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I don't want to wait for James Daniels to develop and then find out he's a guard. I have the money to spend.

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Bradbury is the best C. After seeing Mustipher get blown up, I would like an anchor in the middle.


I love this C group in this draft. That's where I want to get my starter.




Yep. If the Bears can land another early 2nd round pick C is where I want them to go.. Schmitz from Minn is they guy I’d like to see them grab (if he’s available)


Wypler from Ohio State is the current guy I'm looking at

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My free agent wishlist:

1. Garrett Bradbury
2. Orlando Brown or Mike McGlinchey
3. Yannick Ngakoue
4. Dalton Schultz
5. Tremaine Edwards
6. Jakobi Meyers
7. Kyzir White
8. Devin Bush
9. Larry Ogunjobi
10. Mack Hollins/Derek Watt



If you ask 49ers fans about McGlinchey, they will gladly drive him to the airport.


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My free agent wishlist:

1. Garrett Bradbury
2. Orlando Brown or Mike McGlinchey
3. Yannick Ngakoue
4. Dalton Schultz
5. Tremaine Edwards
6. Jakobi Meyers
7. Kyzir White
8. Devin Bush
9. Larry Ogunjobi
10. Mack Hollins/Derek Watt



If you ask 49ers fans about McGlinchey, they will gladly drive him to the airport.

They also think Brock Purdy is good.

McGlinchey is gigantic and a Domer - sign him!

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Caller Bob wrote:
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My free agent wishlist:

1. Garrett Bradbury
2. Orlando Brown or Mike McGlinchey
3. Yannick Ngakoue
4. Dalton Schultz
5. Tremaine Edwards
6. Jakobi Meyers
7. Kyzir White
8. Devin Bush
9. Larry Ogunjobi
10. Mack Hollins/Derek Watt



If you ask 49ers fans about McGlinchey, they will gladly drive him to the airport.


I agree Bob.

You can keep Orlando Brown as well. He ain't gonna be worth the cash he gets.

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My free agent wishlist:

1. Garrett Bradbury
2. Orlando Brown or Mike McGlinchey
3. Yannick Ngakoue
4. Dalton Schultz
5. Tremaine Edwards
6. Jakobi Meyers
7. Kyzir White
8. Devin Bush
9. Larry Ogunjobi
10. Mack Hollins/Derek Watt



If you ask 49ers fans about McGlinchey, they will gladly drive him to the airport.


I agree Bob.

You can keep Orlando Brown as well. He ain't gonna be worth the cash he gets.
Mully love Orlando Brown. He seems taken with anybody who has multiple Pro Bowls, despite their most recent history. He similarly slobbered over another Orlando several years ago (O Pace) which was an utter failure.

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Kaleb McGary(28) or Jawaan Taylor (25). Leaning toward more to Taylor didn't realize how young he is.


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Have to in knowing that signing guys with average NFL talent will upgrade every position on your offensive and defensive line.

Thinking more and more a quality veteran C would be a big help with making line calls, you must upgade the interior of both lines, it will cost you a ton of cap space, but you cannot fill every need with one draft class.


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Kaleb McGary(28) or Jawaan Taylor (25). Leaning toward more to Taylor didn't realize how young he is.

How often do teams let quality 25yr old offensive linemen hit free agency?

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Have to in knowing that signing guys with average NFL talent will upgrade every position on your offensive and defensive line.

Thinking more and more a quality veteran C would be a big help with making line calls, you must upgade the interior of both lines, it will cost you a ton of cap space, but you cannot fill every need with one draft class.



They did this last year with Lucas Patrick.. I think they’d be fine targeting guys like McGlinchy and Powers in free agency and drafting a guy like Schmitz.



What I don’t want to see if the Bears get a trade for the #1 pick is a veteran player added to the deal. I’d rather have the extra picks, and use free agency to get veterans. You shrink your draft potential and your free agent signing potential simultaneously by taking on a big name vet in a trade. It’s terrible value, and I’m interested to see if Poles understands that.

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Have to in knowing that signing guys with average NFL talent will upgrade every position on your offensive and defensive line.

Thinking more and more a quality veteran C would be a big help with making line calls, you must upgade the interior of both lines, it will cost you a ton of cap space, but you cannot fill every need with one draft class.



They did this last year with Lucas Patrick.. I think they’d be fine targeting guys like McGlinchy and Powers in free agency and drafting a guy like Schmitz.



What I don’t want to see if the Bears get a trade for the #1 pick is a veteran player added to the deal. I’d rather have the extra picks, and use free agency to get veterans. You shrink your draft potential and your free agent signing potential simultaneously by taking on a big name vet in a trade. It’s terrible value, and I’m interested to see if Poles understands that.


Lucas Patrick was maybe a backup guard, not a starting level NFL center when they signed him, a tick below a replacement level player.

A replacement level NFL center and guard, or at least guys who didn't get blown up and shoved back into your QB's face every down would be a massive improvement. Does appear they like the MN and TCU kid who are way bigger and more physical than Mustipher, and maybe Poles will take the KC way and draft a young dude, but being that both Poles and Cunningham see the o line as a key component they may go for a vet guy to stabilize the middle of the line, they obviously do not like Jenkins, and with his mysterious back injury history he is maybe a good depth guy.


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You will overpay in free agency most of the time. We have to understand that.

You know Orlando Brown is going to be no worse than a good LT and and all pro level RT and immediately be our best lineman. Alternatively the other people previously mentioned are pure RT. They will also immediately be our best lineman. That allows you to let Jones continue to grow at the LT position and gives you a really nice looking right side of the line with Jenkins.

Either way, the money doesn't bother me. These are appropriate positions to throw money at.

Get Jones to play NT and you have dramatically improved both your lines with plenty of money and a draft still left.

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Caller Bob wrote:
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My free agent wishlist:

1. Garrett Bradbury
2. Orlando Brown or Mike McGlinchey
3. Yannick Ngakoue
4. Dalton Schultz
5. Tremaine Edwards
6. Jakobi Meyers
7. Kyzir White
8. Devin Bush
9. Larry Ogunjobi
10. Mack Hollins/Derek Watt



If you ask 49ers fans about McGlinchey, they will gladly drive him to the airport.


The numbers say otherwise. He's still young, comes from a similar offense, and costs half of what we'll pay for Brown. The only issue is he is a RT. You have to believe Braxton is will continue to develop.

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My free agent wishlist:

1. Garrett Bradbury
2. Orlando Brown or Mike McGlinchey
3. Yannick Ngakoue
4. Dalton Schultz
5. Tremaine Edwards
6. Jakobi Meyers
7. Kyzir White
8. Devin Bush
9. Larry Ogunjobi
10. Mack Hollins/Derek Watt


remove Ogunjobi and put Dre'mont Jones as 1. That's the 3T Eberflus so desires for his defense and he fell into their lap.


No thanks. I'm not giving that guy $18M a year. I'll take my chances with a cheaper Ogunjobi and a draft pick.

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Brown is a luxury item coming off a bad year that would cost a shit load.. I’d rather grab 2 quality O-linemen like Powers from Baltimore and McGlinchey from San Fran than possibly overpay for 1 guy who might not be as good as he once was.


Jones the DT from Denver would be my other priority.


Also, all the targets should be in the age range of 25-27 with 28 being the oldest I would consider.. doesn’t make sense to chase players older than that.


Agreed with your point on targeting those players in that 25-27 range; OL is maybe a spot you can consider a little older, but, in general, would like to pay players for what's to come.

Very safe assumption that the Bears will add an OT, now just a question of how much they like Braxton Jones at LT. They have talked him up, next week they will let us know with more certainty.

I would like to improve the OL with both the draft and free agency. There are some quality center prospects in the draft so wouldn't be opposed to grab one, and it will be easier to take a center earlier if they have more picks (assuming they look to add more picks).

Is Whitehair going to be on the roster next season? Another guy where there seems to be lot of speculation on his future, but is still here. Not sure if he's a guy who would be cut now, after June 1, or the Bears want to bring him back as one of their OL veterans.

Depending on how they value Braxton Jones, Whitehair and Patrick (who should be, at best, competing for a starting spot, not given one), I would expect the Bears to add a minimum of 2 players that should be starting immediately - probably at C and RT, but that is fluid.


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Unless you are absolutely certain that Braxton Jones will be an elite LT, there is no reason not to pursue Brown. Guys like him rarely reach the market. Give him $120M over 5 years and move on to other needs.

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Unless you are absolutely certain that Braxton Jones will be an elite LT, there is no reason not to pursue Brown. Guys like him rarely reach the market. Give him $120M over 5 years and move on to other needs.


That's the question. The advanced metrics are fairly positive on Jones, but can he take the next step and become better than middle of the pack if he is allowed to grow at LT?


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Unless you are absolutely certain that Braxton Jones will be an elite LT, there is no reason not to pursue Brown. Guys like him rarely reach the market. Give him $120M over 5 years and move on to other needs.




And there’s usually a reason when they do hit the market. There’s a chance he may be busted out already, that’s a potentially salary cap killing deal you’re rolling dice on.


They can get two good vets for that price or cheaper.. and getting two good players goes a lot further than getting one.. especially for the money.

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Unless you are absolutely certain that Braxton Jones will be an elite LT, there is no reason not to pursue Brown. Guys like him rarely reach the market. Give him $120M over 5 years and move on to other needs.


is this john tait all over again? high valued FA ends up being a meh player? you dont F around with LT, why are chiefs letting him leave?


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Unless you are absolutely certain that Braxton Jones will be an elite LT, there is no reason not to pursue Brown. Guys like him rarely reach the market. Give him $120M over 5 years and move on to other needs.




And there’s usually a reason when they do hit the market. There’s a chance he may be busted out already, that’s a potentially salary cap killing deal you’re rolling dice on.


They can get two good vets for that price or cheaper.. and getting two good players goes a lot further than getting one.. especially for the money.


He was still a really good LT last year. There isn't a LT on the market that's better or will be better. If you think Braxton Jones will be that dude, I'm fine with getting a significantly cheaper RT. I think having Brown and Jones on the edges is a great start for Fields or his replacement.

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Unless you are absolutely certain that Braxton Jones will be an elite LT, there is no reason not to pursue Brown. Guys like him rarely reach the market. Give him $120M over 5 years and move on to other needs.


is this john tait all over again? high valued FA ends up being a meh player? you dont F around with LT, why are chiefs letting him leave?


He's better than Tait. The Chiefs have a lot of cap issues. I think they still want him.

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John Tait fell off quickly, but he was a beast when the Bears went to the Super Bowl. They had a really good OLine in 2005-06.






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Nas wrote:
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Unless you are absolutely certain that Braxton Jones will be an elite LT, there is no reason not to pursue Brown. Guys like him rarely reach the market. Give him $120M over 5 years and move on to other needs.




And there’s usually a reason when they do hit the market. There’s a chance he may be busted out already, that’s a potentially salary cap killing deal you’re rolling dice on.


They can get two good vets for that price or cheaper.. and getting two good players goes a lot further than getting one.. especially for the money.


He was still a really good LT last year. There isn't a LT on the market that's better or will be better. If you think Braxton Jones will be that dude, I'm fine with getting a significantly cheaper RT. I think having Brown and Jones on the edges is a great start for Fields or his replacement.


We'll soon see how Poles values Braxton Jones. I think Jones is going to be a starting player on the Bears next year, but will it be at LT?

I'm still expecting them to add 2 OL in free agency on one in the draft, but there are so many moving parts here, it's hard to know what they will target specifically. I think the only guy who is locked is in Jenkins at RG next season. Everything else could change.


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Unless you are absolutely certain that Braxton Jones will be an elite LT, there is no reason not to pursue Brown. Guys like him rarely reach the market. Give him $120M over 5 years and move on to other needs.




And there’s usually a reason when they do hit the market. There’s a chance he may be busted out already, that’s a potentially salary cap killing deal you’re rolling dice on.


They can get two good vets for that price or cheaper.. and getting two good players goes a lot further than getting one.. especially for the money.


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Unless you are absolutely certain that Braxton Jones will be an elite LT, there is no reason not to pursue Brown. Guys like him rarely reach the market. Give him $120M over 5 years and move on to other needs.




And there’s usually a reason when they do hit the market. There’s a chance he may be busted out already, that’s a potentially salary cap killing deal you’re rolling dice on.


They can get two good vets for that price or cheaper.. and getting two good players goes a lot further than getting one.. especially for the money.


He was still a really good LT last year. There isn't a LT on the market that's better or will be better. If you think Braxton Jones will be that dude, I'm fine with getting a significantly cheaper RT. I think having Brown and Jones on the edges is a great start for Fields or his replacement.


We'll soon see how Poles values Braxton Jones. I think Jones is going to be a starting player on the Bears next year, but will it be at LT?

I'm still expecting them to add 2 OL in free agency on one in the draft, but there are so many moving parts here, it's hard to know what they will target specifically. I think the only guy who is locked is in Jenkins at RG next season. Everything else could change.


We'll definitely see what's real and what's been fake. I'm not positive Jenkins has a spot locked up due to his injury history. I wouldn't be shocked if Jones was the only returning starter.

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Unless you are absolutely certain that Braxton Jones will be an elite LT, there is no reason not to pursue Brown. Guys like him rarely reach the market. Give him $120M over 5 years and move on to other needs.




And there’s usually a reason when they do hit the market. There’s a chance he may be busted out already, that’s a potentially salary cap killing deal you’re rolling dice on.


They can get two good vets for that price or cheaper.. and getting two good players goes a lot further than getting one.. especially for the money.


He was still a really good LT last year. There isn't a LT on the market that's better or will be better. If you think Braxton Jones will be that dude, I'm fine with getting a significantly cheaper RT. I think having Brown and Jones on the edges is a great start for Fields or his replacement.
But that isn't really true. I'm not going to claim to have watched him much, but numerous experts have gone on record as saying he was very average last year.

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Unless you are absolutely certain that Braxton Jones will be an elite LT, there is no reason not to pursue Brown. Guys like him rarely reach the market. Give him $120M over 5 years and move on to other needs.




And there’s usually a reason when they do hit the market. There’s a chance he may be busted out already, that’s a potentially salary cap killing deal you’re rolling dice on.


They can get two good vets for that price or cheaper.. and getting two good players goes a lot further than getting one.. especially for the money.


He was still a really good LT last year. There isn't a LT on the market that's better or will be better. If you think Braxton Jones will be that dude, I'm fine with getting a significantly cheaper RT. I think having Brown and Jones on the edges is a great start for Fields or his replacement.
But that isn't really true. I'm not going to claim to have watched him much, but numerous experts have gone on record as saying he was very average last year.


PFF? Pure stats? What analysis says he wasn't good last year?

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Jenkins was solid at times last year, at least he could hold the point of attack, he looked good compared to Mustipher and Schofield, but Caller Bob could likely drop his anchor and bow up against a bull rush better than our center did last year. Just watched parts of the Atlanta game from last year and those guys got beat on almost every play.


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Just read a ‘rumor’ that the Bears are going to target.. 30 plus year old Javon Hargrave in free agency as a top priority. If this is true, they have no fucking idea what they’re doing. You don’t start a complete rebuild with older players.


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Just read a ‘rumor’ that the Bears are going to target.. 30 plus year old Javon Hargrave in free agency as a top priority. If this is true, they have no fucking idea what they’re doing. You don’t start a complete rebuild with older players.


Fuck, I need to stay away from these ‘news’ stories


Depending on the contract, I'm cool with it. It's a bridge to the future if you can't sign or draft a better option.

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