If the bulls didnt bring in rodman, jordan would not have got #4 that year and very likely would have went to LA or some shit. his legacy of loyalty to the bulls is money driven, nothing else.

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what? of course they brought him in bec it was about winning championships. any org would bring in someone who helps you win. Again BRING'S IN - DOESN'T LEAVE.

And Jordan doesn't leave. You're mistaking him for LeBrong.

And Legacy is money driven? So Lebron does this shit all for free?

You're talking like the past is some myth instead of actually happening.

If this if that

I thought you were one of those smart LeBron fans but I guess you're not. Just throwing shit up there and see's what sticks to make your excuses. sad. I cannot take any of your basketball takes seriously now. You seem to be filled with rage and hate that LeBron isn't the unanimous greatest by all entire basketball community - NBA HOFs and Legends and fans.

Nothing wrong with being #2.

That rumor has been going around all season. Seems a smart thing to do.

At this stage he needs to be the #3 not the #1. NY doesn't make sense from that perspective to me.

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Not a Lebron fan at all. But I do hope he is able to play a year with his son. That would be a really cool thing.

When is last time the sporting world has seen that? Griffey Sr/Jr?

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There’s no way he’s going to accept that

This seems ridiculous. You don't think he'd accept being the #2 or #3 playmaker/scorer on a team? You don't think LeBron would be ecstatic with a Kyrie upgrade over Russell (averaged 6 points in the WCF) or Schroder (averaged 7 points in the WCF)? There'd be no question who the #1 scorer/playmaker is if Kyrie went to Los Angeles.

i think he'd be happy with upgrades as long as he was clearly the #1 still


also i hope this puts to bed that DAngelo Russell is any good at all

I don't think he was clearly the #1 on his team in these playoffs. That was evident in Game 4 of the WCF or Game 6 of the WCSF, sure -- but Davis, when he's on, is their #1. I just don't think he wants to be the #1 at age 39.

do you think in a couple years he'll agree to be a 6th man for some team ?

I want to see him play the Robert Chief role and be the 12th man at like age 45.

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I think it's a fundamental misreading of LeBron to assume he won't be down with being #3. His game is more skewed toward being a facilitator than the guy making buckets the whole time.

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sure, but it's more about ego

And the man is 39 years old . Certainly he understands that given his injuries the last few seasons. I know Anthony Davis sometimes underwhelms, but that's the entire reason they traded for him -- so Davis could be the #1 option.

The problem is on a team with LeBron the third best player gets blamed if they lose and the best player gets the credit if they win.

Would he be able to handle being Bosh/Love/Westbrook'd to save the team's superstar from criticism?

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again... i dont think anyone would have bet lebron would have been the best player on the lakers this post season. what he did should be recognized.

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are you his PR guy or something ?

I don't see his ego the same way you all do. I want to say he acknowledged at some point that this is Davis' team to carry. I don't think he's as egotistical as you're making him out to be, at least during the last 2-3 years.

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Even Davis gets blamed for the losses but not the wins but normally the second best player with LeBron is treated more with "He did alright but not enough to overcome Bosh/Love/Westbrook failing to deliver". Wade, Kyrie, and Davis only got minor criticism.

It's just a very interesting pattern. The third best player with LeBron always fails him.

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Sorry not following. I think when you look at lebron's losses in the finals for example he's received valid criticism for losing in Miami. In Cleveland they lost Love in one series and predictably lost then overcame all odds to win the next season against the 73 win warriors. Then they lost again to a superior warriors plus Durant team. Not sure if there's any blame on the Cleveland losses - they lost one finals due to injury and another one to a stacked superteam. Big picture wise he's facing valid criticism for the 4-7 record or whatever it is but it's muted by getting to the finals 11 times or whatever it might be.

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Street Clothes was solid against the Warriors every other game. He was mostly a liability against the Nuggets. It was embarrassing to watch.

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Here is the script:

Lebron's team wins a title: LeBron gets a majority of the credit.
Lebron's team doesn't win a title: Someone else(Bosh/Love/Westbrook) didn't do enough to help him. The second best player gets some of the blame but most falls to the third best player.

I'll also point out that you personally bash Kyrie Irving all the time simply because he dared to not want to play with LeBron but that is kind of a different point.

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I think he rightly gets credit when they win...he's the Jordan. Why is that wrong? Wherever lebron goes they win a title...Miami, returning to Cleveland, and LA. In other words, there's a correlation between LeBron being on your team and your team winning a title. Bosh and Wade didn't win titles once lebron left. Irving and love didn't win titles once LeBron left. Etc. Therefore, he rightly gets credits
because he is the driver of your team getting a ring.

I think we differ on the blame. They were never going to beat the Durant warriors. I said he rightly gets blame for Miami losses. This year, at 39 years old, I don't see how he gets the blame. Davis needs to step up plus the roster wasn't as good as it needed to be - that's why they made major midseason trades.

Me bashing Irving is separate, you're right. He thought he could be alpha without lebron but - as I predicted - he was wrong. He's done jack shit since abandoning LeBron.

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Wade won a title without LeBron. However, the way LeBron uses his influence at his current team also destroys much of the future of the place he is at in the attempts to go for the thing that makes them the best in the short term. Are you really going to blame Kevin Love for not winning another title with the Cavs?

Outside of a generic blame for the two losses in Miami you seem to be agreeing with my point that he gets the credit but not the blame.

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Wade never achieved anything on his own after LeBron left. And once Shaq declined Wade also never won anything. I've went over this with FF a ton - look at Wade's performance after Shaq left, those teams sucked. The 2023 Bulls were better. Anyway, the larger point is LeBron is the driver of success - once he leaves, teams recede back to mediocrity.


I don't understand your point about short-term and long-term. If you employ James then you're a win-now team. This is like Gute trying to prioritize the "future" when he has MVP Rodgers at 37 years old on the roster. To James' credit, he's delivered the "win" part of win-now at each stop he's been at. Are you saying you'd rather have a chance at a title at some point in the future instead of a title right now and here?

You can't dismiss me explicitly blaming James and then say I don't blame James? I'll say it again, James should have won more in Miami. They got beat by better teams in Cleveland, that's objective. If you want to blame James for an up and down tenure in LA then I won't blame you. Him being blamed plus the roster being underwhelming can be true at the same time.

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You are doing a terrible job of countering the "When LeBron wins it is because of him and when he loses it is because of others" argument I am making. Even Wade winning a title without LeBron doesn't count because Wade didn't win a title after LeBron left too.

I'm saying it is pointless to point out that LeBron's teams weren't great after he left when the reason they weren't great after he left was that they did everything they could to win at the current time at the expense of what would happen after. It's like saying the Bulls were terrible after Jordan left.

You just hand waved away that Wade won a title in Miami because he didn't win more titles after James left. I think it's pretty clear that you are doing exactly what I am describing.

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Have you considered that maybe it's because your argument sucks?

I can only assume you are also critical of the Rams' Super Bowl win because going all out for the title in 2022 meant they would suck in 2023. If only they skipped out on an actual title in 2022 for hypothetical titles in 2023 and beyond. This is also what J Hood suggested, so at least you've got that going

Every city - Miami, Cleveland, LA - would happily take the titles they've actually won. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the Bulls title run because it meant they sucked ass in 1999.

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I'm not being critical of it. I'm pointing out the flaw in pointing to the results of the team after the championship run is over as having anything to do with any of the players that played on that team.

It's smart to go all in to win a title but the cost is your team is often bad afterwards. You citing that the Cavs, Heat, Cavs, and likely the Lakers will struggle post-LeBron doesn't really mean much given the whole goal was to win now and not after.

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