Did he say that?

Glad you asked, Jerry commented on both:

- minors: said Getz had no control over player acquisition but he’s teaching the game better than anybody reinsdorf has seen

- money: said Sox spend a ton of money and that’s not been an issue

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They don't spend a ton, but they do spend. They just spend very poorly.

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Yes, when challenged on spending.

Everybody knows it’s the case but chuckling about spending efficiently in a presser that has you explaining why you suck is annoying. In the same answer, he reiterated they won’t be signing long term contracts for pitchers.

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Why have Machado when you can have 8 minor leagues for less money?

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The White Sox do spend enough to have a better result, but, if they don't produce players from the minors (which they haven't), wouldn't they need to spend more (at least short-term) to supplement the MLB roster IF he wants to compete next season?

Assuming Clevinger is not retained, they are at least 3 starters short and most of a bullpen. Offensively, they will probably use the catchers they traded for, but still need to drastically shakeup the offense because it hasn't produced and many of the players can't stay on the field. They may not be able to replace many of them, but they do need to make upgrades to the talent, probably bring in at least another OF, another 3B/SS option who can actually play.

If they won't give long term deals on pitchers, what type of quality are they expecting to have? Especially in the current rotation where Cease, Clevinger (probably won't be back) and Kopech (not dependable) are the only starters they have.

Seems like it will be challenging to say you want to turn things around quickly, but won't spend on the starting rotation.

Also, if you're not willing to spend on starting pitching, Dylan Cease probably needs to be moved this off-season.

There’s no path.

They’d have to get extremely lucky across the entire pitching staff and have a few of the Island Boys play well in the same year. Then TA has to bounce back, they need a catcher, and then they need like 4 more position players.

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Spiegel and Shane going in on the same theme.

Paraphrasing here, but spiegel insisted the 2021 team massively underachieved, which is aggressively, aggressively stupid from a baseball guy.

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I think history has proven that his stance on pitchers is correct though.

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How many teams are legitimately competitive without signing pitchers to big contracts?

The Rays? Maybe the Braves?

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There are exceptions though (recently Scherzer, Verlander, Kershaw, Lester, etc)

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Giants were
Royals were
Cubs outside of Lester but he was great for them the first few years of his deal
Astros
Mariners

Maybe the better question to ask is what teams ARE legitimately competitive after spending $200+ million on a starting pitcher.
The Mets traded theirs and the Yankees are in last place.

Sox also have spend a ton of bad money on their bullpen over the years.

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I don't think it's smart to spend 5, 6, 7 + years on really any player. As much as people like Bernstein want every team to spend like their favorite Democrat, it's not realistic to believe that teams don't have budgets.

As much as the White Sox are probably right, in most cases, that giving long-term contracts w/big money to many of these free agents, you also can't go into a season with a bunch of borderline end-of rotation starters, guys coming off injury or have something to prove. Yes, you can hit on a player like that, but depending on too many of them isn't going to be sustainable. Overall, the White Sox probably hit on Clevinger this season, but I don't think that trying to find 3 similar reclamation type projects while you're also publicly stating that you can turn this around quickly is a consistent message.

If they aren't developing pitchers, they have to get them via trade or free agency.

If they are trying to compete next season, they may actually bring Clevinger back. A rotation with #1 Cease #2 TBD #3 Clevinger #4 Kopech #5 TBD can at least do another 1 year deal on a starter and try (probably trade?) to bring in another legitimate starter.

Perhaps Cease is moved for 3 very good prospects and 2 of them are pitchers who can be expected to contribute in 2024. That's more of a long-shot though if competition is the goal.

Giants: Bumgarner, Cueto, Zito and Cain all had long and/or expensive deals
Royals: ok
Astros: Verlander, Greinke
Mariners: not exactly competitive, but Robbie Ray

If the Sox were willing to sign guys to huge money, short term deals, maybe that’d work. But they can’t develop great pitching and refuse to pay the market rate for it.

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Great, Chris Getz wants to teach baseball.... But he hasn't.

Fantastic, we want high baseball IQ.... Eddie Stanky and David Eckstein types.....WRONG!!! This is 2023. Talent BY FAR should be the overriding theme. I've been harping all year about terrible baseball throughout MLB. But I'm not stupid. Stanky and Eckstein would get destroyed today.

Which leads me to, Chris Getz wants to teach baseball.....But he hasn't.

Reinsdorf also threatened Sox fans by noting he’d “only” be around for another 10 years.

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Agreed. Reinsdorf's axiom that "you win more games by not losing them than by winning them" sounds nice but is not reality.

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Getz may suck but he wouldn’t be the first employee prevented from doing things his way until his bosses were fired.

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Elections have consequences.

You are assuming that they exercise TA's option and keep him. I strongly doubt that TA will be on the opening day roster.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

The Sox have had that "no long term contracts for pitchers" rule for decades. I think Buehrle's four year deal might be the longest one they ever handed out. They've actually done a decent job of developing starting pitching through the years and I suspect they plan on continuing to rely on young and controllable pitchers and trades for Lance Lynn or Freddy Garcia type guys they can extend. Also, there's no reason not to bring TA back. You can let him walk for nothing or spend a little bit of money (Grandal and Lynn are off the books) and hope to get something out of him or something for him.

I didn't watch the press conference, but based on the posts here, this appears to be the PR stunt (rather than true and meaningful change) that we all feared.

I think they will exercise the option on TA and then trade him. Trading him before the season starts means that the acquiring team can slap a QO on him if he has a good year. And it's not like the White Sox are going to be a playoff team in 2024.

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Reinsdorf was just a fan who thought he knew more than the professionals.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

NPC Getz. That's my impression. Full of piss and vinegar, but he didn't say one thing that wasn't canned. Not one original thought. He probably went to the library and checked out the "The Tampa Rays: How we do it".

MANNY are wondering that.

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They would be selling low if they did that. The QO angle is not so attractive that another team would give you more because it has that option. Their best bet is to pick up the option, hope he does well, and then either enjoy his play or flip him at the deadline.

I’d agree with that. He’s been a great hitter most of his career; I wouldn’t dump the guy after a bad year when he’s at a personal/professional low.

That said, trading him may be tough unless he’s willing to move positions. It’s tough to be a good team and have somebody with his defensive limitations playing a premium position.

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i mean the Padres are killing it

Manny Machado, Clubhouse Cancer

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