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The concept of an invasive species is both ecosystem-centric and anthropocentric.


If that's all you have to say, I'll take it as a victory. :lol:


I'm not sure what you mean. Surely you above all others here appreciate the need to manage ecosystems so that we continue to reap the benefits from them that allow MANY to maintain their standard of living. Sustaining ecosystem function is central to this where forests are concerned.


I was just fucking with you.

But seriously, I do consider myself an environmentalist who cares about the only planet we have. That's vastly different than being a proponent of Climate Change which I see as a pseudoscientific quasi-religious movement to enrich a few and impoverish many,

It seems to me that most Climate Change proponents believe man himself is an invasive species and that The Planet would be much better off without him. That's why so many of them promote the idea of refusing to procreate. In that case, for whom are they "saving" The Planet? Future generations of dung beetles?

I think we should be much more concerned with plastic bottles and surgical masks choking our waterways than worried about what type of vehicle SUV Rick is driving.

And as far as "managing ecosystems" is concerned, it seems man fucks that up as often as not, e.g. the introduction of cane toads to Australia and the creation of Bill Gates's GMO mosquitoes.


Well, if your answer is to "do nothing" in the face of threats like invasive insects and plants or diseases, then you are effectively arguing for the same approach as the "pseudoscientific" environmentalists who hate humanity. Like you, they see natural resource management as a questionable endeavor that yields limited, if any, benefits. It's certainly true that management efforts across the globe have a checkered history. In the 1930s and 40s, for instance, Roosevelt's Conservation Corps ditched New England salt marshes--vital habitats for all kinds of important fish/wildlife and remarkably effective buffers against sea level rise--to drain them and control mosquito populations. While this strategy was effective, it also killed off vast swaths of marsh land due to the pooling and interior rot it caused. Today, though, wetland managers have discovered that a variation on a ditching technique called runneling can actually be used both to control mosquitos AND revitalize degraded marsh areas, thereby reversing the environmental damage caused by ditching and sea level rise.

So yeah, it's true that human management has caused unintended problems in many areas, including natural resources. But it's also true that a managed approach can lead to important breakthroughs at times when we need them most. You can side with the cynical and cowardly do-nothing fatalists if you like, an approach that is guaranteed to result in an accelerated depletion of natural resources (and will thereby yield negative economic impacts such as fishery degradation and declining timber production in the case of forests). I prefer a different approach. It may be flawed, but at least it's not giving up.

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I don't think screaming "DO SOMETHING!" makes one a good person. We're seeing the results of that method in the COVID panic that has destroyed society and caused countless deaths. And we're just getting started.

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I don't think screaming "DO SOMETHING!" makes one a good person.
What does embedding goofy tweets and posting conspiracy theories make you?

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I don't think screaming "DO SOMETHING!" makes one a good person.
What does embedding goofy tweets and posting conspiracy theories make you?

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But he's not just posting, he's rallying people together!

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I don't think screaming "DO SOMETHING!" makes one a good person. We're seeing the results of that method in the COVID panic that has destroyed society and caused countless deaths. And we're just getting started.


There's a much greater range of widely available and reliable knowledge about resource management issues than there was about the COVID outbreak, the origin of which was shrouded in secrecy, disinformation and misinformation to protect the ruling class. Your attempt to draw a parallel between these two topics doesn't really make sense. Advocating for informed resource management may not make me a good person, but adopting a position of disingenuous cynicism doesn't make you a knowledgable one.

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I just want to know if the COVID lab leak was due to a woman. Apparently the Canada fires were the womens fire department trying to do a controlled burn.

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I just want to know if the COVID lab leak was due to a woman. Apparently the Canada fires were the womens fire department trying to do a controlled burn.


Biological women are responsible for nearly every awful thing that has happened in the history of the world.

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Yea but I like their sex so it pretty much evens out

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so when is this gonna end ? isn't everything there burnt down yet ?


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Tall Midget wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
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The concept of an invasive species is both ecosystem-centric and anthropocentric.


If that's all you have to say, I'll take it as a victory. :lol:


I'm not sure what you mean. Surely you above all others here appreciate the need to manage ecosystems so that we continue to reap the benefits from them that allow MANY to maintain their standard of living. Sustaining ecosystem function is central to this where forests are concerned.


I was just fucking with you.

But seriously, I do consider myself an environmentalist who cares about the only planet we have. That's vastly different than being a proponent of Climate Change which I see as a pseudoscientific quasi-religious movement to enrich a few and impoverish many,

It seems to me that most Climate Change proponents believe man himself is an invasive species and that The Planet would be much better off without him. That's why so many of them promote the idea of refusing to procreate. In that case, for whom are they "saving" The Planet? Future generations of dung beetles?

I think we should be much more concerned with plastic bottles and surgical masks choking our waterways than worried about what type of vehicle SUV Rick is driving.

And as far as "managing ecosystems" is concerned, it seems man fucks that up as often as not, e.g. the introduction of cane toads to Australia and the creation of Bill Gates's GMO mosquitoes.


So yeah, it's true that human management has caused unintended problems in many areas, including natural resources. But it's also true that a managed approach can lead to important breakthroughs at times when we need them most. You can side with the cynical and cowardly do-nothing fatalists if you like, an approach that is guaranteed to result in an accelerated depletion of natural resources (and will thereby yield negative economic impacts such as fishery degradation and declining timber production in the case of forests). I prefer a different approach. It may be flawed, but at least it's not giving up.


Not giving up saved the world from another Ice Age in the 80's and the Ozone in the 90's. Global warming in the 00's. Fixed the energy crisis in the 10's and survived the worst pandemic since the black plague! in 20's I'm not giving up. Have complete faith in my government and elected officials. Surely, they have my best interest in mind when making these life changing decisions.


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so when is this gonna end ? isn't everything there burnt down yet ?


One could only wish. Apparently it can do this all summer. I don't even know why they're trying to put it out at this point. The whole country is on fire and that's what we want anyway.

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so an entire summer of smoke in exchange for Canada being eliminated ? that's a tough one.


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What's even worse all the firefighters have been fired....blackface.


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so when is this gonna end ? isn't everything there burnt down yet ?

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Juiced wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The concept of an invasive species is both ecosystem-centric and anthropocentric.


If that's all you have to say, I'll take it as a victory. :lol:


I'm not sure what you mean. Surely you above all others here appreciate the need to manage ecosystems so that we continue to reap the benefits from them that allow MANY to maintain their standard of living. Sustaining ecosystem function is central to this where forests are concerned.


I was just fucking with you.

But seriously, I do consider myself an environmentalist who cares about the only planet we have. That's vastly different than being a proponent of Climate Change which I see as a pseudoscientific quasi-religious movement to enrich a few and impoverish many,

It seems to me that most Climate Change proponents believe man himself is an invasive species and that The Planet would be much better off without him. That's why so many of them promote the idea of refusing to procreate. In that case, for whom are they "saving" The Planet? Future generations of dung beetles?

I think we should be much more concerned with plastic bottles and surgical masks choking our waterways than worried about what type of vehicle SUV Rick is driving.

And as far as "managing ecosystems" is concerned, it seems man fucks that up as often as not, e.g. the introduction of cane toads to Australia and the creation of Bill Gates's GMO mosquitoes.


So yeah, it's true that human management has caused unintended problems in many areas, including natural resources. But it's also true that a managed approach can lead to important breakthroughs at times when we need them most. You can side with the cynical and cowardly do-nothing fatalists if you like, an approach that is guaranteed to result in an accelerated depletion of natural resources (and will thereby yield negative economic impacts such as fishery degradation and declining timber production in the case of forests). I prefer a different approach. It may be flawed, but at least it's not giving up.


Not giving up saved the world from another Ice Age in the 80's and the Ozone in the 90's. Global warming in the 00's. Fixed the energy crisis in the 10's and survived the worst pandemic since the black plague! in 20's I'm not giving up. Have complete faith in my government and elected officials. Surely, they have my best interest in mind when making these life changing decisions.


I don't think you understand the concept of resource management. But thanks for random thoughts from the lunatic fringe.

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How much longer are we going to tolerate these deliberate violations of our borders/airspace/health and well-being? I guarantee this was set in motion by those Chiner balloons from a few months back. Only now activating their burn it all down systems months later. #NukeChinaNow


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Tall Midget wrote:
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So yeah, it's true that human management has caused unintended problems in many areas, including natural resources. But it's also true that a managed approach can lead to important breakthroughs at times when we need them most. You can side with the cynical and cowardly do-nothing fatalists if you like, an approach that is guaranteed to result in an accelerated depletion of natural resources (and will thereby yield negative economic impacts such as fishery degradation and declining timber production in the case of forests). I prefer a different approach. It may be flawed, but at least it's not giving up.


Not giving up saved the world from another Ice Age in the 80's and the Ozone in the 90's. Global warming in the 00's. Fixed the energy crisis in the 10's and survived the worst pandemic since the black plague! in 20's I'm not giving up. Have complete faith in my government and elected officials. Surely, they have my best interest in mind when making these life changing decisions.


I don't think you understand the concept of resource management. But thanks for random thoughts from the lunatic fringe.


You're concerned about the forest and fish in the sea. Who has the power to stop the depletion of natural resources? Smokey The Bear and Arial?


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Beach Fossils- Burn You Down
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Warren Zevon Stand in the Fire

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This is a human intervention that should work out well.


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This is a human intervention that should work out well.



This was covered in the politics section. Mods, please delete.

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The funny thing is that people are responding to this idea unironically the same way they respond to environmental measures like increasing the use of solar and wind power.

Blocking the sun. What a dumb idea!
Solar panels. What a dumb idea!
Forcing gas powered cars to improve efficiency. What a dumb idea!

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The funny thing is that people are responding to this idea unironically the same way they respond to environmental measures like increasing the use of solar and wind power.

Blocking the sun. What a dumb idea!
Solar panels. What a dumb idea!
Forcing gas powered cars to improve efficiency. What a dumb idea!



Good comparison since all of those things do more harm than good. They do make a lot of first cousins really wealthy though.

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Getting more miles per gallon in cars does more harm than good?

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