I would take Moore over a lottery ticket 3 drafts in the future. He'll only be 28, and he'll still be under contract for about $12M. I wouldn't take Moore over the 2024 draft. That looks like a special top 10 draft.

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I hear you. I like Moore too. Just from an ammunition point of view, if it's trade time for a higher pick next year or whatever, I think "2025 first round pick" carries more weight than Moore, even tho again I like Moore.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Moore will never see the end of that contract. If he’s as good as he’s been recently next year, he’s a holdout without a new deal heading into ‘24.

Book it.

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I thought the Bears would end up at 9, because there's no way the Panthers owner could replace a successful interim in Steve Wilks with a iffy "QB whisperer" in Frank Reich and not move up from 9 to at least 4. And if Reich insists on moving to 1, the owner pretty much has to let him, it's something that was almost definitely discussed during the job interview.

I did think that the Bears were going to make two trades, though. Indy or Houston first. My uneducated guess is that the combination of Bryce Young's physicals being similar to Kyler Murray, the possibility of Houston signing Jimmy G to tank for another year for that consensus 1.1 next year, and Jalen Carter's mishaps.... time to take the sure thing from the known mark.

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I hope the Lions don't luck into Will Anderson.

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I'm sure even Poles wishes he could have that Claypool trade back now

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Because they traded too far back to land a guy like (Anderson) for example.


It’s a negative because you exchanged a future 1st round pick (according to rumors anyway) for a veteran in the trade. It’s also a negative because you’re paying him (20 million I believe) this year so that’s 20 million off the books you can’t spend in FA now. So basically, you pass on 2 players for the price of one. And as Antioch mentions, Moore is also most likely a season off from being a holdout.


Poles has given the team 1 quality WR in Moore so far. He didn’t draft Mooney, and we have no idea how the Claypool trade or Velus draft pick works out.


I believe in building thru the draft, I believe his desperation (my opinion) lead to him losing out on making deals that would have allotted him more and better picks both now and in the future to do that with. That’s my take, I get that I can’t prove it (like the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky Trade).. but I will never believe that over a month and a half or so out from the draft he couldn’t have got better offers than this had he let more time pass, allowed pro days to come and go and so on.


My theory is his ‘no ones gonna push me to do this I’ll do it when I’m ready’ was nothing more than projecting strength to cover weakness. He didn’t hear much from Houston or Indy because they were being patient and sitting on the pro days, and playing the game themselves.. so after all that week long pub and not getting much out of those teams he blinked 1st. It’s just a theory tho, who knows what actually happened, but that what I’ve got.

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"Swami Bob"

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I never said for a first round pick

He’s gone woke!

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I also thought he was trying to project strength and was panicking because there wasn't a significant market for the pick. That being said, we won't agree on Moore. I'm also fine with how he's building the team. I'll have a better feel after free agency.

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I can’t for the life of me understand how any bears fan can be unhappy with this trade.

Some people simply roll out of bed looking for something to be pissed off about.

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It’s mostly the unknowable - did he get itchy and jump the gun? Who else was interested in trading and what do their picks look like relative to the Panthers late 2nd? I think Moore is very good but he’s taking the place of a much less expensive future 1st. To me that’s not a slam dunk for this Bears team.

Add to that, dropping to 9 in a draft Poles thinks has 6-8 studs. Who knows how many QBs were in that 6-8?

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More so the later you’re picking.

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Pretty well said.



On my end I’d say I’m more underwhelmed than completely unhappy. He could have got more (again, my opinion).. but he did get something.


In any event I’ll have this behind me and move on to concentrating on what they do in free agency. I’m hoping they get at least 1 top tier O-lineman and one top tier D-lineman.. with further hopes for 2 good O-lineman. Bottom line is I’d like to see them fix the O-line this off-season and I think they can do that in both FA and the draft.. if they choose wisely

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Pretty sure there have been a few players drafted outside of the top five, top ten, and out of the first round that are in Canton.

I get you increase your odds of a stud in the top 5, but even then it's unknowable.

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I don’t know, for the cost of 8 draft positions (4 of which are likely qbs they wouldn't have taken anyway) you got back 3 high-quality draft picks and a very good wide receiver. That’s a great haul. I guess it isn't if you fancied the mystical draft scenarios floated around here.

I’ll be keeping an eye on what other teams do trade wise (like AZ) and what their compensation is.. there was a tweet floated after the Bears trade that Carolina is also open to trading the pick.. personally I don see that happening unless it’s just to move down a slot with Houston.. any further back and they’d risk losing the reason they traded up.


But.. if they trade pack with Houston.. and someone comes up for Arizona’s pick.. I think that goes some distance into showing us that the ‘double trade back’ was a legit possibility.


We’ll see.

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I dont get the idea of trading down. You trade a really good WR and picks to go up to 1 and then you want to go back down? Seems like outthinking yourself.

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Houston trading additional draft capital to move up one spot to draft any of these qb’s should be a fireable offense. They are guaranteed one of these qbs without doing a thing. Carolina is going to trade down to recoup the ransom they just traded to get the pick in the first place? I dont see it, at least now they get the qb of their choice.

I agree. If 100% healthy, he is a sure #1 receiver. He would be the likely the 1st receiver taken in the coming draft basically. Poles treated this just like he took Claypool instead of a #2 draft pick we will see if he chose correctly.

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Who do you think they will get with the #9 pick? I gotta think that they will go with the best available on defense. Maybe the best DT or LB/Edge rusher? I see them going OT in free agency?

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With the big iron on his hip

As bad as the movie Draft Day was, it is fun remembering the interplay between Costner and the other GMs and its intrigue? This stuff with Poles and guessing what games other teams are playing is fun.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

At 9 it’s tougher to say.. I’d like to see them go defense there but only with certain guys (like Wilson or maybe Van Ness).. but offensive line might be the play there too. I really need to see where they go in FA now to have a better opinion here tbh


Dark horse pick (for fun): Bijan Robinson at 9

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I’m hoping they go defense, preferably line depending what happens ahead of them.

I saw a post-trade mock with the Oregon corner at 9. Not sure I’d love that.

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I dont see a way you can convince me that with the draft board I have looked at that CB will be the best available at 9. I say it has to be OL or DL.

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