The Bears' offense and offensive line talent are better than they were when Poles arrived. The Bears' defensive talent is better than it was when Poles arrived. All of this is true before he makes 1 pick in the draft. Why does this anger you?

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O and D? I'd say no less than 2 are on the lines.

but with the revelation that Whitehair will be playing center, this line stacks up pretty well. People act like its some unthinkable move but he has 50+ NFL starts at center. If Davis is the absolute home run scheme fit they say he is, this is a competent group with the high drafting of a RT

LT- Jones
LG- Jenkins
C- Whitehair
RG- Davis
RT- Paris Johnson

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Whitehair had that Kreutz issue with shotgun snaps. He's probably going to get cut after the draft.

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That’s obviously not true and I think you’re aware of that.

It’s not anger, it’s objectivity. If you’re the type who thinks this d line has better talent than a line that had guys like Khalil Mack and Robert Quinn, I have to assume you’re coming from a place of emotional attachment to a team you like.

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It is absolutely true. The Bears have far more talent on offense and defense than they had when Poles arrived. If you insist, I'm willing to pull up the rosters.

I made no mention of the Bears' defensive line. That said, Quinn and Hicks are no longer NFL players, and Mack hasn't been elite since Week 11 or so of 2018. Goldman retired because he never loved football.

You're demanding perfection after a calendar year. It's ridiculous.

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Yeah I misread your line comment. My bad there. I disagree they have more talent on defense but I’ve said since last year pre-Moore that I like the skill guys. I think the offense has a lot of talent on the outside.

I’m not demanding perfection. I’m suggesting that the Bears have a lot of work to do on the lines. You’re defending Poles the way a parent defends a child, treating any critique as apostasy.

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Yep, and Spiegal made me vomit when he suggested the lack of line signings was part of a broader strategy the rest of us are too dumb to pick up on. This reminds me of an announcer during a UFC fight who said a guy getting his face pounded in was actually enacting an effective strategy to tire his opponent out. His partner had to point out that it's never "strategic" to get your ass handed to you.

I'm not saying this offseason is already lost or whatever. It's just started. But to suggest not coming away with 1-2 premier dline or oline people is all "part of a plan" sounds an awful lot like you can't see an ass beating for what it is.

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Pretty well said tbh



Tho, Poles did try to land impact guys on both lines early in FA -he just failed to land them.


It’s clear that this regime scouts, recruits, and goes after a ‘type’ rather than going after football players. I’m not going to say I agree, but it’s now clear at this point that this is how they’re going to build the team come hell or high water. We’ll see how it works out.

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Eddie Jackson is back to caring about football, and the Besrs back 6 or 7 on defense is better than it was when Poles was hired.

I don't disagree that the Bears have a lot of work to do on the defensive line and they NEED a RT. I've acknowledged that. I wanted Orlando Brown. I've never pushed back on that objective critique. I've pushed back on the idea that he's failed because he hasn't gotten that done in his first calendar year on the job. I've also pushed back on you and dolphin saying he hasn't done anything except tear the roster down.

Even if you had to roll the clueless Borom out there at RT, I think this is still a legitimate NFL offense that should be able to score points. The defense is a couple of NFL linemen and probably a corner away from being competent.

Poles has improved the overall roster and put the Bears in position for future success. I don't know if his moves will work long-term, but I see no reason to lose patience now.

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Finally watched the Poles presser, it was on something they are calling"Football Night" on our beloved regional sports network.

He definitely has the green light to do a long slow roster build, pretty much said that he had a long term plan and that not every position group could be fixed in one offseason, and he was quite honest about several position group not being that good.

He also said but he didn't say that he would be trading up and down in the draft. Will he get lucky again and have someone drop to nine that a team is willing to give you a few picks to move up and grab an extra 2nd, or package the third and one of the extra 4th/5th round picks to get an extra 2nd rounder?

I know some of the posters do not really keep up with things and that is understandable, but when the guys that know talk about Whitehair they say he is best at guard, really do not think they would pay him what they are paying him to move to center when they can bring in a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round for far less money. Seems you could let Borom, Jenkins, and Leatherwood battle it out for a guard slot and draft a center and RT.

Yeah, I would be shocked if Whitehair was a Bear when the season starts. I thought they may look for a replacement for Jackson too.

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I think that talk of Whitehair to center is just a back up plan in case things do not go the way they want.

Ideally they get a starting center with one of their 2nd round picks and he is solid from day 1.

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Gonna ignore the fact that your in town stupid and do not read stuff from other markets about the players.

Do yourself a favor and read or watch some coaching videos on YouTube, or maybe go watch a practice with someone that knows a bit about football, not don't be a goof and watch the skill position guys, watch the lineman and ask the dude that actually knows something about line play to explain what you are seeing so you can have a more informed opinion.

Until then rely on me to give you what you need, and I will give you a hint, watch/read something on the zone run concepts, watch what the lineman need to do and how they need to move their feet, it will make you sound a bit smarter.

Your welcome!

They want a mobile guy that can make that reach block and get to the second level, the Ohio State kid is mobile, but maybe a bit on the small side, decent fit for the system.

https://weeklyspiral.com/2021/05/31/outside-zone/

That's fine - if he swung and miss, just say that. Instead you got radio guys trying to paint swings and misses as some sort of "strategy." It's not even like drinking the kool-aid it's actually manufacturing it. Just say your boy tried to sign so and so and failed, don't say "hmm, it appears Poles is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers." No he's not, dumbass.

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Even if you really like a drafted center you cannot go into training camp without a safety net.

Whitehair is, essentially, on a one year contract and their are no current salary constraints. He can back up every position on the OL but has close to 100 starts specifically across the interior. I don't see any reason to cut him. You may find a cheaper backup but you won't find one better. Obviously you think differently if they start to get up against the cap but they are closer to the floor right now.
You'll be happy you did when Jenkins gets hurt again

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That was for my boy NME, time that boy got himself a little book learnin'

You can try a smaller guy at center, but he must be strong enough and fundamentally sound enough to square up with the biggin' most teams trot out at DT.

We had one kid back in my coaching days that fit this description, was a coaches son, not real big, but got stronger in the weight room, ended up playing small school college ball, he used to ask me if I saw tells in the DT alignment, a smart kid that understood leverage.

You're probably right. I just think there is another opportunity to "splurge" and I don't want to see Whitehair getting bowled over like Mustipher. Whitehair was a liability last season. I'm not sure if he was injured, but he was getting his ass kicked.

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The Bengals line was notoriously terrible, no? I don’t know this guy specifically but ‘I played with Joe Burrow’ doesn’t seem effective when Burrow’s been hit like 800 times in the past two years.

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You go in with a rookie and have Patrick and Kramer as your backups.

I’ve never commented on the Whitehair situation. I’ve stated several times throughout this thread that I think the draft is the way to go at center -Schmitz is my guy. If you have criticism of that, by all means have at it. But trying to attach my name to commentary I haven’t made is desperate on your end.


As for your other drivel in the post above that? Just long winded deflection, nothing more. Pretty much what I expected out of you. ‘Go watch all these YouTube guys that have all these opinions and say a bunch of stuff’ .. yeah, that’s not what this is about. This is about you stating people didn’t know what they are talking about because ‘the rest of the league’ says Brown is valued as an RT, and that we’re all dumb because ‘people that do this for a living’ are saying so..


..meanwhile, people that do it for a living had him playing at LT in KC, and people that do it for a living signed him to be the LT in Cincinnati.


Now, if you care to directly address those comments, again, have at it. But if you want to keep playing hot potato with your dumbass takes on things I haven’t actually said, then get ready for more responses like this one calling it what it is.

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I can agree with this for the most part. I mean, by them going after McGlinchy to seal up RT and Jones to address DT it at least points to ‘their plan’ being to address those needs in FA 1st, not the draft.


That said, there should always be a plan B, let’s see what it is.

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I was warned your nothing more than a hapless troll, but seems you either do not have google, or do not possess the intellectual capital needed to enter the search terms "Orlando Brown RT" into a search engine, so here ya go bro.

Who was saying they say Brown as a RT....hmmm.. it was the Chiefs! That's right, the team he played for that saw him play! Wow, I really made that one up, I know some of you guys like to work the contrarian bit, but you just sound silly sometimes.

Once again, your welcome for the knowledge. Feel free to message me if you need help forming thoughts in the future, will be glad to suggest how to to use the scary old internet to find resources.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... er=ya4nbcs

Let me get this straight, all this bullshit posturing over who needs to go watch film and listen to the experts and your source is.. Adam Schefter? Have I got that right? Because no where in that article you just posted is there sourced evidence directly from the Chiefs quoted saying they like him as an RT, not an LT, Corky.


The Chiefs, who played him at LT. Cincy who has apparently signed him to be their next LT. but the article you posted here which parrots dumb talking points without actual sources is your mic drop. Ok, you really got me on this one.


I’ve never paid much attention to you as a poster, and after these couple of pointless exchanges I can see I’m not missing out on much. So far all I’ve learned about you is that you’re inconsistent at best with the ‘quote’ function here, you don’t seem to know the difference between ‘your’ and ‘you’re’, and you seem to be completely comfortable critiquing other people’s thoughts on football based on what other people tell you to think about football.

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Okay, let's break out the crayons for clawndergartner:

You are = you're
Your = possessive

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whats the genesis of the clawmaster nme beef

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He thinks anyone who doesn’t believe Adam Schefter claiming ‘the league’ views Orlando Brown Jr is a RT and not a LT is wrong for not agreeing.


So, I pointed out ‘the experts’ on KC who played him there, and the experts at Cincy think different.


He didn’t like me pointing that out so.. here we are

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Claw has a point. There wasn't a huge market for his services and he was ultimately paid less than free agent right tackles

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