Depending on the contract, I'm cool with it. It's a bridge to the future if you can't sign or draft a better option.

I have a problem with it when the draft is loaded with D-line talent and a good younger option is out there in Denver’s Jones.



Hargrave is a piece you add when you’re last years Rams and you’re ‘one player away’.. a DT on the wrong side of 30 that you’re going to have to pay is dumb. Any older player in this situation like that is dumb, you just got done tearing this thing down to the studs for a complete rebuild.


To me it would be a sign that the plan they have isn’t a good one and they have no idea what they’re doing. A ‘bridge’ player is cheap, and holding a spot for another player you’re developing.. Hargrave is one of the better DT’s in the league but he’s older, he’s not going to be cheap.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

I have a problem with it when the draft is loaded with D-line talent and a good younger option is out there in Denver’s Jones.



Hargrave is a piece you add when you’re last years Rams and you’re ‘one player away’.. a DT on the wrong side of 30 that you’re going to have to pay is dumb. Any older player in this situation like that is dumb, you just got done tearing this thing down to the studs for a complete rebuild.


To me it would be a sign that the plan they have isn’t a good one and they have no idea what they’re doing. A ‘bridge’ player is cheap, and holding a spot for another player you’re developing.. Hargrave is one of the better DT’s in the league but he’s older, he’s not going to be cheap.

... guys like Parkins... don't know anything about football.

I have a problem with it when the draft is loaded with D-line talent and a good younger option is out there in Denver’s Jones.



Hargrave is a piece you add when you’re last years Rams and you’re ‘one player away’.. a DT on the wrong side of 30 that you’re going to have to pay is dumb. Any older player in this situation like that is dumb, you just got done tearing this thing down to the studs for a complete rebuild.


To me it would be a sign that the plan they have isn’t a good one and they have no idea what they’re doing. A ‘bridge’ player is cheap, and holding a spot for another player you’re developing.. Hargrave is one of the better DT’s in the league but he’s older, he’s not going to be cheap.

Because you are stupid, maybe read some books educate yourself.

We walk, talk, and won't shit our pants

Bernstein suggesting there’s a lot of smoke around McGlinchey

Always interesting to read the stuff here, reminds me of listening to guys like Parkins who just watch the QB and WR because they don't know anything about football.

You need bullies on your D line, guys that require double teams to move, occupy the oline so the linebackers can hit gaps and make tackles.

Go back and watch the Raiders game in London where the nasty Raiders o line began the end of Golman's career by bitch slapping him around all game long and pancake the LBs which turned the pretty speedy LB known as Roquan into a timid player who ran around plays allowing the Raiders to beat the favored Bears.

The odd GM known as Ryan Pace guaranteed his successor would have to overpay to find quality vets to fill the spots he ignored in the draft, so yes you will have to drastically overpay for defensive and offensive lineman to upgrade your roster while your draft picks develop, but that is the reality you find yourself in today, and productive young players do not usually make it to free agency, so teams that draft poorly end up in this exact same predictament.

If Poles had "overpaid" for a #2 WR like Zay Jones or Christian Kirk then perhaps he wouldn't have been pressured into giving up a first rounder for Chase Claypool.

He didn't give up a first round pick.

Are you actually actively calling for overpaying players during a strip down rebuild while simultaneously questioning other peoples ‘football knowledge’?


I have no idea who this is directed at because you don’t seem to be fond of the quote function here.. but neither Nas nor myself is advocating for bypassing on good veteran players to help with the rebuild. We do seem to disagree on our choice of who to spend that money on. I prefer to go with the good player who is entering his prime while Nas prefers the player who may be on his way out of his prime but is still good atm.


As for overpaying. I disagree with you strictly based off the fact that the Bears should have both good players available to them in the draft, and at fair market value in free agency (depending on how they decide to build these lines). I don’t think ‘overpaying’ is necessary due to the resources available tho. Overpaying is a mistake for a rebuild.

If Poles had "overpaid" for a #2 WR like Zay Jones or Christian Kirk then perhaps he wouldn't have been pressured into giving up a first rounder for Chase Claypool.

This is why you are beloved.

I'd rather overpay via money than overpay with valuable draft capital

Actually I prefer Christian Kirk(Zay Jones season was a bit fluky, I admit) but I think I am on record last year saying the Bears should sign Kirk. Kirk isn't a world beater, but neither is Claypool. BTW, after next season the Jags can cut Kirk and basically be scot free of that contract, good luck getting the #32 overall pick back.

I'm just trying to play devil's advocate to the notion that you never overpay in Free Agency. I mean of all the major sports, a football contract is the easiest one to recover from. Unless you do something dumb like Cleveland did with the sex offender. It's possible overpaying a bit for Javon Hargrave is way better than taking a three tech way too early in this draft.

If Poles had "overpaid" for a #2 WR like Zay Jones or Christian Kirk then perhaps he wouldn't have been pressured into giving up a first rounder for Chase Claypool.

My issue is with the fundamental misunderstanding of the value that a quality DT brings to a team.

It is obviously incredibly difficult to find difference makers at the DT position because teams do not want to let them go and why would you, they impact the line of scrimmage when they are in the game.

This is a glaring position of need for the team and would rather overpay for a DT than for another #2 WR.

Fairly obvious that most just watch the skill position players and have no idea that the game is won and lost at the line of scrimmage. Do yourself a favor and go back and watch the Bears DT's, how they get turned and pushed out of gaps, and then watch Hargrave come off the ball low, get leverage on the guard and either close off the inside run gap, or get quick inside pressure on the QB. How do you think a player like that would impact the Bears woeful defense?

He likely gives you 2-3 good years which allows you to develop your draft picks and lets your LB's flow to the ball because there is no way the guard is getting to the second level if they are worried about a guy like Hargrave.

There you go, a simple explanation of why you would overpay for a guy like this who impacts the game on every snap.

Are you actually actively calling for overpaying players during a strip down rebuild while simultaneously questioning other peoples ‘football knowledge’?


I have no idea who this is directed at because you don’t seem to be fond of the quote function here.. but neither Nas nor myself is advocating for bypassing on good veteran players to help with the rebuild. We do seem to disagree on our choice of who to spend that money on. I prefer to go with the good player who is entering his prime while Nas prefers the player who may be on his way out of his prime but is still good atm.


As for overpaying. I disagree with you strictly based off the fact that the Bears should have both good players available to them in the draft, and at fair market value in free agency (depending on how they decide to build these lines). I don’t think ‘overpaying’ is necessary due to the resources available tho. Overpaying is a mistake for a rebuild.

Any interest?

Any interest?

why would a 30 year old hargrave even want to play here if someone else is in the ballpark with money?

He wouldn't be the guy whose door I was at at 12:01 of the first day but maybe if the draft doesn't break their way and the terms are reasonable, you add him.