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I don’t see more than 1 big move left in FA.. whichever direction that goes (OL or DL) will tell you where they go with the 9th pick imo.


I don’t see them spending all the money this year so it’s 1 more big move and theyre done (outside of filling out the roster types)


I'm confused by the positions he prioritized but I do see coherence in his approach.


Their linebacker play last year was horrible. And was a modest strength of the free agency class.

Really good backers coming into their prime. And the middle of the field will no longer be wide open all game on passing downs.


Sure, but we are sitting here without a single starting level defensive lineman and a draft position that suggests ol in the first. If I'm triaging, dl is the hierarchy.

but again, his signings really screamed "not next year"...signing young guys they will need down the line to long deals.

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Yes, but you have to look at the remaining teams with

A need for a tackle, and willing to pay a high price
Cap space to logically pull it off

Any team with already a tackle making close to 20 a year is eliminated. Who is left? For instance I don't think anyone in the NFC North outside of the Bears needs a tackle.


The Chiefs still want him and the Falcons may still have room. I'll have to look at the list. There aren't many teams with that kind of room.

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How could the Chiefs still add him with everything else they are paying?

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How could the Chiefs still add him with everything else they are paying?


You're right; they can't. They only have $9M in cap space left.

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Brown's in an interesting position. I think he thought he'd be signed by noon yesterday.

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good dolphin wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
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I don’t see more than 1 big move left in FA.. whichever direction that goes (OL or DL) will tell you where they go with the 9th pick imo.


I don’t see them spending all the money this year so it’s 1 more big move and theyre done (outside of filling out the roster types)


I'm confused by the positions he prioritized but I do see coherence in his approach.


Their linebacker play last year was horrible. And was a modest strength of the free agency class.

Really good backers coming into their prime. And the middle of the field will no longer be wide open all game on passing downs.


Sure, but we are sitting here without a single starting level defensive lineman and a draft position that suggests ol in the first. If I'm triaging, dl is the hierarchy.

but again, his signings really screamed "not next year"...signing young guys they will need down the line to long deals.


Walker is a starter next year.

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Nas wrote:
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I don’t see more than 1 big move left in FA.. whichever direction that goes (OL or DL) will tell you where they go with the 9th pick imo.


I don’t see them spending all the money this year so it’s 1 more big move and theyre done (outside of filling out the roster types)


I'm confused by the positions he prioritized but I do see coherence in his approach.


Their linebacker play last year was horrible. And was a modest strength of the free agency class.

Really good backers coming into their prime. And the middle of the field will no longer be wide open all game on passing downs.


Sure, but we are sitting here without a single starting level defensive lineman and a draft position that suggests ol in the first. If I'm triaging, dl is the hierarchy.

but again, his signings really screamed "not next year"...signing young guys they will need down the line to long deals.


Walker is a starter next year.


Not for a serious team, he isn't.

We are now in "let's at least try to be average on the line" mode

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Yes, but you have to look at the remaining teams with

A need for a tackle, and willing to pay a high price
Cap space to logically pull it off

Any team with already a tackle making close to 20 a year is eliminated. Who is left? For instance I don't think anyone in the NFC North outside of the Bears needs a tackle.


The Chiefs still want him and the Falcons may still have room. I'll have to look at the list. There aren't many teams with that kind of room.


The Bengals and Falcons appear to be our primary competition.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2023/

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I don’t see more than 1 big move left in FA.. whichever direction that goes (OL or DL) will tell you where they go with the 9th pick imo.


I don’t see them spending all the money this year so it’s 1 more big move and theyre done (outside of filling out the roster types)


I'm confused by the positions he prioritized but I do see coherence in his approach.


Their linebacker play last year was horrible. And was a modest strength of the free agency class.

Really good backers coming into their prime. And the middle of the field will no longer be wide open all game on passing downs.


Sure, but we are sitting here without a single starting level defensive lineman and a draft position that suggests ol in the first. If I'm triaging, dl is the hierarchy.

but again, his signings really screamed "not next year"...signing young guys they will need down the line to long deals.


Walker is a starter next year.


Not for a serious team, he isn't.


I believe Poles expects a kid like Robinson to take another step in his development.

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Robinson had once nice game last year, outside of that he was absolutely terrible. You can't count on him.


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I'm sure Robinson will take another step in his development this year.

The problem is that he needs to take five steps in his development to be any good.

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good dolphin wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
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I don’t see more than 1 big move left in FA.. whichever direction that goes (OL or DL) will tell you where they go with the 9th pick imo.


I don’t see them spending all the money this year so it’s 1 more big move and theyre done (outside of filling out the roster types)


I'm confused by the positions he prioritized but I do see coherence in his approach.


Their linebacker play last year was horrible. And was a modest strength of the free agency class.

Really good backers coming into their prime. And the middle of the field will no longer be wide open all game on passing downs.


Sure, but we are sitting here without a single starting level defensive lineman and a draft position that suggests ol in the first. If I'm triaging, dl is the hierarchy.

but again, his signings really screamed "not next year"...signing young guys they will need down the line to long deals.


Jones is a starting level DT.

And I like Gervon Dexter in rd 3 as a run stopper.

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Nas wrote:
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How could the Chiefs still add him with everything else they are paying?


You're right; they can't. They only have $9M in cap space left.


I wouldn't be surprised if Mahomes didn't restructure his contract?

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Nas wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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I don’t see more than 1 big move left in FA.. whichever direction that goes (OL or DL) will tell you where they go with the 9th pick imo.


I don’t see them spending all the money this year so it’s 1 more big move and theyre done (outside of filling out the roster types)


I'm confused by the positions he prioritized but I do see coherence in his approach.


Their linebacker play last year was horrible. And was a modest strength of the free agency class.

Really good backers coming into their prime. And the middle of the field will no longer be wide open all game on passing downs.


Sure, but we are sitting here without a single starting level defensive lineman and a draft position that suggests ol in the first. If I'm triaging, dl is the hierarchy.

but again, his signings really screamed "not next year"...signing young guys they will need down the line to long deals.


Walker is a starter next year.


Honestly didn't remember much about Walker, watched some of the Denver/Titans game from last year, and he looked good, some good inside quickness, looks to be more of an inside pass rush guy in a rotation, reminded me of Roy Robertson-Harris who grew into a starting role.

The guy that stood out was Nate Davis, he handled Dre'mont Jones easily, looks like a perfect fit in a zone run offense, a mobile and quick guard.

Read some Titans board stuff and apparently Vrabel "hated" Davis because he had injury issues, the fandom was not happy they let him go.


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good dolphin wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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I don’t see more than 1 big move left in FA.. whichever direction that goes (OL or DL) will tell you where they go with the 9th pick imo.


I don’t see them spending all the money this year so it’s 1 more big move and theyre done (outside of filling out the roster types)


I'm confused by the positions he prioritized but I do see coherence in his approach.


Their linebacker play last year was horrible. And was a modest strength of the free agency class.

Really good backers coming into their prime. And the middle of the field will no longer be wide open all game on passing downs.


Sure, but we are sitting here without a single starting level defensive lineman and a draft position that suggests ol in the first. If I'm triaging, dl is the hierarchy.

but again, his signings really screamed "not next year"...signing young guys they will need down the line to long deals.

They have to focus on the O-Line first. If they go 5-12 next year but lose most of the games 35-28, then at least Fields can function with a supporting cast. If the offense is still flakey and Fields can't even get to 3500 passing yards with all the improvements around him, then they know they need to go get a better QB.

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Seeing stuff about moving Whitehair back to center, not sure that makes sense, far more likely he's cut and you go with a rookie center who would be much cheaper and fills a starting position for the next five years.

You could go into next year and let Jenkins, Borom, and Leatherwood compete for a starting guard spot, still think your signing or drafting an OT.

Two of your three picks in the first two rounds are likely defensive line.

Will be hard to pass Skoronski up if he is there, looking at several scouting services and all have him as an instant starter with perennial Pro Bowl ability, one even has him as the #3 overall prospect. Definitely a range of opinions on the centers, but most have Avila, Schmitz, and Wypler with 2nd or 3rd round grades, and you have a glaring need at that position, so you almost have to try to get the top guy on your board.


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Gabriel seems to think the Bears will trade back as far as #20 because Poles thinks the strength of the draft is between #20 and #50.. I don’t agree with this philosophy but that’s what I’m reading.



Bears need an impact player.. right now only Moore is the 1 guy you can point to as a difference maker and Fields if you count his legs. #9 should still allow you to draft a difference maker.. the further back you go, the odds change

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Gabriel seems to think the Bears will trade back as far as #20 because Poles thinks the strength of the draft is between #20 and #50.. I don’t agree with this philosophy but that’s what I’m reading.



Bears need an impact player.. right now only Moore is the 1 guy you can point to as a difference maker and Fields if you count his legs. #9 should still allow you to draft a difference maker.. the further back you go, the odds change

What, you didn't like Michael Haynes and Stan Thomas??

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It seems pretty clear the Lions will take Carter, so you don't have that to worry about.

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It seems pretty clear the Lions will take Carter, so you don't have that to worry about.


Vin Diesel might swoop in and pick him up first. Carter strikes him as the next Paul Walker.

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It seems pretty clear the Lions will take Carter, so you don't have that to worry about.


Vin Diesel might swoop in and pick him up first. Carter strikes him as the next Paul Walker.


I'm thinking Carter goes to Arizona, Detroit takes that CB from Oregon Gonzalez then they take an edge rusher the best pick.

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If he goes defense it would be whoever slides down to nine, Tyree Wilson or Van Ness, wonder if he finds Skoronski too good to pass up, if they go offense you could see 2 of the 3 picks they have between 53 and 64 be D-line.

If one of the QB's somehow slides down your on the phone with Washington trying to pick up extra picks, but that seems unlikely, also could be a Pace type out there that falls in love with a guy and wants to move up a few spots you can fleece for an extra pick or two.

There will be quality players that are cut and you Poles is surely talking with teams up against the cap to see if they will take a late round pick for a high cap hit guy, still plenty work to do in FA.


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Reading some stuff on the Northwestern pro day that the Bears were at. Very possible that the Bears come away with 2 NW guys with first 2 picks.

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Reading some stuff on the Northwestern pro day that the Bears were at. Very possible that the Bears come away with 2 NW guys with first 2 picks.


The kid who had a great senior bowl and combine?

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Reading some stuff on the Northwestern pro day that the Bears were at. Very possible that the Bears come away with 2 NW guys with first 2 picks.


The kid who had a great senior bowl and combine?

Yeah DL guy with a crazy name.

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Reading some stuff on the Northwestern pro day that the Bears were at. Very possible that the Bears come away with 2 NW guys with first 2 picks.


The kid who had a great senior bowl and combine?

Yeah DL guy with a crazy name.




Skoronski would be fine at 9 but the DT might be a mistake at #2.. Adebawore might have had his jumping out of a pool moment with his 40 time at the combine. They’d have to be absolutely sure on that one because I haven’t seen him mocked that high by any scouts based on his tape.


Could be a ‘smartest guy in the room’ move in that round

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