggs killed someone. Carter did not. He's not even accused of it. While similar in some ways, they are completely different. So go sell your crazy somewhere else.

and we don't know he was impaired. He's not accused of it. I only added that because the driver, who killed himself and everyone else was. Carter may have been completely clean. He's not guilty nor even accused of causing their deaths.


You would be singing a different tune if your son was the driver that died.

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This happened on January 15th and they waited until a high profile date to publicly issue a warrant for two misdemeanors? Not to downplay the horrific loss of life, but something smells.

He lied to the cops. I'm guessing that delayed the investigation.

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According to Paul Finebaum, his “involvement” has been common knowledge in Athens since the victory celebrations two days after the accident. And I guess that ESPN’s Todd McShay has been cryptically alluding to his “character issues” since then.

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According to Paul Finebaum, his “involvement” has been common knowledge in Athens since the victory celebrations two days after the accident. And I guess that ESPN’s Todd McShay has been cryptically alluding to his “character issues” since then.

Rumors around Athens about what might be common knowledge is a far cry from evidence sufficient to charge a crime. Do you want people to be charged with a crime based on common knowledge or probable cause? I prefer the latter myself.

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