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Fuck ESPN and Bleacher Report. Manu Ginobili? The gimmick guy? They're all wet behind the ears.


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Fuck ESPN and Bleacher Report. Manu Ginobili? The gimmick guy? They're all wet behind the ears.


so you don't have any list of your own that supports your view point?



And full disclosure, I f-ing hate D Wade. Killing me that I have to argue on his behalf, but you guys are so ignorant on this I couldn't help myself.

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The "GOAT" isn't a really thing. But if it is, everyone knows LeBron is the GOAT unless you're a Bulls fan.


that's categorically false.

Of course it is. And JORR knows this. But he loves spreading misinformation.

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Clearly? There's West, Jordan, Drexler, Kobe, and Miller. Even Harden's numbers are gaudy next to Wade but I wouldn't put him ahead of him.


please find a single expert that agrees with you. Wade is clearly behind MJ and Kobe, West if he counts as a 2G, but that's it. Everyone else is CLEARLY behind Wade.


No they don't..Oscar Robertson is considered a better 2 and so is Clyde Drexler.

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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:

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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:


It's all recency bias. Pretty soon Deadspin will start writing about how Zach Lavine is emerging as a top 4 guard all time and shakes will share that link here as indisputable evidence that he is indeed top 4.

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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:


threads like this remind me why i stopped posting in this section this year.

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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:


It's all recency bias. Pretty soon Deadspin will start writing about how Zach Lavine is emerging as a top 4 guard all time and shakes will share that link here as indisputable evidence that he is indeed top 4.

Nah thats dumb. Wade was much better than you are giving him credit for.

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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:


threads like this remind me why i stopped posting in this section this year.

Me too.

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1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. West
4. Clyde
5. Wade

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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:


It's all recency bias. Pretty soon Deadspin will start writing about how Zach Lavine is emerging as a top 4 guard all time and shakes will share that link here as indisputable evidence that he is indeed top 4.

Nah thats dumb. Wade was much better than you are giving him credit for.


I've never really stated my position on Wade. I'd take Kobe and Jordan over him. I didn't see West, Monro, Drexler, etc play so won't comment on them.

Miller had more success than wade when both were indisputable alphas. That makes them closer than you might think in my view. In a vacuum I'm probably drafting wade over miller due to the latter's athleticism. But I'd have to think about it.

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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:


It's all recency bias. Pretty soon Deadspin will start writing about how Zach Lavine is emerging as a top 4 guard all time and shakes will share that link here as indisputable evidence that he is indeed top 4.

Nah thats dumb. Wade was much better than you are giving him credit for.


yep. I get it though. I was surprised when I found out how highly WAde was rated. I didn't realize he was considered better than all those players listed in this thread. But then I actually did a little research and it becomes pretty obvious pretty quickly. There's literally 100s of articles all ranking Wade as a top 3-4 2G of all time.

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1. Jordan
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How could Robertson not be better than Wade? He averaged a triple double for his career.

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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:


It's all recency bias. Pretty soon Deadspin will start writing about how Zach Lavine is emerging as a top 4 guard all time and shakes will share that link here as indisputable evidence that he is indeed top 4.

Nah thats dumb. Wade was much better than you are giving him credit for.


I've never really stated my position on Wade. I'd take Kobe and Jordan over him. I didn't see West, Monro, Drexler, etc play so won't comment on them.

Miller had more success than wade when both were indisputable alphas. That makes them closer than you might think in my view. In a vacuum I'm probably drafting wade over miller due to the latter's athleticism. But I'd have to think about it.


What are you talking about??? Did Miller lead his team to an NBA title and earn Finals MVP and I just didn't notice???

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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:



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RFDC wrote:
1. Jordan
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How could Robertson not be better than Wade? He averaged a triple double for his career.


I dont really consider him at SG. He is a PG.

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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:


It's all recency bias. Pretty soon Deadspin will start writing about how Zach Lavine is emerging as a top 4 guard all time and shakes will share that link here as indisputable evidence that he is indeed top 4.

Nah thats dumb. Wade was much better than you are giving him credit for.


yep. I get it though. I was surprised when I found out how highly WAde was rated. I didn't realize he was considered better than all those players listed in this thread. But then I actually did a little research and it becomes pretty obvious pretty quickly. There's literally 100s of articles all ranking Wade as a top 3-4 2G of all time.


Thanks for helping high school bloggers get the views they need to jumpstart their careers as click bait producers.

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Miller had more success than wade when both were indisputable alphas.

:lol: what

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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:



Wrong.

He's the only person in the thread that sounds like they have watched an NBA game before.

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shakes wrote:
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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:


It's all recency bias. Pretty soon Deadspin will start writing about how Zach Lavine is emerging as a top 4 guard all time and shakes will share that link here as indisputable evidence that he is indeed top 4.

Nah thats dumb. Wade was much better than you are giving him credit for.


I've never really stated my position on Wade. I'd take Kobe and Jordan over him. I didn't see West, Monro, Drexler, etc play so won't comment on them.

Miller had more success than wade when both were indisputable alphas. That makes them closer than you might think in my view. In a vacuum I'm probably drafting wade over miller due to the latter's athleticism. But I'd have to think about it.


What are you talking about??? Did Miller lead his team to an NBA title and earn Finals MVP and I just didn't notice???


You guys are guilty of some serious revisionism if you think wade was the "indisputable alpha" of the 2004 team. If he was alpha why did they drop off so much after Shaq left? Be better.

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Fuck ESPN and Bleacher Report. Manu Ginobili? The gimmick guy? They're all wet behind the ears.


so you don't have any list of your own that supports your view point?



And full disclosure, I f-ing hate D Wade. Killing me that I have to argue on his behalf, but you guys are so ignorant on this I couldn't help myself.

I made a list of top 6. Wade is 6th.


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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:



Wrong.

He's the only person in the thread that sounds like they have watched an NBA game before.

:lol: there he is!

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shakes wrote:

https://hoopshype.com/lists/20-greatest-shooting-guards-ever-the-hoopshype-list/

-DWade #3. Clyde #7, Miller #8, none of those others you listed in top 20 either because they aren't 2Gs or they aren't good enough

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2852997-nba-all-time-player-rankings-top-10-shooting-guards

Once again DWade #3, Clyde #5, Reggie #7

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarankSGs/ranking-top-10-shooting-guards-ever

Big drop for Wade in this one all the way to #4 because they consider West a shooting guard and have him at #3

https://hoop-social.com/top-10-greatest-shooting-guards-in-nba-history/

Same as above with West at #3 and Wade at #4.


Those were the first 4 hits on Google.


Now show me your lists that have Wade barely making the top 10 or barely making the top 20.


You know who makes those lists? People who also think a man can be a woman and that Dua Lipa is the GOAT.

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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:



Wrong.

He's the only person in the thread that sounds like they have watched an NBA game before.

You could probably watch Steven hawking do quantum physics math every day for 15 years. Doesn't mean you'll understand it.

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You guys are guilty of some serious revisionism if you think wade was the "indisputable alpha" of the 2004 team. If he was alpha why did they drop off so much after Shaq left? Be better.

You mean the 2006 team, not 2004. And you are wrong. Shaq himself acknowledges that was Wade's team, and it was clear to anyone who watched basketball that year he was correct.

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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:



Wrong.

He's the only person in the thread that sounds like they have watched an NBA game before.

:lol: That didn't take long.


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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:



Wrong.

He's the only person in the thread that sounds like they have watched an NBA game before.



He sounds like he's watched over a specific twenty year span and is completely locked into that era. Sort of like Barkley. The NBA evolved to a peak when he and Mike played and has now declined with "soft" guys like Durant. It's bullshit. If you don't think Oscar Robertson was pounds better than Dwyane Wade, your opinion means ZERO.

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RFDC wrote:
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How could Robertson not be better than Wade? He averaged a triple double for his career.

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Outside of shakes, whole thread is filled with straight up abysmal takes :lol:



Wrong.

He's the only person in the thread that sounds like they have watched an NBA game before.



He sounds like he's watched over a specific twenty year span and is completely locked into that era. Sort of like Barkley. The NBA evolved to a peak when he and Mike played and has now declined with "soft" guys like Durant. It's bullshit. If you don't think Oscar Robertson was pounds better than Dwyane Wade, your opinion means ZERO.

I think Oscar was better than Wade. It seems like you think Oscar was a SG. He was not. He was a PG.

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You guys are guilty of some serious revisionism if you think wade was the "indisputable alpha" of the 2004 team. If he was alpha why did they drop off so much after Shaq left? Be better.

You mean the 2006 team, not 2004. And you are wrong. Shaq himself acknowledges that was Wade's team, and it was clear to anyone who watched basketball that year he was correct.



:lol: Yeah. I remember Shaq saying, "I'm just here to help Udonis." I'm sure he was completely sincere.

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